Re: Effexor and Seroquel Withdrawl

[Guest guest]

, see my other post today about 10% reductions. The schedule

you're pursuing will result in failure and/or long term disability.

>

> Hello everyone,

> This is my first post and I just want to say how incredibly happy

I

> am to be here - the information here is SO helpful, and my life

has

> improved immensely in the little time I've been reading.

>

> Question: any advice on withdrawing from Effexor and Seroquel? As

> I've always been since my early 20s when I was diagnosed

> with " depression " and " PTSD " I have been blindly trusting my

> psychiatrist. I've only recently found my personal power, and

trusted

> my instincts on how to create my own positive living enviornment

and

> therefore brain chemistry. So, recently, *strongly against his

> advice* I made the decision to get off of my meds (full cocktail:

> wellbutrin 300mg; seroquel 100mg; effexor 75mg and cipralex 10mg).

At

> my insistence he gave me a withdrawl schedule, but of course no

> herbal supplemental tips or other tips to get off them and

minimize

> symptoms, just " you'll be back in my office in a few weeks

suicidally

> depressed if you don't listen to me. "

>

> anyway,

> for 1 week now I've decreased seroquel to 25 mg - no side effects,

so

> he said just get off it (last night was first night in 2 years I

had

> none)

> then yesterday he said just get off effexor too, all at once (so

last

> night first time without effexor too)

> I am still to take wellbutrin for 2 weeks: 300mg this week, 150

next

> week then 0

> I am still to take cipralex for 3 weeks - 10mg for next 2 weeks,

5mg

> the last week then 0

>

> I am now getting headaches, and although I'm taking lecithin

> supplements and multivitamins and b-complex I'm nervous that I'm

not

> doing everything I can - I'm also eating VERY well because of a

> brilliant article posted on this board about treating food as

> medicine, not for pleasure, etc.....

>

> Any advice would be appreciated,

> thanks so much everyone!

> and best of luck on your journeys,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

You said:

<<This is my first post and I just want to say how incredibly happy I

am to be here - the information here is SO helpful, and my life has

improved immensely in the little time I've been reading.

Question: any advice on withdrawing from Effexor and Seroquel? As

I've always been since my early 20s when I was diagnosed

with " depression " and " PTSD " I have been blindly trusting my

psychiatrist. I've only recently found my personal power, and trusted

my instincts on how to create my own positive living enviornment and

therefore brain chemistry. So, recently, *strongly against his

advice* I made the decision to get off of my meds (full cocktail:

wellbutrin 300mg; seroquel 100mg; effexor 75mg and cipralex 10mg). At

my insistence he gave me a withdrawl schedule, but of course no

herbal supplemental tips or other tips to get off them and minimize

symptoms, just " you'll be back in my office in a few weeks suicidally

depressed if you don't listen to me. " >>

** Correction, if you listen to him you'l be back in his office

suicidally depressed and psychotic. The reduction schedule you've been

given insures that.

1st, you have to wait a while since you went off the Seroquel so

abruptly. You have not yet seen the effects of that.

You said:

<<anyway,

for 1 week now I've decreased seroquel to 25 mg - no side effects, so

he said just get off it (last night was first night in 2 years I had

none)

then yesterday he said just get off effexor too, all at once (so last

night first time without effexor too)

I am still to take wellbutrin for 2 weeks: 300mg this week, 150 next

week then 0

I am still to take cipralex for 3 weeks - 10mg for next 2 weeks, 5mg

the last week then 0>>

** This is a recipe for disaster. Thousands of people before you have

proven this.

I'm not going to mince words with you. Here's how you can safely do

this.

1) Do not discontinue anythnig else right now and reinstate the Effexor.

2) Wait. You will feel withdrawal from the Seroquel. In fact, my advice

to you would be to reinstate this, too.

3) Choose 1 drug, decrease it by 10%. Do any necessary dietary changes

(See Eating For Recovery in files). Wait at least 3 weeks. If you are

completely stable, do another 10% decrease on that one drug. Continue this

way.

