RE: Phyllis---the chicken or the egg

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In a message dated 7/14/2002 1:36:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

mawcee@... writes:

> I thought they shot up when you had too much fat in your diet.

Hi Cece,

I don't know about other people, but my cholesterol was very high when I was

eating mostly high fat foods. All of us are different, so I guess it effects

each of us differently.

Eunice

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In a message dated 7/14/02 1:55:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

pnorwood1@... writes:

> If you could see the fat I eat

> in a day you would be shocked.

>

I may not be very popular on this list after sending this... but the posts

that have been sent in promoting a high fat/Atkins diet have scared me for

the new folks on here who are looking for a quick way to lose weight and get

the bg's down... so I am posting a web address to an article by Dr. Joe

Fuhrman that gives his take on this way of eating. A high fat can indeed

cause some weight loss and weight loss immediately causes a lower

triglyceride/cholesterol level so a lot of temporary good can come from this

diet. However, the high fat diet does so much long term hard that is

undetectable until it is usually too late to change things, and that scares

me. It will destroy your heart and overload you liver in no time flat...

When either of those organs are gone, we are toast.

So please don't be offended at my sending this link... We have just had so

much pro-high fat and pro-Atkins, that I wanted everyone to be able to read

an article that did not feel that this is a very healthy way to live, long

term.

I've done a lot of research about Atkins and high fat diet since we have been

talking about it so much the last few weeks and I keep coming up with the

same opinion almost everywhere I look. I am not doing this prove anyone

wrong, I sincerely want to know if I am doing what is the most healthy way of

eating for long term health. It's a short article but it's by a doctor I

have respected for a number of years.

www.drfuhrman.com/atkins.htm

Shirley

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I researched this for many years and what I found out it that when you don't

combine too many carbs with fats you can eat all the fat you want and your

cholesterol comes down. That is why Dr. EAdes and Dr. Atkins have all this

great research and the ADA and AMA won't listed. FAt is not the enemy, sugar

is.

For me the carbs are under 20 a day. For another it might be as high as 50

or 100. But, I eat lots of fat and quit the lipitor because I got to where I

couldn't walk or get out of bed. In two weeks off the lipitor I was dancing

a jig. Now I take fish oil and niacin and have the best cholesterol I have

had in years. The last test showed total was 225 and tryglicerides were 177.

I know this can be better, so I am trying to start exercising and lose the

rest of the weight. But, no more meds of that variety.

To read more go to www.atkinscenter.com or www. mercola.com and you will

learn about the fats and the fish oil.

I predict in 5 years we will see a reversal on the fat issue. Sugar will

become the enemy and we will be able to get all kinds of low-carb foods like

they have done for low-fat. The majority of people eat low fat and just get

fatter.

Oh you must have carbs and fat in order to store fat, so when you limit the

carbs, the fat just flushes through the body. If you could see the fat I eat

in a day you would be shocked.

Phyllis N

>

>Reply-To: diabetes

>To: <diabetes >

>Subject: Phyllis---the chicken or the egg

>Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 13:47:14 -0400

>

>I guess my day for asking questions.

>

>Is it just a paradox that your new way of eating would make your

>triglicerides come down? I thought they shot up when you had too much fat

>in your diet.

>

>Cece

> meds a day, had a heart attack, tryglicerides of 1500.

>

> Then low carb saved my life. I have fixed all my blood levels to a near

> normal range with no meds, just lots of vitamins and diet.

>

> Phyllis N

>

>

>

>

>

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I get the worst stomach ache when I eat too much fat..so its not easy

for me and I have noticed that the healthier the fat (olive oil) the

worse the stomach ache...Something in there is not processing fat ...So

I have an organ rejecting carbs and one rejecting fats..

Not easy being me!!

sus

-----Original Message-----

From: Phyllis Norwood

I predict in 5 years we will see a reversal on the fat issue. Sugar will

become the enemy and we will be able to get all kinds of low-carb foods

like

they have done for low-fat. The majority of people eat low fat and just

get

fatter.

Oh you must have carbs and fat in order to store fat, so when you limit

the

carbs, the fat just flushes through the body. If you could see the fat I

eat

in a day you would be shocked.

Phyllis N

..

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You might want to get your gall bladder checked.

CLD wrote:

> I get the worst stomach ache when I eat too much fat..so

> its not easy

> for me and I have noticed that the healthier the fat

> (olive oil) the

> worse the stomach ache...Something in there is not

> processing fat ...So

> I have an organ rejecting carbs and one rejecting fats..

>

> Not easy being me!!

> sus

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Phyllis Norwood

>

> I predict in 5 years we will see a reversal on the fat

> issue. Sugar will

>

> become the enemy and we will be able to get all kinds of

> low-carb foods

> like

> they have done for low-fat. The majority of people eat low

> fat and just

> get

> fatter.

