Guest guest Posted October 8, 2001 Report Share Posted October 8, 2001 < I understand by reading archives that the cola adds phosphoric acid to take the edges off the stones....but does it open up the bile ducts? >> ************************ Hello, I haven't tried it yet, but the Coke takes off the rough edges or something. I don't believe that it opens up the bile ducts. Do what I'm going to do next time, use Magnesium citrate instead. Lots of people say it tastes better than ES and it too relaxes the bile ducts. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2001 Report Share Posted October 8, 2001 In a message dated 10/8/01 7:28:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time, nb9i@... writes: > ....but does it open up the bile ducts? > Thanks. > > I hear that the lemon juice serves that purpose as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2001 Report Share Posted October 8, 2001 << If magnesium citrate will take the place of ES, I will surely try that next time. As stated, the ES gave me a headache. >> *********************************** Hi, Your magnesium stuff relaxes the bile ducts. I take magnesium from the health food store every night when I go to bed. It also relaxes you and helps you sleep. These are caps that I take. But next time I plan on using magnesium citrate instead just to try it. Many people says it works good. Make sure you're very hydrated before you start the fast. I always drink a lot of water anyway. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2001 Report Share Posted October 8, 2001 The Coke does not replace the epsom salt's function but makes the olive oil and lemon juice mixture go down a little easier (you'll have to keep stirring the mixture to make it stay mixed). Dr is adamantly against drinking Coke (ever) due to the benzoate preservatives as well as other potential impurities. nb9i@... wrote: > I have read on Dr. 's site that she says that the epsom salts > open the bile ducts for the liver cleanse. I have tried one flush > using the epsom salts and really don't want to use ES again...gives > me a headache. I see that there is the " Coca-Cola " alternative to Dr. > 's ES method. My question is: will the " Coca-Cola " version still > open up the bile ducts the way that Dr. says the ES does? I > understand by reading archives that the cola adds phosphoric acid to > take the edges off the stones....but does it open up the bile ducts? > Thanks. > > nb9i Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2001 Report Share Posted October 8, 2001 Susie Wrote: Hello, I haven't tried it yet, but the Coke takes off the rough edges or something. I don't believe that it opens up the bile ducts. Do what I'm going to do next time, use Magnesium citrate instead. Lots of people say it tastes better than ES and it too relaxes the bile ducts. Susie Susie, I'll give it a try! The first flush went real well for me except for that Epsom Salt headache. I'll give the citrate a try next time...thanks! nb9i Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2001 Report Share Posted October 8, 2001 Regarding my post on the " Cola vs...Epsom salt method " ... I'm just trying to make sure that whichever method I use, I want to use the ingredient that will open up the bile ducts so that the oil can do it's job. If it's the lemon/grapefruit juice fine. I'm not crazy about adding cola anyway...(I don't drink soft drinks). I'm not concerned about making the oil/fruit juice mixture more palatable. I can drink it down with no problem. The confusing thing about Dr. 's advice is her statement that the Epsom salts open the bile ducts. From what I read on the ES box label is that it's internal use is just for the laxative effect. If magnesium citrate will take the place of ES, I will surely try that next time. As stated, the ES gave me a headache. nb9i Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2001 Report Share Posted October 8, 2001 At 16:06 08.10.2001 +0000, you wrote: >The confusing thing about Dr. >'s advice is her statement that the Epsom salts open the bile >ducts. From what I read on the ES box label is that it's internal use >is just for the laxative effect. Pharmacy is making a confusion. Beside opening bile ducts, Epsom salts have many many other good functions inside body. If used for liver cleanse, make sure that evening dose is not too saturated. That way it tastes better, you will absorb it, so that it can do a good job. Magnesium Citrate is not as easy to get, but it is as good as Sulfate. Magnesium Citrate: Mg3(C6H5O7)2 + xH2O It is usualy possible to order it in pharmacy. Epsom salts, also called magnsum sulfate (MgSO4) is treatment of choice of many doctors practicing traditional medicine. Especialy in Germany, where there are still many doctors (MD) practising alternative and traditional medicine. Many German doctors (experts) say that if people would take 1 tsp of Epsom salts a day, no heart surgery would ever be needed, and most other diseases would be prevented. Magnesium deficiency is cause (cofactor) of many diseases, especialy gallstones, cardiovascular diaseses and degenerative diseases. If taken in proper amount, magnesum sulfate will be absorbed by our body, and used when neded in many chemical reactions. It is simple and cheap way to perevent Magnesium, Calcium and other minerals deficiency. Magnesium aids calcium absorbtion and metabolism. To absorb it, it should be deluted with water, and rarely more then 1 tsp a day. Some people (few) may get diarrhea even with 1/2 tsp a day. Diarrhea is sign that you have taken too much, or that concentration of it in water was too high! You should not cause diarrhea without any reason, because it is depleteng body of minerals and magnesium. Diarrhea is causing magnesium loss. you wrote: >From what I read on the ES box label is that it's internal use >is just for the laxative effect. Well, if you only use it as a laxative, you will most likely be a good custommer of Pharmacy for very very long time. They have economical interest to write that statement. That statement helps pharmaceutical industry make billions $. Simple statement that makes billions $. Incredible. You can absorb some Epsom salts even if you take Epsom salts bath. Think of it as of Vitamin C. If you take too much Vitamin C, you get diarrhea. But, if you take right amount, you prevent diseases, and even cure them. When taking Epsom salts, water intake is vital !!!! Drink Clean Water. Regards Agnes Magnesium is a critical element in 325+ biochemical reactions in the human body. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------- Recent research, in France and several other European countries, gives a clue concerning the role of magnesium plays in the transmission of hormones (such as insulin, thyroid, estrogen, testosterone, DHEA, etc.), neurotransmitters (such as dopamine, catecholamines, serotonin, GABA, etc.), and minerals and mineral electrolytes. This research concludes that it is magnesium status that controls cell membrane potential and through this means controls uptake and release of many hormones, nutrients and neurotransmitters. It is magnesium that controls the fate of potassium and calcium in the body. If magnesium is insufficient potassium and calcium will be lost in the urine and calcium will be deposited in the soft tissues (kidneys, arteries, joints, brain, etc.). Magnesium protects the cell from aluminum, mercury, lead, cadmium, beryllium and nickel. Evidence is mounting that low levels of magnesium contribute to the heavy metal deposition in the brain that precedes Parkinson's, multiple sclerosis and Alzheimer's. It is probable that low total body magnesium contributes to heavy metal toxicity in children and is a participant in the etiology of learning disorders. Deficiency (from low dietary intake or excess loss) is clinically associated with: ADD/ADHD Alzheimer's Angina Anxiety disorders Arrhythmia Arthritis- Rheumatoid and Osteoarthritis Asthma Autism Auto immune disorders- all types Cavities Cerebral Palsy- in children from magnesium deficient mothers Chronic Fatigue Syndrome Congestive Heart Disease Constipation Crooked teeth- narrow jaw- in children from magnesium deficient mothers Depression Diabetes- Type I and II Eating disorders- Bulimia, Anorexia Fibromyalgia Gut disorders- including peptic ulcer, Crohn's disease, colitis, food allergy Heart Disease- Arteriosclerosis, high cholesterol, high triglycerides Heart Disease- in infants born to magnesium deficient mothers High Blood Pressure Hypoglycemia Impaired athletic performance Infantile Seizure- in children from magnesium deficient mothers Insomnia Kidney Stones Lou Gehrig's Disease Migraines- including cluster type Mitral Valve Prolapse Multiple Sclerosis Muscle cramps Muscle weakness, fatigue Myopia- in children from magnesium deficient mothers Obesity- especially obesity associated with high carbohydrate diets Osteoporosis- just adding magnesium reversed bone loss Parkinson's Disease PMS- including menstrual pain and irregularities PPH- Primary Pulmonary Hypertension Raynaud's SIDS- Sudden Infant Death Syndrome Stroke Syndrome X- insulin resistance Thyroid disorders- low, high and auto-immune; low magnesium reduces T4 Other conditions are also associated with chronic and acute low magnesium intake and further research is continuing to confirm relationships. The following substances and conditions reduce total body magnesium --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------- Alcohol- all forms cause significant losses Amphetamines/Cocaine Burns- with large surface area Calcium- high levels block magnesium absorption Carbohydrates- especially white sugar, high fructose corn syrup, white flour Chronic pain- any cause Coffee- significant losses Cyclosporin- extra magnesium can protect from side-effects Diabetes- magnesium spills with sugar in the urine Diarrhea- any cause Dieting- stress plus lowered intake Diuretics- even potassium sparing diuretics do not spare magnesium Insulin- whether from using insulin or from hyperinsulinemia Over-training- extreme athletic physical conditioning/training Phentermine / Fenfluramine Sodas- especially cola type sodas, both diet and regular Sodium- high refined (table) salt intake Stress- physical and mental- anything that gets your fight or flight reaction Surgery Sweat Thirst --------------------------------------------------------- Sources of magnesium: Green vegetable, root vegetable, water, unrefined sea salt. About the minerals and trace elements: Although certain body processes are attributed to certain minerals, each mineral needs one or more other minerals to properly function. For instance, a proper calcium-phosphorus balance is necessary to the body in that an imbalance reduces resistance to disease, increases fatigue, weakens intellectual faculties and leads to premature ageing. Magnesium can only be used if calcium and phosphorus are in a proper balance. An overabundance of one mineral can result in a deficiency of another. Obtaining minerals from whole food sources provides the body with the wide variety of minerals it needs. Supplementing with one or two minerals is rarely a good idea unless it is under the supervision of a doctor or nutritional counselor. --------------------------- Essential Nutrients and processed foods: -------------------------------------------------------- Minerals mg per 1/2 tsp ---------------------------------------------------- Unrefined Salt US-RDA Refined Salt --------------------------------------------------- Sulfur 30.0 mg?? 19.4 mg 0 mg Magnesium 10.4 mg 500.0 mg 0 mg Potassium 5.4 mg 3.5 mg 0 mg Calcium 3. mg 1200.0 mg 0 mg Silicon 2.5 mg 15.0 mg 0 mg Iron 0.3 mg 15.0 mg 0 mg Zinc 0.06 mg 12.0 mg 0 mg Copper 0.04 mg 0.9 mg 0 mg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2001 Report Share Posted October 9, 2001 Thanks all for the very good responses to my inquiry dealing with these two methods. I will try the citrate form of magnesium next liver flush. I appreciate the great info in the follow-up posts! nb9i Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2001 Report Share Posted October 11, 2001 In a message dated 10/8/2001 12:24:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, nb9i@... writes: > Susie, > I'll give it a try! The first flush went real well for me > except for that Epsom Salt headache. I'll give the citrate a try next > time...thanks! Susie, besides the headache, did you get real sick with stomach aches or pain? PS. Does it hurt to pass these stones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2001 Report Share Posted October 12, 2001 , I am the person who stated that the Epsom salts gave me a headache. You were wondering if there were other pains associated with taking the Epsom Salts. First...the headache was not escruciating, just an annoyance. Yes, there was another pain associated with the salts. I did have some short-lived cramps before I actually took the oil and grapefruit juice. The cramps were a little " sharp " , but I only had it a couple times and they only lasted about 5 seconds each. Really nothing at all to dread. Agnes assures us in her posts that the Epsom salts help open the bile ducts. I assume that one should still use the Epsom or the Magnesium Citrate before the oil-juice drink. This is only the opinion I am forming as the results of the concensus of posts I am reading...being new to this myself, I'm not an " expert " . I hope this helps you. nb9i Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2001 Report Share Posted October 12, 2001 In a message dated 10/11/01 6:57:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, nb9i@... writes: > I > assume that one should still use the Epsom or the Magnesium Citrate > before the oil-juice drink. No, you don't use the mag citrate before the oo/lemon. You use it the next morning as a laxative. Hulda is the one who wants you to use a laxative before, during, and after. I have never done that, and have still had great success. My guess is that she wants to make sure a person is cleaned out and not constipated or obstructed in any way, therefore what I consider an excessive quadruple dosing of a laxative. Ive used the epsom salts twice and found that it contributed nothing to the process that I wasn't already getting from the other ingredients. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2001 Report Share Posted October 13, 2001 wrote, No, you don't use the mag citrate before the oo/lemon. You use it the next morning as a laxative. Hulda is the one who wants you to use a laxative before, during, and after. I have never done that, and have still had great success. My guess is that she wants to make sure a person is cleaned out and not constipated or obstructed in any way, therefore what I consider an excessive quadruple dosing of a laxative. I've used the epsom salts twice and found that it contributed nothing to the process that I wasn't already getting from the other ingredients. --------------------------------------------------------------------- , Thanks for your input! I guess opinion is somewhat divided on the question of the Epsom salts. I've read in these posts that some feel it opens the bile ducts in preparation of the OO/Juice flush. Others, such as yourself, feel that the ES contributed nothing but a laxative effect. I appreciate you sharing your results of your flushes without the ES. nb9i Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2001 Report Share Posted October 13, 2001 In a message dated 10/12/01 5:46:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, nb9i@... writes: > Others, such as yourself, feel that the ES contributed nothing > but a laxative effect. I appreciate you sharing your results of your > flushes without the ES. > Yes, I've probably produced 5000-6000 stones without epsom salts, so I guess something else does the job of opening the bile ducts. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2001 Report Share Posted October 17, 2001 Thank You nb9i, That doesn't sound so bad. I could handle that but if the pain went into a full gallbladder attack, I don't think I could. Thanks again for reassuring me. God Bless You, << , I am the person who stated that the Epsom salts gave me a headache. You were wondering if there were other pains associated with taking the Epsom Salts. First...the headache was not escruciating, just an annoyance. Yes, there was another pain associated with the salts. I did have some short-lived cramps before I actually took the oil and grapefruit juice. The cramps were a little " sharp " , but I only had it a couple times and they only lasted about 5 seconds each. Really nothing at all to dread. Agnes assures us in her posts that the Epsom salts help open the bile ducts. I assume that one should still use the Epsom or the Magnesium Citrate before the oil-juice drink. This is only the opinion I am forming as the results of the concensus of posts I am reading...being new to this myself, I'm not an " expert " . I hope this helps you. nb9i >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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