Having said that I want to let you know that I have the sense you are

going to reject this and continue as you are doing right now. Let me arn

you that this can lead tyo more damage than has already been done by the

drugs and will lead to long term disability. Note I said " WILL " not might.

This is not fearmongering. It is the plain and simple truth.

In cases like yours where people are taking multiple psychotropic drugs,

things are very complex -- too complex to work this way (through email). I

recommend private consultation for this. Many here can attest to this.

You said:

<<I am now getting headaches, and although I'm taking lecithin

supplements and multivitamins and b-complex I'm nervous that I'm not

doing everything I can - I'm also eating VERY well because of a

brilliant article posted on this board about treating food as

medicine, not for pleasure, etc.....>>

** You're getting headaches from droping so much of the Seroquel at one

time. This is only the tip of the iceberg so to speak.

B Vitamins taken separately can create anxiety in people who take or have

taken spychotropic drugs. The pathways involved in metabolizing B vitamins

are the same pathways that metabolize or partly metabolize some psychotropic

drugs. The drugs damage these pathways.

The only things I would recommend to you without having the info I get

from people in private consultations is that magnesium and fish oil will be

helpful. Don't take the mag if you have a disgnosed kidney disorder (you

may still be able to take it but it would require more info to ascertain

this).

There are plenty of people here who can tell you that they also thought

they could do this in the way you have planned. Their mistakes can be your

blessing if you heed their experiences.

Regards,

(list owner)

[Guest guest]

Hi (and everyone),

Thank you, especially for the direct honesty. I am now curious: how

did you have the sense that I would continue as I was on my

psychiatrist schedule without heeding your advice? (of course you

were right, until another call to the psychiatrist who told me to

call the drug companies to confirm his advice, and email

correspondence with you which thankfully brought me to my

senses again).

I am sorry that I doubted you, and everyone here. Fear seems to be

driving me these days, but I'm realizing there's no room for fear

here. This is my health, it's very serious, and it's been toyed with

enough until now.

Okay, so I took 75mg of Effexor and 25mg of Seroquel when I got home

at 6pm (usually I take them before bed, but it had been 2 going on 3

days I hadn't had anything so I took them right away. I'm guessing I

can slowly work back up to my regular bedtime with these now? It's no

coincidence that my headache is now gone and I crashed asleep shortly

after taking those pills now is it...I didn't consciously realize any

side effects while I was on the drugs. I feel like I've been

hypnotized for the past 2 years!

My next step then is to get a consultation with to see what

(if any) more vitamins I can take. Shall I post my history here? I'd

really really like to hear anybody's experience withdrawing from

these drugs/similar drugs. I am particularly interested in what long-

term damage can be done...is there any literature on risks in this

area??? My psychiatrist says it's all hooey and there's no risk of

getting off these drugs immediately because they're all at such low

doses.

Wow. How confusing. I hadn't realized this was so complex.

I'd love to hear from anyone?

Blessings and love,

>

> Dear ,

>

>

> You said:

>

>

> <<This is my first post and I just want to say how incredibly happy

I

> am to be here - the information here is SO helpful, and my life has

> improved immensely in the little time I've been reading.

>

> Question: any advice on withdrawing from Effexor and Seroquel? As

> I've always been since my early 20s when I was diagnosed

> with " depression " and " PTSD " I have been blindly trusting my

> psychiatrist. I've only recently found my personal power, and

trusted

> my instincts on how to create my own positive living enviornment and

> therefore brain chemistry. So, recently, *strongly against his

> advice* I made the decision to get off of my meds (full cocktail:

> wellbutrin 300mg; seroquel 100mg; effexor 75mg and cipralex 10mg).

At

> my insistence he gave me a withdrawl schedule, but of course no

> herbal supplemental tips or other tips to get off them and minimize

> symptoms, just " you'll be back in my office in a few weeks

suicidally

> depressed if you don't listen to me. " >>

>

>

> ** Correction, if you listen to him you'l be back in his

office

> suicidally depressed and psychotic. The reduction schedule you've

been

> given insures that.

