Re: Re: Ikam - soup

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> I think problem with me is that I often don't care what I eat,

> although these are always three meals a day- if bread with honey is

> a..meal???

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***If you want to recover in any way, you have to care what you eat!

And no, bread with honey is not a meal--in fact, it only makes things

worse.

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Re: Ikam - soup

Hi ,

just quick answer, as I am in my work. My home computer is still

down...

I will defintely send some receipes for soups, I love them. I usually

use chicken or pork as a base.

I have just received a book with Polish dishes, so I will translate

some for you...

I think problem with me is that I often don't care what I eat,

although these are always three meals a day- if bread with honey is

a..meal???>>

** Ikam, I need to be realiastic here. If you don't know that bread

and honey is not a meal, there's really not much we can do to help you.

I DO think you know the difference, though. I think that posting this

way is your way of being a helpless victim of your life.

What you will find on this list that is difficult to find elsewhere is

honesty and challenge. I won't let this kind of drama and dysfunction be

played out here. It's a waste of your time and our time.

You can take this and utilize it for good, or you can use it to further

victimize yourself. Those who really want recovery do the former.

-- In Withdrawal_and_Recovery , Skoog

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> Hi Ikam,

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> Soups are wonderful. They work well with the way we eat here

because it is a way to combine meat, vegetables, and seasonings. It

sounds like soup is easy on your stomach, so it is a good place to

start.

>

> However, the problem with soup is that it makes it so easy to

just eat few bites of meat. I make sure my soups or stews are full of

meat or chicken and vegetables.

>

> Spinach with garlic or spinach soup with egg sounds wonderful.

Those are great side dishes. The egg contained in that type of soup

doesn't provide enough protein to make a meal, though.

>

> Interesting you mention beet soup, or borscht. I've always wanted

to make the kind with a meat stock and added vegetables.

>

> I will have to get some dill to go on the zucchini. That sounds

wonderful. Strawberries and blackberries! Now you are making me

hungry.

>

> Have you joined the social group yet? There should be a link to

join it at the bottom of all our messages. That's where we talk about

recipes.

>

> When you get time maybe you could post a beet soup recipe over

there. I just need general guides, it doesn't have to be exact.

>

> I do use beets in my Italian roasted vegetables, but I'd like to

try a soup. I also want to try parsnips.

>

> Thanks

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Kim, I have realised this for a very first time in my life. And I want to change...And I will...I want to recover. I want to stay alive- this is very new for me... I am back on line... ikamKim wrote: > I think problem with me is that I often don't care what I eat,> although these are always three meals a day- if bread with honey is> a..meal???>***If you want to recover in any way, you

have to care what you eat!And no, bread with honey is not a meal--in fact, it only makes thingsworse.Regards,Kim-- KIM DENISE FINE ARTwww.Kim.comFine Art Giftswww.CafePress.com/Kim

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, your reply has made me feeling sad... Yes, I have only learnt that food I eat is not the best quality...But I still ask questions to people who know more and this is the way of me being honest about my struggle. Do you expect me to learn over night? ikamC Creel wrote: Re: Ikam - soupHi ,just quick answer, as I am in my work. My home computer is stilldown...I will defintely send some receipes for soups, I love them. I usuallyuse chicken or pork as a base.I have just received a book with Polish dishes, so I will translatesome for you...I think problem with me is that I often don't care what I eat,although these are always three meals a day- if bread with honey isa..meal???>>** Ikam, I need to be realiastic here. If you don't know that bread and honey is not a meal, there's really not much we can do to help you.I DO think you know the difference, though. I think that posting this way is your way of being a helpless victim of your life.What you will find

on this list that is difficult to find elsewhere is honesty and challenge. I won't let this kind of drama and dysfunction be played out here. It's a waste of your time and our time.You can take this and utilize it for good, or you can use it to further victimize yourself. Those who really want recovery do the former.-- In Withdrawal_and_Recovery , Skoog wrote:>> Hi Ikam,>> Soups are wonderful. They work well with the way we eat herebecause it is a way to combine meat, vegetables, and seasonings. Itsounds like soup is easy on your stomach, so it is a good place tostart.>> However, the problem with soup is that it makes it so easy tojust eat few bites of meat. I make sure my soups or stews are full ofmeat or chicken and

vegetables.>> Spinach with garlic or spinach soup with egg sounds wonderful.Those are great side dishes. The egg contained in that type of soupdoesn't provide enough protein to make a meal, though.>> Interesting you mention beet soup, or borscht. I've always wantedto make the kind with a meat stock and added vegetables.>> I will have to get some dill to go on the zucchini. That soundswonderful. Strawberries and blackberries! Now you are making mehungry.>> Have you joined the social group yet? There should be a link tojoin it at the bottom of all our messages. That's where we talk aboutrecipes.>> When you get time maybe you could post a beet soup recipe overthere. I just need general guides, it doesn't have to be exact.>> I do use beets in my Italian roasted vegetables, but I'd like totry a soup. I also want to try parsnips.>> Thanks>

