Melatonin overdose = 9-10 mg. per NP Re: Re: Aggression

[Guest guest]

No;but she is gone now from UM and when there did much clinical research on supplements; the CFIDS people there recommend quite a few of them in a protocol with apparent success, unusual for a hard science university, yet dismiss LD to the netherworlds, at least mine.To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Sent: Thu, May 12,

2011 1:02:58 PMSubject: Melatonin overdose = 9-10 mg. per NP Re: Re: Aggression

Thanks for this post Jeanette. It was actually my daughter's developmental pediatrician who recommended the high dose of melatonin. He insisted it is totally benign no matter how high you go - so I will call him on this and see what he says. Did the nurse mention any studies/literature re chemo effect of high dose melatonin?

Kim

>

> I was told by a nurse practitioner at the University that a 9-10 mg. dose of

> melatonin begins to affect the body as a type of "chemotherapy," her word, and

> she indicated going this high was dangerous.

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

> Sent: Wed, May 11, 2011 4:57:18 PM

> Subject: Re: Aggression

>

>

> My kids can definitely not make it without at least turmeric. We got a

> small amount of die-off from turmeric and ginger root the first few days.

> We worked up to 1 to 4 capsules of turmeric twice a day. Too small amount

> was not noticed. Ginger root, I never did more than one pill twice a day.

> It just seemed strong. For my kids, most could only do 1/2 capsule a day

> because of it's strength. It tends to really thin the blood. A lot of

> things say they thin the blood, but we never noticed anything doing that,

> except for ginger root. I would focus on mopping up with alginates or

> things for ammonia and anti-inflammatory types of things and also things to

> help with liver and digestion. Then they can handle the daily toxins, the

> toxins from the pathogen load and the extra dead pathogens that you will be

> creating. It's the inflammation and toxins that cause they symptoms. The

> pathogens do cause the inflammation and toxins, though.

>

>

> We only use Mellatonin at night, and just 1 to 3mg. If they wake up too

> early or dream too much, we lower the dose. If there is a headache or bad

> die-off, we raise the dose.

>

>

> Love and prayers,

>

> Heidi N

>

>

>

> How much curcumin and ginger root to you give your child? Do you give it at

> meal time or prior to? Is there any die-off with curcumin?

> We do use melatonin - 9 mg at bedtime to help her sleep... didn't know

> melatonin is also helpful with inflammation. How much do you use and how

> many times per day?

>

> No, we are not doing enough treatment for ANYTHING right now. Trying to put

> out the fire and resorting to calming supps before I start back at treating

> chronic bacterial/fungal/

>

> viral issues. As I mentioned in another post, I am totally burnt out -

> beyond burnt out.

>

>

> Kim

>

[Guest guest]

And all biochem needs fluctuate according to environmental stuff, internal and external, time of day, age, toxicity, methylation ability, etc. Scary and boring and tedious all at the same time.To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 1:22:33 PMSubject:

Melatonin overdose = 9-10 mg. per NP Re: Re: Aggression

Hi Kim and Jeanette,

This is another one of those things that is contradictory depending on the doc. My DAN says melatonin is a good thing in higher dose, especially before bed time. He takes it himself. It helps the immune system apparently. Dr. Balsh (Prescription for Nutritional Healing author) who has written several books and whose wife is a nutritionist/herbalist also advocates in his more recent book melatonin and its safety. However, other doctors, like Dr. Goldberg, say melatonin is a no-no except for intermitent use, and think he likens it to a sleeping pill.

It is very confusing, to say the least. I haven't done a google search on melatonin, but maybe someone will venture into that foray.

When I was weaning my child off of the powerful (heavy) prescription psychotropics, our doc and I put her on, among other things, 3 mg melatonin 4x/day (total of 12 mg/day). To me, it was a no-brainer. I am just now starting to wean it down to see how she does.

I guess with anything you consider giving, whether it is a medication or supplement, you have to weigh the risk vs. the benefit. Even supplements are not totally benign.

Hope this helps some.

Sara

> >

> > I was told by a nurse practitioner at the University that a 9-10 mg. dose of

> > melatonin begins to affect the body as a type of "chemotherapy," her word, and

> > she indicated going this high was dangerous.