>

>

> 1st, you have to wait a while since you went off the Seroquel so

> abruptly. You have not yet seen the effects of that.

>

>

> You said:

>

> <<anyway,

> for 1 week now I've decreased seroquel to 25 mg - no side effects,

so

> he said just get off it (last night was first night in 2 years I had

> none)

> then yesterday he said just get off effexor too, all at once (so

last

> night first time without effexor too)

> I am still to take wellbutrin for 2 weeks: 300mg this week, 150 next

> week then 0

> I am still to take cipralex for 3 weeks - 10mg for next 2 weeks, 5mg

> the last week then 0>>

>

>

> ** This is a recipe for disaster. Thousands of people before

you have

> proven this.

>

>

> I'm not going to mince words with you. Here's how you can

safely do

> this.

>

> 1) Do not discontinue anythnig else right now and reinstate the

Effexor.

>

> 2) Wait. You will feel withdrawal from the Seroquel. In fact, my

advice

> to you would be to reinstate this, too.

>

> 3) Choose 1 drug, decrease it by 10%. Do any necessary dietary

changes

> (See Eating For Recovery in files). Wait at least 3 weeks. If you

are

> completely stable, do another 10% decrease on that one drug.

Continue this

> way.

>

>

> Having said that I want to let you know that I have the sense

you are

> going to reject this and continue as you are doing right now. Let

me arn

> you that this can lead tyo more damage than has already been done

by the

> drugs and will lead to long term disability. Note I said " WILL "

not might.

> This is not fearmongering. It is the plain and simple truth.

>

>

>

> In cases like yours where people are taking multiple

psychotropic drugs,

> things are very complex -- too complex to work this way (through

email). I

> recommend private consultation for this. Many here can attest to

this.

>

>

>

> You said:

>

> <<I am now getting headaches, and although I'm taking lecithin

> supplements and multivitamins and b-complex I'm nervous that I'm not

> doing everything I can - I'm also eating VERY well because of a

> brilliant article posted on this board about treating food as

> medicine, not for pleasure, etc.....>>

>

>

> ** You're getting headaches from droping so much of the

Seroquel at one

> time. This is only the tip of the iceberg so to speak.

>

>

> B Vitamins taken separately can create anxiety in people who take

or have

> taken spychotropic drugs. The pathways involved in metabolizing B

vitamins

> are the same pathways that metabolize or partly metabolize some

psychotropic

> drugs. The drugs damage these pathways.

>

>

> The only things I would recommend to you without having the

info I get

> from people in private consultations is that magnesium and fish oil

will be

> helpful. Don't take the mag if you have a disgnosed kidney

disorder (you

> may still be able to take it but it would require more info to

ascertain

> this).

>

>

> There are plenty of people here who can tell you that they also

thought

> they could do this in the way you have planned. Their mistakes can

be your

> blessing if you heed their experiences.

>

> Regards,

>

> (list owner)

>

[Guest guest]

" My psychiatrist says it's all hooey and there's no risk of

getting off these drugs immediately because they're all at such low

doses. "

Has he/she ever tried it??? It just prooves how dangerous

psychiatrists are.......they are evil.

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

You said:

> Hi (and everyone),

> Thank you, especially for the direct honesty. I am now curious:

how

> did you have the sense that I would continue as I was on my

> psychiatrist schedule without heeding your advice? (of course you

> were right, until another call to the psychiatrist who told me to

> call the drug companies to confirm his advice, and email

> correspondence with you which thankfully brought me to

my

> senses again).>>

** I always know these things.

<<I am sorry that I doubted you, and everyone here. Fear seems to be

> driving me these days, but I'm realizing there's no room for fear

> here. This is my health, it's very serious, and it's been toyed

with

> enough until now.

