Guest guest Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 Hi Correction on the paxil dose - it's 30 mg. The only other Rx I take is Ambien - I take a whole 10 mg pill on Sunday and the rest of the week my dose is half or one third of a pill nightly. For the most part I don't take Ambien on Friday and Saturday nights when I can rest the next day if I don't sleep well. Since withdrawing from Paxil the Ambien helps me drift off but I can't stay asleep and have been waking up at either 2:00 or 4:00 am and not going back to sleep. And I wake up afraid - afraid of what I don't know, nothing specific, I just feel afraid. Health in general is good - haven't been this physically healthy in years due to weight loss and walking 2 miles a day. I have been off glucontrol since losing 50 lbs the latter part of last year. I stopped this drug completely in March (at doctor's suggestion). I take supplements - iron (65 mg), progesterone cream (1/4 to 1/2 tsp daily), Fatigued to Fantastic powder - 1 scoop, DHEA - 10 mg, Sam-E (added that in the last couple of weeks since I read about its affect on moods) - sorry I don't know the dose of that off hand and a whole food multi vitamin - I usually only remember to take one of the 3 horse pills recommended. I'm reading your protocol on magnesium, fish oil, etc and will be adding that as well. I am so glad you explained 'If I were to suggest going back on Paxil it wouldn't be because of the trip. It would be because going off the way you did can leave a person with problems that can last many years or even the rest of your life" God, this is so scary. What have these doctors done to me ?????? How can they so cavalierly prescribe this shit??? Symptoms - as mentioned when I wake up in the middle of the night - an overwhelming sense of fear. if I didn't take Ambien I'd never get to sleep, I can't seem to shut my mind off when it's quiet. I seem to be fixated on a rock group I loved back in the 90's, particularly one of the members that died of a heroin overdose. Can't stop reading articles on this guy, watching dvd's - weird. Am overwhelmed by my family to the point I cannot deal with them at all. I don't live with them but they are in the same town. One person who used to be a source of comfort I can't handle at all, not even emails so I just delete them. I'm crying uncontrollably, just can't stop sometimes. I've never been like that. Dark thoughts about myself - wish I hadn't been born. Just lose it when I play a song that has the lyric 'Black is all I feel, so this is how it feels to be free'. Pretty much sums up my situation. I know it's temporary. The music is depressing but also cathartic. Pets that are adored are now annoying, burdensom. Feel like I could put my fist thru a wall over the slightest thing that agitates me. Hands are shaking, nervous. Can't handle long conversations. I just want to be left alone. Restless. I cannot deal with both - the withdrawal and the trip. I can't tell you how afraid I am of a panic attack on the plane. And I'll be by myself. What I'm thinking - go back up to 15 mg paxil, possibly increase to the full dose that a week before and during trip and during then start the withdrawal process once I'm back home. Lastly I took 1/3 pill of paxil yesterday thinking working back up to the half dose would be ok but now I'm concered because of some of the comments you've made. This is not something I can do incorrectly. God bless you for all you do C Creel wrote: Dear , You said:I've been on Paxil or the generic (20 mg) for approximately 12years. At the time I had just gotten out of a multi-yearrelationship and the doctor put me on Paxil for depression.I had been on the wrong thyroid medicine (underactive) for 16years. Another reason doctors put people on this stuff. Theunderactive thyroid mimics many symptoms of depression. The latterpart of last year I lost about 50 lbs and felt so much better soNovember of 2005 I halved my Paxil dosage to 10 mg. In March Idecided to go down to 1/3 of the 20 mg dose and wasn't doing well onthat dosage. Since the end of April I've gone cold turkey. I havethe dark thoughts, depression, anxiety and feel sooo overwhelmed butam dealing with it. I'm also getting alot less sleep. I can't shutthe wheels off in my head when it's so quiet. The dizziness is gonefor the most part.Ok, here's the question. Traveling has always been stressful. Thethought of it makes me panicky. I have to travel at the end ofJuly. I'm wondering if I should go back on paxil and maybe trygetting off it until after I return. I don't want to go thru allthis for nothing.