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, somehow in my family of origins we did not eat variety of food. My mother cooked only few things...No salads, expect of tomatoes and cucumber. Breakfasts were always with bread and jam, maybe some milky soup. My mother used to make coffee with caffeine with added milk for us... I want to learn, but I need time. And I will ask questions, as this is the only way of finding information from you guys. I have found it quite adventurous to start new way of eating and looking after myself... ikamccreel_04064 wrote: > >> > Hi Ikam,> >> > Soups are wonderful. They work well with the way we eat here> because it is a way to combine meat, vegetables, and seasonings. It> sounds like soup is easy on your stomach, so it is a good place to> start.> >> > However, the problem with soup is that it makes it so easy to> just eat few bites of meat. I make sure my soups or stews are full of> meat or chicken and vegetables.>

>> > Spinach with garlic or spinach soup with egg sounds wonderful.> Those are great side dishes. The egg contained in that type of soup> doesn't provide enough protein to make a meal, though.> >> > Interesting you mention beet soup, or borscht. I've always wanted> to make the kind with a meat stock and added vegetables.> >> > I will have to get some dill to go on the zucchini. That sounds> wonderful. Strawberries and blackberries! Now you are making me> hungry.> >> > Have you joined the social group yet? There should be a link to> join it at the bottom of all our messages. That's where we talk about> recipes.> >> > When you get time maybe you could post a beet soup recipe over> there. I just need general guides, it doesn't have to be exact.> >> > I do use beets in my Italian roasted vegetables, but I'd

like to> try a soup. I also want to try parsnips.> >> > Thanks> > > >> > .> >> >> >> >> >> > ---------------------------------> > How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone> call rates.> >>

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, thank you for the link. I have found a good article about arthritis. Still I don't understand why to avoid bread, potatoes...Can anybody explain to me? I will read of course as much as possible. As I need to KNOW before trying anything. This is a complitely new area for me to research. I like it. I wish I had more time... ikam wrote: Ikam, here's a really good link about the

Paleolithic diet, and there are links off from it to other good sites. Also there are recipes there:http://paleodiet.com/Why not start by trying a new breakfast? I believe that breakfast is the most important meal of the day. It's important to get some nutrition into your body first thing, it sets you up for the rest of the day. If you switch from what you've been having to a Paleo meal, you may be surprised at how much better you feel, almost straight away. No courage needed here, just a willingness to change so that you can get well.A square Paleo meal will have protein, vegetables, and some fat; you can also add other things if you like such as yogurt or fruit. (No bread or sugar, including honey -- though you might be able to add this back in at a later time.) I've had all sorts of things for breakfast, often made up from what I had for dinner the night

before, including roasted meat with vegetables, and meat curry.If this sounds disgusting to you, you might be someone who would prefer to have a shake instead. I don't do shakes but plenty of people here do, and you could ask them about how to make one (I think is one).Do this NOW, Ikam, and you can start feeling better NOW -- you'll be glad you did .

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Read the Paleo information for this explanation.

Re: Re: Ikam - soup

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thank you for the link. I have found a good article about arthritis.

Still I don't understand why to avoid bread, potatoes...Can anybody explain

to me? I will read of course as much as possible. As I need to KNOW before

trying anything.

This is a complitely new area for me to research. I like it. I wish I had

more time...

ikam

wrote:

Ikam, here's a really good link about the Paleolithic diet, and

there are links off from it to other good sites. Also there are

recipes there:

http://paleodiet.com/

Why not start by trying a new breakfast? I believe that breakfast is

the most important meal of the day. It's important to get some

nutrition into your body first thing, it sets you up for the rest of

the day. If you switch from what you've been having to a Paleo meal,

you may be surprised at how much better you feel, almost straight

away. No courage needed here, just a willingness to change so that

you can get well.

A square Paleo meal will have protein, vegetables, and some fat; you

can also add other things if you like such as yogurt or fruit. (No

bread or sugar, including honey -- though you might be able to add

this back in at a later time.) I've had all sorts of things for

breakfast, often made up from what I had for dinner the night

before, including roasted meat with vegetables, and meat curry.

If this sounds disgusting to you, you might be someone who would

prefer to have a shake instead. I don't do shakes but plenty of

people here do, and you could ask them about how to make one (I

think is one).

Do this NOW, Ikam, and you can start feeling better NOW -- you'll be

glad you did

.