>

> Okay, so I took 75mg of Effexor and 25mg of Seroquel when I got

home

> at 6pm (usually I take them before bed, but it had been 2 going on

3

> days I hadn't had anything so I took them right away. I'm guessing

I

> can slowly work back up to my regular bedtime with these now? It's

no

> coincidence that my headache is now gone and I crashed asleep

shortly

> after taking those pills now is it...I didn't consciously realize

any

> side effects while I was on the drugs. I feel like I've been

> hypnotized for the past 2 years!>>

** Yes, get back to the correct times.

<<My next step then is to get a consultation with to see

what

> (if any) more vitamins I can take. Shall I post my history here? >>

** No, it's not necessary to post your history here.

<<I'd

> really really like to hear anybody's experience withdrawing from

> these drugs/similar drugs.>>

** all these drugs are similar to each other so if you read the

message archives you'll see others' experiences.

<< I am particularly interested in what long-

> term damage can be done...is there any literature on risks in this

> area??? My psychiatrist says it's all hooey and there's no risk of

> getting off these drugs immediately because they're all at such

low

> doses.>>

** You have experienced what happens regardless of the doses.

What happens is called a cholinergic rebound. There is plenty of

literature on the dangers of an over-activated cholinergic nervous

system. But I'm not here to explore this from an intellectual

perspective. I did that years ago. Now, my efforts are spent

helping people survive their experiences with psychiatry. I also

spend no time at all trying to convince a psychiatrist of what I'm

saying. bY prescribing these drugs they have already proven their

inability to critically evaluate anything as well as their lack of

understanding of biochemistry. Their ignorance is appalling.

Regards,

> > Dear ,

> >

> >

> > You said:

> >

> >

> > <<This is my first post and I just want to say how incredibly

happy

> I

> > am to be here - the information here is SO helpful, and my life

has

> > improved immensely in the little time I've been reading.

> >

> > Question: any advice on withdrawing from Effexor and Seroquel? As

> > I've always been since my early 20s when I was diagnosed

> > with " depression " and " PTSD " I have been blindly trusting my

> > psychiatrist. I've only recently found my personal power, and

> trusted

> > my instincts on how to create my own positive living enviornment

and

> > therefore brain chemistry. So, recently, *strongly against his

> > advice* I made the decision to get off of my meds (full cocktail:

> > wellbutrin 300mg; seroquel 100mg; effexor 75mg and cipralex

10mg).

> At

> > my insistence he gave me a withdrawl schedule, but of course no

> > herbal supplemental tips or other tips to get off them and

minimize

> > symptoms, just " you'll be back in my office in a few weeks

> suicidally

> > depressed if you don't listen to me. " >>

> >

> >

> > ** Correction, if you listen to him you'l be back in his

> office

> > suicidally depressed and psychotic. The reduction schedule

you've

> been

> > given insures that.

> >

> >

> > 1st, you have to wait a while since you went off the Seroquel

so

> > abruptly. You have not yet seen the effects of that.

> >

> >

> > You said:

> >

> > <<anyway,

> > for 1 week now I've decreased seroquel to 25 mg - no side

effects,

> so

> > he said just get off it (last night was first night in 2 years I

had

> > none)

> > then yesterday he said just get off effexor too, all at once (so

> last

> > night first time without effexor too)

> > I am still to take wellbutrin for 2 weeks: 300mg this week, 150

next

> > week then 0

> > I am still to take cipralex for 3 weeks - 10mg for next 2 weeks,

5mg

> > the last week then 0>>

> >

> >

> > ** This is a recipe for disaster. Thousands of people

before

> you have

> > proven this.

> >

> >

> > I'm not going to mince words with you. Here's how you can

> safely do

> > this.

> >

> > 1) Do not discontinue anythnig else right now and reinstate the

> Effexor.

> >

> > 2) Wait. You will feel withdrawal from the Seroquel. In fact,

my

> advice

> > to you would be to reinstate this, too.

> >

> > 3) Choose 1 drug, decrease it by 10%. Do any necessary

dietary

> changes

> > (See Eating For Recovery in files). Wait at least 3 weeks. If

you

> are

> > completely stable, do another 10% decrease on that one drug.

> Continue this

> > way.