>> ** Are you currently on any other drug, psychotropic or otherwise? If so, please tell me which ones and the doses (I realize you are taking thyroid medication). How's your health in general? If I were to suggest going back on Paxil it wouldn't be because of the trip. It would be because going off the way you did can leave a person with problems that can last many years or even the rest of your life. In most cases, there is a window of opportunity when the drug can be reinstated. After that, in most cases, a person cannot properly metabiloze the drug as they once did. The time frame is within 6 weeks of having stopped it. 12 years is a very long time to take a drug. In 99 out of 100 cases, a person does escape this with just several weeks of withdrawal. You added insult to injury when you suddenly discontinued this drug. I'm not getting a really clear picture of all your symptoms. Could you list them please? Are you currently taking any nutritional supplements? If so, names and doses? Thanks. Regards,(list owner)"Human beings, who are almost unique in havingthe ability to learn from the experience of others,are also remarkable for their apparent disinclinationto do so."-- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 Dear , You said: > > Correction on the paxil dose - it's 30 mg. The only other Rx I take is Ambien - I take a whole 10 mg pill on Sunday and the rest of the week my dose is half or one third of a pill nightly. For the most part I don't take Ambien on Friday and Saturday nights when I can rest the next day if I don't sleep well. Since withdrawing from Paxil the Ambien helps me drift off but I can't stay asleep and have been waking up at either 2:00 or 4:00 am and not going back to sleep. And I wake up afraid - afraid of what I don't know, nothing specific, I just feel afraid. > > Health in general is good - haven't been this physically healthy in years due to weight loss and walking 2 miles a day. > > I have been off glucontrol since losing 50 lbs the latter part of last year. I stopped this drug completely in March (at doctor's suggestion). I take supplements - iron (65 mg), progesterone cream (1/4 to 1/2 tsp daily), Fatigued to Fantastic powder - 1 scoop, DHEA - 10 mg, Sam-E (added that in the last couple of weeks since I read about its affect on moods) - sorry I don't know the dose of that off hand and a whole food multi vitamin - I usually only remember to take one of the 3 horse pills recommended. I'm reading your protocol on magnesium, fish oil, etc and will be adding that as well. > > I am so glad you explained 'If I were to suggest going back on Paxil it wouldn't be because of the trip. It would be because going off the way you did can leave a person with problems that can last many years or even the rest of your life " > God, this is so scary. What have these doctors done to me ?????? How can they so cavalierly prescribe this shit???>> ** It's all about the money. << Symptoms - as mentioned when I wake up in the middle of the night - an overwhelming sense of fear. if I didn't take Ambien I'd never get to sleep, I can't seem to shut my mind off when it's quiet. I seem to be fixated on a rock group I loved back in the 90's, particularly one of the members that died of a heroin overdose. Can't stop reading articles on this guy, watching dvd's - weird. Am overwhelmed by my family to the point I cannot deal with them at all. I don't live with them but they are in the same town. One person who used to be a source of comfort I can't handle at all, not even emails so I just delete them. I'm crying uncontrollably, just can't stop sometimes. I've never been like that. Dark thoughts about myself - wish I hadn't been born. Just lose it when I play a song that has the lyric 'Black is all I feel, so this is how it feels to be free'. Pretty much sums up my situation. I know it's temporary. The music is depressing but also cathartic. Pets that are adored are now annoying, burdensom. Feel like I could put my fist thru a wall over the slightest thing that agitates me. Hands are shaking, nervous. Can't handle long conversations. I just want to be left alone. Restless. >> ** The fear you're experiencing is a spike in cortisol from an unstable autonomic nervous system caused by how you've stopped the drug. All these things you describe are from abrupt withdrawal. << I cannot deal with both - the withdrawal and the trip. I can't tell you how afraid I am of a panic attack on the plane. And I'll be by myself. What I'm thinking - go back up to 15 mg paxil, possibly increase to the full dose that a week before and during trip and during then start the withdrawal process once I'm back home. Lastly I took 1/3 pill of paxil yesterday thinking working back up to the half dose would be ok but now I'm concered because of some of the comments you've made. This is not something I can do incorrectly.