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I have been on prozac for 6 years. I was on 40mg for a long time, then was increased to 60mg, then 80mg for a while. I came back down to 60mg for the past three years. I now fear that I have seretonin syndrome. I'm very fatigued, depressed and have severe OCD. Recently I dropped to 40mg (two weeks ago). I told my doctor that I wanted off prozac and he suggested coming off at 10mg increments. I can't focus my thoughts, am having headaches and just feeling really strange. When I told my doc I was concerned about withdrawal symptoms, he said "good luck". Please help. janeC Creel wrote: Read the Paleo information for this explanation. Re: Re: Ikam - soup,thank you for the link. I have found a good article about arthritis.Still I don't understand why to avoid bread, potatoes...Can anybody explain to me? I will read of course as much as possible. As I need to KNOW before trying anything.This is a complitely

new area for me to research. I like it. I wish I had more time...ikam <lindahenge (DOT) org.uk> wrote:Ikam, here's a really good link about the Paleolithic diet, andthere are links off from it to other good sites. Also there arerecipes there:http://paleodiet.com/Why not start by trying a new breakfast? I believe that breakfast isthe most important meal of the day. It's important to get somenutrition into your body first thing, it sets you up for the rest ofthe day. If you switch from what you've been having to a Paleo meal,you may be surprised at how much better you feel, almost straightaway. No courage needed here, just a willingness to change so thatyou can get well.A square Paleo meal will have protein, vegetables, and some fat; youcan also add other things if you like such as yogurt or fruit.

(Nobread or sugar, including honey -- though you might be able to addthis back in at a later time.) I've had all sorts of things forbreakfast, often made up from what I had for dinner the nightbefore, including roasted meat with vegetables, and meat curry.If this sounds disgusting to you, you might be someone who wouldprefer to have a shake instead. I don't do shakes but plenty ofpeople here do, and you could ask them about how to make one (Ithink is one).Do this NOW, Ikam, and you can start feeling better NOW -- you'll beglad you did . __________________________________________________

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Hi , thank you. I have started reading and it makes a lot of sense. I recognise that I am very sensitive to food, I have always been. A lot of food I eat is not so bad. I have never avoided butter, as I don't feel well after maragarine. I use proper oils, etc. I just need to start to avoid certain food that I am used to. Are there any products that are alike bread but healthy? I am not in the best form today, last few days feeling very naseous. I get through periods like this. It is just so unpleasant... But, I am on holidays now, having more relaxed time... Strangely, when I start holidays I usually have problems with stomach and headaches, sometimes even get ill... I printed some more articles, will read to know more about the diet... ikam

wrote: > Still I don't understand why to avoid bread, potatoes...Can anybody explain to me? I will read of course as much as possible. As I need to KNOW before trying anything. > > This is a complitely new area for me to research. I like it. I wish I had more time...Like said, the files here have some of this

info. Here is another link:http://www.earth360.com/diet_paleodiet_balzer.htmlIf you've got the time to come here and post like you have, then presumably you have the time to do a little research on the Paleo diet? It's one of the first things I did when I joined. When I read as much as I could, I then asked questions that the reading raised, or did not answer, and people here were happy to help.Very simply, you need to avoid bombarding your body with simple carbohydrates such as bread, pasta, potatoes, and sugar. You need to ingest complex carbohydrates like vegetables. Also you need the nutrition that meat and other proteins provide. Have a look at the link I've given you here and it will explain this in some more detail, and it also gives a good explanation of why grains, potatoes, and beans are not very good for us to

eat.Also make sure you are taking in healthy fats such as fish oil, extra-virgin olive oil, butter, and almond butter. Your body needs fat in order to function, and it also helps to keep you feeling full. Avoid vegetable oils.How about trusting us in this and doing it, while you're reading up? It works You may miss your favourite foods at first, but after a while you'll feel so much better that you'll be glad to do without them. You may even find some new healthier favourite foods.Best,.

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I am actually looking to the change as to an adventure, as to something very positive. At the moment I have some guests and not much time, but I am going to start soon...NEXT week... I saw the receipes, I read some more. The diet, nutrtions, it makes sense...And getting off the drugs. I have enough of daily "meds" rutine... I am still on holidays, enjoying sun and visiting places that bring very good memories... ikamccreel_04064 wrote: Ikam, the fact that you are so concerned about a bread replacement shows you are addicted to refined carbohydrates. The diet is very simple -- whole, fresh foods in the form of non-processed meats (this means no smoked products either), fresh vegetables, including root vegetables (no potatoes), small amounts of fresh fruits, RAW nuts, no grain, no flour-based products, and no sugar of any type.There are plenty of ideas online for meals. These can be found by doing a search for "low carb meals".You will be pleasantly surprised how much better you feel getting the proper nutrition.Regards,> > > Still I don't understand why to avoid bread, potatoes...Can > anybody explain to me? I will read of course as much as possible. As > I need to KNOW before trying anything. > > > > This is a complitely new area for me to research. I like it. I > wish I had more time...> > Like said, the files here have some of this info. Here is > another link:> > http://www.earth360.com/diet_paleodiet_balzer.html