> >

> >

> > Having said that I want to let you know that I have the

sense

> you are

> > going to reject this and continue as you are doing right now.

Let

> me arn

> > you that this can lead tyo more damage than has already been

done

> by the

> > drugs and will lead to long term disability. Note I said " WILL "

> not might.

> > This is not fearmongering. It is the plain and simple truth.

> >

> >

> >

> > In cases like yours where people are taking multiple

> psychotropic drugs,

> > things are very complex -- too complex to work this way (through

> email). I

> > recommend private consultation for this. Many here can attest

to

> this.

> >

> >

> >

> > You said:

> >

> > <<I am now getting headaches, and although I'm taking lecithin

> > supplements and multivitamins and b-complex I'm nervous that I'm

not

> > doing everything I can - I'm also eating VERY well because of a

> > brilliant article posted on this board about treating food as

> > medicine, not for pleasure, etc.....>>

> >

> >

> > ** You're getting headaches from droping so much of the

> Seroquel at one

> > time. This is only the tip of the iceberg so to speak.

> >

> >

> > B Vitamins taken separately can create anxiety in people who

take

> or have

> > taken spychotropic drugs. The pathways involved in metabolizing

B

> vitamins

> > are the same pathways that metabolize or partly metabolize some

> psychotropic

> > drugs. The drugs damage these pathways.

> >

> >

> > The only things I would recommend to you without having the

> info I get

> > from people in private consultations is that magnesium and fish

oil

> will be

> > helpful. Don't take the mag if you have a disgnosed kidney

> disorder (you

> > may still be able to take it but it would require more info to

> ascertain

> > this).

> >

> >

> > There are plenty of people here who can tell you that they

also

> thought

> > they could do this in the way you have planned. Their mistakes

can

> be your

> > blessing if you heed their experiences.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > (list owner)

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thanks for the prompt and detailed reply. I didn't even think that

some of the drugs people talk about and I don't recognize would be

similar to mine. I have now done some research and see what you mean

(the groups of drugs, for instance). I really appreciate the info

about cholinergic rebound too and can't wait to find out more about

it.

Thanks for being patient with my intellectual approach, also. I find

I need to learn all I can before committing to it at a deeper level.

I know you are VERY busy (probably with more urgent matters) but

whenever you can, if you don't mind, would you be able to answer a

few queries here until I hear from you for an appointment?: I

especially need to know how much fish oil and magnesium I should be

taking, and more importantly whether I should go back up to 50mg of

seroquel right now (recall I was at 100mg, went off for 2 days, had

major headaches, then only had a few 25 mg pills for the weekend so

had no choice but one 25mg pill/day...I can get more now, but I am

choosing to wait for your reply before ordering more prescribed dope.

I am really hoping you'll say stay at 25mg, because I'm no longer

experiencing ANY negative side effects, but you know best about the

long term damage, i.e. whether dropping 50mg at once is a bad idea. I

will move back up to 50mg, just say the word.

p.s. kindly recall that my psychiatrist will not give me a list of

everything I have taken over the past 3 years until late Friday of

this week, so consider whether we have to wait until then to have an

appointment? I can then send the completed form you require prior to

appts.

>

> Dear ,

>

>

>

> You said:

>

>

> > Hi (and everyone),

> > Thank you, especially for the direct honesty. I am now curious:

> how

> > did you have the sense that I would continue as I was on my

> > psychiatrist schedule without heeding your advice? (of course you

> > were right, until another call to the psychiatrist who told me to

> > call the drug companies to confirm his advice, and email

> > correspondence with you which thankfully brought me to

> my

> > senses again).>>

>

>

>

> ** I always know these things.

>

> <<I am sorry that I doubted you, and everyone here. Fear seems to

be

> > driving me these days, but I'm realizing there's no room for fear

> > here. This is my health, it's very serious, and it's been toyed

> with

> > enough until now.

> >

> > Okay, so I took 75mg of Effexor and 25mg of Seroquel when I got

> home

> > at 6pm (usually I take them before bed, but it had been 2 going

on

> 3

> > days I hadn't had anything so I took them right away. I'm

guessing

> I

> > can slowly work back up to my regular bedtime with these now?