>> ** How are you feeling today? If no better, increase by 5 mg. Keep me posted. Regards, Catheerine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2006 Report Share Posted May 16, 2006 <<When I went back on paxil (1/3 of a 30 mg pill) last Thursday (after stopping completely for 2 weeks) I immediately felt better, the symptoms subsided. I've been on a third of a pill since. Now the withdrawal symptoms are coming back. I'm feeling wired, like I'm speeding my ass off and am feeling overwhelmed, stomach is in knots. I think this means I need to increase my dose? >> ** Yes, it does. <<By the way I'm eyeballing the pill and using a knife to cut it into thirds which of course isn't very precise. I'm having a hard time figuring out what I need to take based on the math formula using the syringes. The pharmacists I went to weren't much help. I sense I'll be able to increase my dose faster than if I were decreasing. In my search for syringes I one place gave me one that is 6 cc's. If I just take 2 cc's of that this would be a third of my dose. Of course it gets more complicated if I want to increase my dose and that's where I get confused. Can someone help with the dosages?>> ** At this point, you don't need to know this. You're going to have to go back up to the entire 30 mg or close to it. Take another 10 mg. now for a total of 20 mg. Keep me posted. You most likely will have to go up to 25 or 30 mg. As far as the liquid titration goes, you should ask your doctor to prescribe Paxil in liquid form when you are ready to secrease it. If the doc won't, I can explain the titration to you then. Regards,"Human beings, who are almost unique in havingthe ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 <<When I went back on paxil (1/3 of a 30 mg pill) last Thursday (after stopping completely for 2 weeks) I immediately felt better, the symptoms subsided. I've been on a third of a pill since. Now the withdrawal symptoms are coming back. I'm feeling wired, like I'm speeding my ass off and am feeling overwhelmed, stomach is in knots. I think this means I need to increase my dose? >> ** Yes, it does. <<By the way I'm eyeballing the pill and using a knife to cut it into thirds which of course isn't very precise. I'm having a hard time figuring out what I need to take based on the math formula using the syringes. The pharmacists I went to weren't much help. I sense I'll be able to increase my dose faster than if I were decreasing. In my search for syringes I one place gave me one that is 6 cc's. If I just take 2 cc's of that this would be a third of my dose. Of course it gets more complicated if I want to increase my dose and that's where I get confused. Can someone help with the dosages?>> ** At this point, you don't need to know this. You're going to have to go back up to the entire 30 mg or close to it. Take another 10 mg. now for a total of 20 mg. Keep me posted. You most likely will have to go up to 25 or 30 mg. As far as the liquid titration goes, you should ask your doctor to prescribe Paxil in liquid form when you are ready to secrease it. If the doc won't, I can explain the titration to you then. Regards, " Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. " -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 <<When I went back on paxil (1/3 of a 30 mg pill) last Thursday (after stopping completely for 2 weeks) I immediately felt better, the symptoms subsided. I've been on a third of a pill since. Now the withdrawal symptoms are coming back. I'm feeling wired, like I'm speeding my ass off and am feeling overwhelmed, stomach is in knots. I think this means I need to increase my dose? >> ** Yes, it does. <<By the way I'm eyeballing the pill and using a knife to cut it into thirds which of course isn't very precise. I'm having a hard time figuring out what I need to take based on the math formula using the syringes. The pharmacists I went to weren't much help. I sense I'll be able to increase my dose faster than if I were decreasing. In my search for syringes I one place gave me one that is 6 cc's. If I just take 2 cc's of that this would be a third of my dose. Of course it gets more complicated if I want to increase my dose and that's where I get confused. Can someone help with the dosages?>> ** At this point, you don't need to know this. You're going to have to go back up to the entire 30 mg or close to it. Take another 10 mg. now for a total of 20 mg. Keep me posted. You most likely will have to go up to 25 or 30 mg. As far as the liquid titration goes, you should ask your doctor to prescribe Paxil in liquid form when you are ready to secrease it. If the doc won't, I can explain the titration to you then. Regards, " Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. " -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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