>

> Oh you must have carbs and fat in order to store fat, so

> when you limit

> the

> carbs, the fat just flushes through the body. If you could

> see the fat I

> eat

> in a day you would be shocked.

>

> Phyllis N

>

>

> .

>

>

>

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Ah.I was thinking about that ...I will speak to my doctor about it.

How do they check it? sus

-----Original Message-----

From: Dawson

You might want to get your gall bladder checked.

CLD wrote:

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For every article you can send I can send one too, but because I am so

healthy and working a medical research job and taking 3 courses in summer

school, and going to the gym I will just say to the newbies, read Atkins,

read Bernstein, read the research going on at Duke and the Univ of Colarado.

Eat your carbs and then test, maybe you will be lucky and your blood sugar

won't go up like mine does, or maybe the medication won't put you basically

in a wheel chair unable to walk until I got off of it.

Remember I had a major heart attack 4 years ago and now have no heart damage

due to Atkins, perfect liver, perfect kidneys, good BS and good cholesterol.

Still fat but have lost 40 and have 40 more to go.

So just be open minded and read and test.

I won't critized anyone's way of eating, I will just tell you about all the

good things about mine.

Phyllis N

>From: sjgrace@...

>Reply-To: diabetes

>To: diabetes

>Subject: Re: Phyllis---the chicken or the egg

>Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 16:47:43 EDT

>

>In a message dated 7/14/02 1:55:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

>pnorwood1@... writes:

>

>

> > If you could see the fat I eat

> > in a day you would be shocked.

> >

>

>I may not be very popular on this list after sending this... but the posts

>that have been sent in promoting a high fat/Atkins diet have scared me for

>the new folks on here who are looking for a quick way to lose weight and

>get

>the bg's down... so I am posting a web address to an article by Dr. Joe

>Fuhrman that gives his take on this way of eating. A high fat can indeed

>cause some weight loss and weight loss immediately causes a lower

>triglyceride/cholesterol level so a lot of temporary good can come from

>this

>diet. However, the high fat diet does so much long term hard that is

>undetectable until it is usually too late to change things, and that scares

>me. It will destroy your heart and overload you liver in no time flat...

>When either of those organs are gone, we are toast.

>

>So please don't be offended at my sending this link... We have just had so

>much pro-high fat and pro-Atkins, that I wanted everyone to be able to read

>an article that did not feel that this is a very healthy way to live, long

>term.

>

>I've done a lot of research about Atkins and high fat diet since we have

>been

>talking about it so much the last few weeks and I keep coming up with the

>same opinion almost everywhere I look. I am not doing this prove anyone

>wrong, I sincerely want to know if I am doing what is the most healthy way

>of

>eating for long term health. It's a short article but it's by a doctor I

>have respected for a number of years.

>

>www.drfuhrman.com/atkins.htm

>

>Shirley

>

>

>

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You may be missing an enzyme that process fat in the body.

>>

>I get the worst stomach ache when I eat too much fat..so its not easy

>for me and I have noticed that the healthier the fat (olive oil) the

>worse the stomach ache...Something in there is not processing fat ...So

>I have an organ rejecting carbs and one rejecting fats..

>

>Not easy being me!!

>sus

>

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And I appreciate it. Balanced info is needed, and it is given here, from what I

have seen so far. Thanks for expressing your views.

Cece

Re: Phyllis---the chicken or the egg

>Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 16:47:43 EDT

>

>In a message dated 7/14/02 1:55:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

>pnorwood1@... writes:

>

>

> > If you could see the fat I eat

> > in a day you would be shocked.

> >

>

>I may not be very popular on this list after sending this... but the posts

>that have been sent in promoting a high fat/Atkins diet have scared me for

>the new folks on here who are looking for a quick way to lose weight and

>get

>the bg's down... so I am posting a web address to an article by Dr. Joe

>Fuhrman that gives his take on this way of eating. A high fat can indeed

>cause some weight loss and weight loss immediately causes a lower

>triglyceride/cholesterol level so a lot of temporary good can come from

>this

>diet. However, the high fat diet does so much long term hard that is

>undetectable until it is usually too late to change things, and that scares

>me. It will destroy your heart and overload you liver in no time flat...

>When either of those organs are gone, we are toast.

>

>So please don't be offended at my sending this link... We have just had so

>much pro-high fat and pro-Atkins, that I wanted everyone to be able to read

>an article that did not feel that this is a very healthy way to live, long

>term.

>

>I've done a lot of research about Atkins and high fat diet since we have

>been

>talking about it so much the last few weeks and I keep coming up with the

>same opinion almost everywhere I look. I am not doing this prove anyone

>wrong, I sincerely want to know if I am doing what is the most healthy way

>of

>eating for long term health. It's a short article but it's by a doctor I

>have respected for a number of years.

>

>www.drfuhrman.com/atkins.htm

>

>Shirley

>

>

>