It's

> no

> > coincidence that my headache is now gone and I crashed asleep

> shortly

> > after taking those pills now is it...I didn't consciously realize

> any

> > side effects while I was on the drugs. I feel like I've been

> > hypnotized for the past 2 years!>>

>

>

> ** Yes, get back to the correct times.

>

>

>

> <<My next step then is to get a consultation with to see

> what

> > (if any) more vitamins I can take. Shall I post my history here?

>>

>

>

> ** No, it's not necessary to post your history here.

>

>

>

> <<I'd

> > really really like to hear anybody's experience withdrawing from

> > these drugs/similar drugs.>>

>

>

> ** all these drugs are similar to each other so if you read the

> message archives you'll see others' experiences.

>

>

>

> << I am particularly interested in what long-

> > term damage can be done...is there any literature on risks in

this

> > area??? My psychiatrist says it's all hooey and there's no risk

of

> > getting off these drugs immediately because they're all at such

> low

> > doses.>>

>

>

>

> ** You have experienced what happens regardless of the doses.

> What happens is called a cholinergic rebound. There is plenty of

> literature on the dangers of an over-activated cholinergic nervous

> system. But I'm not here to explore this from an intellectual

> perspective. I did that years ago. Now, my efforts are spent

> helping people survive their experiences with psychiatry. I also

> spend no time at all trying to convince a psychiatrist of what I'm

> saying. bY prescribing these drugs they have already proven their

> inability to critically evaluate anything as well as their lack of

> understanding of biochemistry. Their ignorance is appalling.

>

>

> Regards,

>

>

>

> > > Dear ,

> > >

> > >

> > > You said:

> > >

> > >

> > > <<This is my first post and I just want to say how incredibly

> happy

> > I

> > > am to be here - the information here is SO helpful, and my life

> has

> > > improved immensely in the little time I've been reading.

> > >

> > > Question: any advice on withdrawing from Effexor and Seroquel?

As

> > > I've always been since my early 20s when I was diagnosed

> > > with " depression " and " PTSD " I have been blindly trusting my

> > > psychiatrist. I've only recently found my personal power, and

> > trusted

> > > my instincts on how to create my own positive living

enviornment

> and

> > > therefore brain chemistry. So, recently, *strongly against his

> > > advice* I made the decision to get off of my meds (full

cocktail:

> > > wellbutrin 300mg; seroquel 100mg; effexor 75mg and cipralex

> 10mg).

> > At

> > > my insistence he gave me a withdrawl schedule, but of course no

> > > herbal supplemental tips or other tips to get off them and

> minimize

> > > symptoms, just " you'll be back in my office in a few weeks

> > suicidally

> > > depressed if you don't listen to me. " >>

> > >

> > >

> > > ** Correction, if you listen to him you'l be back in his

> > office

> > > suicidally depressed and psychotic. The reduction schedule

> you've

> > been

> > > given insures that.

> > >

> > >

> > > 1st, you have to wait a while since you went off the

Seroquel

> so

> > > abruptly. You have not yet seen the effects of that.

> > >

> > >

> > > You said:

> > >

> > > <<anyway,

> > > for 1 week now I've decreased seroquel to 25 mg - no side

> effects,

> > so

> > > he said just get off it (last night was first night in 2 years

I

> had

> > > none)

> > > then yesterday he said just get off effexor too, all at once

(so

> > last

> > > night first time without effexor too)

> > > I am still to take wellbutrin for 2 weeks: 300mg this week, 150

> next

> > > week then 0

> > > I am still to take cipralex for 3 weeks - 10mg for next 2

weeks,

> 5mg

> > > the last week then 0>>

> > >

> > >

> > > ** This is a recipe for disaster. Thousands of people

> before

> > you have

> > > proven this.

> > >

> > >

> > > I'm not going to mince words with you. Here's how you can

> > safely do

> > > this.