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: "fight4thekids@" <fight4thekids@>

> > To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

> > Sent: Wed, May 11, 2011 4:57:18 PM

> > Subject: Re: Aggression

> >

> >

> > My kids can definitely not make it without at least turmeric. We got a

> > small amount of die-off from turmeric and ginger root the first few days.

> > We worked up to 1 to 4 capsules of turmeric twice a day. Too small amount

> > was not noticed. Ginger root, I never did more than one pill twice a day.

> > It just seemed strong. For my kids, most could only do 1/2 capsule a day

> > because of it's strength. It tends to really thin the blood. A lot of

> > things say they thin the blood, but we never noticed anything doing that,

> > except for ginger root. I would focus on mopping up with alginates or

> > things for ammonia and anti-inflammatory types of things and also things to

> > help with liver and digestion. Then they can handle the daily toxins, the

> > toxins from the pathogen load and the extra dead pathogens that you will be

> > creating. It's the inflammation and toxins that cause they symptoms. The

> > pathogens do cause the inflammation and toxins, though.

> >

> >

> > We only use Mellatonin at night, and just 1 to 3mg. If they wake up too

> > early or dream too much, we lower the dose. If there is a headache or bad

> > die-off, we raise the dose.

> >

> >

> > Love and prayers,

> >

> > Heidi N

> >

> >

> >

> > How much curcumin and ginger root to you give your child? Do you give it at

> > meal time or prior to? Is there any die-off with curcumin?

> > We do use melatonin - 9 mg at bedtime to help her sleep... didn't know

> > melatonin is also helpful with inflammation. How much do you use and how

> > many times per day?

> >

> > No, we are not doing enough treatment for ANYTHING right now. Trying to put

> > out the fire and resorting to calming supps before I start back at treating

> > chronic bacterial/fungal/

> >

> > viral issues. As I mentioned in another post, I am totally burnt out -

> > beyond burnt out.

> >

> >

> > Kim

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Because most people and docs think inside the box; some really want to help but the cases have already become too complex for them; think that everything is what they were taught in dummy brainwashing school; are not working both halves and 99.9% of their brains; are brainwashed with money or power comfort or all three and are terrified of losing these and their grant money, luxuries; do not keep up with latest research (check out all the stuff on Trevor Marshall if you want cutting edge); too lazy; do not care (no compassion, just ego and narcissism); are motivated mostly by what their peers will think if they step out of line or think outside the box... Do not accept biochemical and Soul uniqueness and mission and are asleep and like it that way. So, with this low level

of consciousness, folks of opposing opinions often do not work together and cooperate for a richer knowledge base to serve the greater good. But more and more people/docs do; people must swim upstream to find what works for them and figure out how to afford it.To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Sent: Sat, May 14, 2011 7:16:55 PMSubject: Melatonin overdose = 9-10 mg. per NP Re:

Re: Aggression

Wow. Thanks all for the posts on melatonin. I wonder why there is so much difference in opinion between professionals?

Kim

> > >

> > > I was told by a nurse practitioner at the University that a 9-10 mg. dose of

>

> > > melatonin begins to affect the body as a type of "chemotherapy," her word,

> >and

> >

> > > she indicated going this high was dangerous.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > From: "fight4thekids@" <fight4thekids@>

> > > To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

> > > Sent: Wed, May 11, 2011 4:57:18 PM

> > > Subject: Re: Aggression

> > >

> > >

> > > My kids can definitely not make it without at least turmeric. We got a

> > > small amount of die-off from turmeric and ginger root the first few days.

> >

> > > We worked up to 1 to 4 capsules of turmeric twice a day. Too small

> >amount

> >

> > > was not noticed. Ginger root, I never did more than one pill twice a

> >day.

> >

> > > It just seemed strong. For my kids, most could only do 1/2 capsule a day

> >

> > > because of it's strength. It tends to really thin the blood. A lot of

> > > things say they thin the blood, but we never noticed anything doing that,

> >

> > > except for ginger root. I would focus on mopping up with alginates or

> > > things for ammonia and anti-inflammatory types of things and also things

> >to

> >

> > > help with liver and digestion. Then they can handle the daily toxins,

> >the

> >

> > > toxins from the pathogen load and the extra dead pathogens that you will

> >be

> >

> > > creating. It's the inflammation and toxins that cause they symptoms.