> > >

> > > 1) Do not discontinue anythnig else right now and reinstate the

> > Effexor.

> > >

> > > 2) Wait. You will feel withdrawal from the Seroquel. In

fact,

> my

> > advice

> > > to you would be to reinstate this, too.

> > >

> > > 3) Choose 1 drug, decrease it by 10%. Do any necessary

> dietary

> > changes

> > > (See Eating For Recovery in files). Wait at least 3 weeks. If

> you

> > are

> > > completely stable, do another 10% decrease on that one drug.

> > Continue this

> > > way.

> > >

> > >

> > > Having said that I want to let you know that I have the

> sense

> > you are

> > > going to reject this and continue as you are doing right now.

> Let

> > me arn

> > > you that this can lead tyo more damage than has already been

> done

> > by the

> > > drugs and will lead to long term disability. Note I

said " WILL "

> > not might.

> > > This is not fearmongering. It is the plain and simple truth.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > In cases like yours where people are taking multiple

> > psychotropic drugs,

> > > things are very complex -- too complex to work this way

(through

> > email). I

> > > recommend private consultation for this. Many here can attest

> to

> > this.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > You said:

> > >

> > > <<I am now getting headaches, and although I'm taking lecithin

> > > supplements and multivitamins and b-complex I'm nervous that

I'm

> not

> > > doing everything I can - I'm also eating VERY well because of a

> > > brilliant article posted on this board about treating food as

> > > medicine, not for pleasure, etc.....>>

> > >

> > >

> > > ** You're getting headaches from droping so much of the

> > Seroquel at one

> > > time. This is only the tip of the iceberg so to speak.

> > >

> > >

> > > B Vitamins taken separately can create anxiety in people who

> take

> > or have

> > > taken spychotropic drugs. The pathways involved in

metabolizing

> B

> > vitamins

> > > are the same pathways that metabolize or partly metabolize some

> > psychotropic

> > > drugs. The drugs damage these pathways.

> > >

> > >

> > > The only things I would recommend to you without having the

> > info I get

> > > from people in private consultations is that magnesium and fish

> oil

> > will be

> > > helpful. Don't take the mag if you have a disgnosed kidney

> > disorder (you

> > > may still be able to take it but it would require more info to

> > ascertain

> > > this).

> > >

> > >

> > > There are plenty of people here who can tell you that they

> also

> > thought

> > > they could do this in the way you have planned. Their mistakes

> can

> > be your

> > > blessing if you heed their experiences.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > (list owner)

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi ,

> Thanks for the prompt and detailed reply. I didn't even think that

> some of the drugs people talk about and I don't recognize would be

> similar to mine. I have now done some research and see what you

mean

> (the groups of drugs, for instance). I really appreciate the info

> about cholinergic rebound too and can't wait to find out more

about

> it.

>

> Thanks for being patient with my intellectual approach, also. I

find

> I need to learn all I can before committing to it at a deeper

level.

>

> I know you are VERY busy (probably with more urgent matters) but

> whenever you can, if you don't mind, would you be able to answer a

> few queries here until I hear from you for an appointment?: I

> especially need to know how much fish oil and magnesium I should

be

> taking, and more importantly whether I should go back up to 50mg

of

> seroquel right now (recall I was at 100mg, went off for 2 days,

had

> major headaches, then only had a few 25 mg pills for the weekend

so

> had no choice but one 25mg pill/day...I can get more now, but I am

> choosing to wait for your reply before ordering more prescribed

dope.

> I am really hoping you'll say stay at 25mg, because I'm no longer

> experiencing ANY negative side effects, but you know best about

the

> long term damage, i.e. whether dropping 50mg at once is a bad

idea. I

> will move back up to 50mg, just say the word.>>

** Dropping 50 mg at once is a terrible idea. How are you able

to sort out the reaction you are having to ther lack of Effexor from

the reaction to dropping the Seroquel?

If you really elieve all you need is 25 mg, then go ahead and do

this.

When looking for generic recommendations on things like magnesium

and fish oil until more specific ones can be made, look atb the

document titled Basic Healing Protocol found in the FILES section.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Withdrawal_and_Recovery/files

** With mag, try 200 mg 3 to 4x a day. Fish oil -- at least

3000 mg (3g) a day.

>

> p.s. kindly recall that my psychiatrist will not give me a list of

> everything I have taken over the past 3 years until late Friday of

> this week, so consider whether we have to wait until then to have

an

> appointment? I can then send the completed form you require prior

to

> appts. >>

** I have a number of people in various stages of booking

consults but the proces is moving so slowly that I don't know where

it stands with anyone at this point. So, if you could just send

your history form and times of availability we can set an

appointment. You can provide the list of srugs later separately.

Thanks.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thanks for the reply. I think you may have misunderstood? I did not

drop effexor and seroquel simultaneously. I went back on my regular

dose of effexor per your advice, then because I only had 25mg of

seroquel left (to tide me over the weekend) I stayed on 25mg. I then

thought we'd have an appt so waited but we got delayed so I just

stayed as I was - I am trying not to be stubborn. Rather, I remember

you saying over and over again in the posts to " listen to yourself "

and I was doing fine on 25mg seroquel, the rest of the cocktail no

changes, so I decided to stay until we talked. You have also said

there is a 6 week window so I thought to myself: " if says

dropping 50 is a bad idea, then I'll go back up after we talk because

I still have time. "

what should I do now?

thanks so much for your time,

sincerely,

> >

> > Hi ,

> > Thanks for the prompt and detailed reply. I didn't even think

that

> > some of the drugs people talk about and I don't recognize would

be

> > similar to mine. I have now done some research and see what you

> mean

> > (the groups of drugs, for instance). I really appreciate the info

> > about cholinergic rebound too and can't wait to find out more

> about

> > it.

> >

> > Thanks for being patient with my intellectual approach, also. I

> find

> > I need to learn all I can before committing to it at a deeper

> level.

> >

> > I know you are VERY busy (probably with more urgent matters) but

> > whenever you can, if you don't mind, would you be able to answer

a

> > few queries here until I hear from you for an appointment?: I

> > especially need to know how much fish oil and magnesium I should

> be

> > taking, and more importantly whether I should go back up to 50mg

> of

> > seroquel right now (recall I was at 100mg, went off for 2 days,

> had

> > major headaches, then only had a few 25 mg pills for the weekend

> so

> > had no choice but one 25mg pill/day...I can get more now, but I

am

> > choosing to wait for your reply before ordering more prescribed

> dope.

> > I am really hoping you'll say stay at 25mg, because I'm no longer

> > experiencing ANY negative side effects, but you know best about

> the

> > long term damage, i.e. whether dropping 50mg at once is a bad

> idea. I

> > will move back up to 50mg, just say the word.>>

>

>

> ** Dropping 50 mg at once is a terrible idea. How are you

able

> to sort out the reaction you are having to ther lack of Effexor

from

> the reaction to dropping the Seroquel?

>

>

> If you really elieve all you need is 25 mg, then go ahead and do

> this.

>

>

> When looking for generic recommendations on things like

magnesium

> and fish oil until more specific ones can be made, look atb the

> document titled Basic Healing Protocol found in the FILES section.

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Withdrawal_and_Recovery/files

>

>

> ** With mag, try 200 mg 3 to 4x a day. Fish oil -- at least

> 3000 mg (3g) a day.

>

>

> >

> > p.s. kindly recall that my psychiatrist will not give me a list

of

> > everything I have taken over the past 3 years until late Friday

of

> > this week, so consider whether we have to wait until then to have

> an

> > appointment? I can then send the completed form you require prior

> to

> > appts. >>

>

>

>

> ** I have a number of people in various stages of booking

> consults but the proces is moving so slowly that I don't know where

> it stands with anyone at this point. So, if you could just send

> your history form and times of availability we can set an

> appointment. You can provide the list of srugs later separately.

>

> Thanks.

>

> Regards,

>

>