> >The

> >

> > > pathogens do cause the inflammation and toxins, though.

> > >

> > >

> > > We only use Mellatonin at night, and just 1 to 3mg. If they wake up too

>

> > > early or dream too much, we lower the dose. If there is a headache or

> >bad

> >

> > > die-off, we raise the dose.

> > >

> > >

> > > Love and prayers,

> > >

> > > Heidi N

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > How much curcumin and ginger root to you give your child? Do you give it

> >at

> >

> > > meal time or prior to? Is there any die-off with curcumin?

> > > We do use melatonin - 9 mg at bedtime to help her sleep... didn't know

> > > melatonin is also helpful with inflammation. How much do you use and how

>

> > > many times per day?

> > >

> > > No, we are not doing enough treatment for ANYTHING right now. Trying to

> >put

> >

> > > out the fire and resorting to calming supps before I start back at

> >treating

> >

> > > chronic bacterial/fungal/

> > >

> > > viral issues. As I mentioned in another post, I am totally burnt out -

>

> > > beyond burnt out.

> > >

> > >

> > > Kim

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Sara.

I just wanted to see if there was any other supps you have used for calming that

I do not have in my arsenal.

I'm not a newbie, I know about diet, toxicity, inflammation, the hows and whys

of how toxins affect behaviours etc etc

I am mainly using calming supps right now to get my child stable... I need to

get MY sanity back before I delve into the next treatment... after 8 years of

this I am burnt out at both ends.

Kim

> > > > >

> > > > > I was told by a nurse practitioner at the University that a 9-10 mg.

dose of

> > > > > melatonin begins to affect the body as a type of " chemotherapy, " her

word, and

> > > > > she indicated going this high was dangerous.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > From: " fight4thekids@ " <fight4thekids@>

> > > > > To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

> > > > > Sent: Wed, May 11, 2011 4:57:18 PM

> > > > > Subject: Re: Aggression

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > My kids can definitely not make it without at least turmeric. We

got a

> > > > > small amount of die-off from turmeric and ginger root the first

few days.

> > > > > We worked up to 1 to 4 capsules of turmeric twice a day. Too

small amount

> > > > > was not noticed. Ginger root, I never did more than one pill

twice a day.

> > > > > It just seemed strong. For my kids, most could only do 1/2

capsule a day

> > > > > because of it's strength. It tends to really thin the blood. A

lot of

> > > > > things say they thin the blood, but we never noticed anything

doing that,

> > > > > except for ginger root. I would focus on mopping up with alginates

or

> > > > > things for ammonia and anti-inflammatory types of things and also

things to

> > > > > help with liver and digestion. Then they can handle the daily

toxins, the

> > > > > toxins from the pathogen load and the extra dead pathogens that

you will be

> > > > > creating. It's the inflammation and toxins that cause they

symptoms. The

> > > > > pathogens do cause the inflammation and toxins, though.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > We only use Mellatonin at night, and just 1 to 3mg. If they wake up

too

> > > > > early or dream too much, we lower the dose. If there is a

headache or bad

> > > > > die-off, we raise the dose.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Love and prayers,

> > > > >

> > > > > Heidi N

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > How much curcumin and ginger root to you give your child? Do you

give it at

> > > > > meal time or prior to? Is there any die-off with curcumin?

> > > > > We do use melatonin - 9 mg at bedtime to help her sleep... didn't

know

> > > > > melatonin is also helpful with inflammation. How much do you use

and how

> > > > > many times per day?

> > > > >

> > > > > No, we are not doing enough treatment for ANYTHING right now. Trying

to put

> > > > > out the fire and resorting to calming supps before I start back at

treating

> > > > > chronic bacterial/fungal/

> > > > >

> > > > > viral issues. As I mentioned in another post, I am totally burnt

out -

> > > > > beyond burnt out.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Kim

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>