Janna

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Hi Janna, I know you are working with on the particulars of your taper. So I just wanted to offer my support for what you are going through. I know it is very difficult, but you are brave and can do this. It is so totally worth it. In spite of withdrawal, some things started feeling better right away. Like a sense of freedom, and my head cleared up a bit. I also felt better pretty fast because I followed 's suggestions for supplements and nutrition. That gave me strength to face withdrawal. Hugs,

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Dear , thank you so much for the encouragement. it's great to know that some things get better right away ! i am loo9king forward to getting 's suggestions as soon as she is able. i know she is a busy lady!! warmly, Janna Skoog wrote: Hi Janna, I know you are working with on the particulars of your taper. So I just wanted to offer my support for what you are going through. I know it is very difficult, but you are brave and can do this. It is so totally worth it. In spite of withdrawal, some things started feeling better right away. Like a sense of freedom, and my head cleared up a bit. I also felt better

pretty fast because I followed 's suggestions for supplements and nutrition. That gave me strength to face withdrawal. Hugs, New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for low, low rates.

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Dear , thank you for the long and encouraging response. i never realized before just how serious an addiction this is. i take my dose every 4 hours. by the 3rd hour, i feel like i am about ready to crawl out of my skin. i have to almost grit my teeth to stand it. i'm in that hour now. just wishing i knew of something, anything to make the time go by faster. i cant seem to find in the files how much fish oil i am supposed to take daily. i would assume you spread it throughout the day, after each meal. catherine said not to make a drop in the taper until i am stable with the current one. is a one week timetable within reason? and then another 10% drop, right? i want to get thru it as fast as possible, but to not go too fast that would damage my body. i am wondering how you went about making a new

taper. did you lengthen the time between the doses or drop the milligrams? it has worked out the best for me to drop the milligrams and keep the doses at 4 hours. we have a lot of other stresses in our life, mainly financial, that is making this even more stressful. this has to be the 2nd worst time of my life...the worst being chemo and radiation, which as i explained before is how i got addicted in the first place. i know that doesnt justify it...it's just that i didnt have a problem with them before. i did drink a lot of wine though. i dont drink at all now. i just want to be healthy so i feel like playing music. thank you for all your help. warmly, jannaemmaryllis wrote: Hi Janna,You

said:Hello and everyone,just wondering those of you who have been thru opiate withdrawalprocess, ...do you ever feel normal again and lose the cravings?JannaJanna, you will feel better again, although your definition of "normal" may change along the way:) I don't think anyone whowithdraws from any drug really goes back to the way they werebefore. It's a new path.I actually feel much better than I did before my opiate addiction, but it's been necessary for me to make a lot of changes.It's important for me to recognize that the addiction to opiates isexactly that -- a powerful addiction. Yes, I still have cravings atthe most unexpected times, but they get fewer and farther between as time passes. I attend a support group for drug addicts and that hasbeen very helpful for me.I have been an alcoholic in recovery for many years, and to me

theaddictive component of opiates is much more powerful than the alcohol. I do everything I can not to let it sneak up on me. Oncemy taper was finished, I realized I couldn't keep any pills aroundat all. Today I had dental work done and I craved a pill before Iwent. But now the cravings are short and they pass very quickly. At the end of my taper I told myself I would just take the painkillers occasionally when I had migraines. This lasted for exactly one migraine. Within seven days I was back taking one lortab per day. That's when I knew I would always have to be careful and that I had to make a firm commitment to quit. Other addicts have told me the same thing. It won't always be easy. Sometimes the withdrawal is really difficult and you just have to resolve to hang through it. For me, it was helpful to define why I abused the drug and why I wanted

to stop. I realized that I liked myself less and less on drugs and that I was treating myself and others badly. I was just high all day...that was my life. I was tired of it. I am actually glad now for the experience, as it has led to many positive changes in my life.You can do it Janna if you make up your mind and stay resolved. Hugs, __________________________________________________Do You

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<<catherine said not to make a drop in the taper until i am stable

with the current one. is a one week timetable within reason? and

then another 10% drop, right? i want to get thru it as fast as

possible, but to not go too fast that would damage my body.>>

***There is no timetable. I'll say that again....there is no

timetable. Forget about a week, or any other amount of time. You

have to let your body tell you when it is ready.

Stay at this dose until you feel adjusted to it. Then, you make

another reduction. Make the reduction in whatever way you and

discussed.

There is no sense in rushing. You will only cause yourself more

damage and reduce your chance of success.

This process works. It takes some effort, but the results are worth

it. I firmly believe that everyone has the ability to do this if they

want to.

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Dear Janna,

You said:

<<i cant seem to find in the files how much fish oil i am supposed to

take daily. i would assume you spread it throughout the day, after each

meal. >>

** Once or twice a day is fine -- at least 3-5 grams a day.

<<catherine said not to make a drop in the taper until i am stable with the

current one. is a one week timetable within reason? and then another 10%

drop, right?>>

** No. Stop thinking in terms of the calendar. You only make a

decrease when you feel better. That may be 5 days or 5 weeks. Just go by

how you feel. It's the most scientific and safe way to do it. No one can

tell you when you will stabilize from each decrease. Everyone is different

and there are many factors to consider.

<< i want to get thru it as fast as possible, but to not go too fast

that would damage my body. i am wondering how you went about making a new

taper. did you lengthen the time between the doses or drop the milligrams?

it has worked out the best for me to drop the milligrams and keep the doses

at 4 hours.>>

Please don't ask others their experiences and try to do what they did.

You are not them. The only similarity between you and is that you

took the same class of drugs. That's as far as it goes. Biochemical

individuality is unrecognized in conventional medicine which accounts for

the lack of efficacy of conventional medicine, and iatrogenic illness.

Because of your history and current condition, it is important to follow a

plan designed for your body alone.

It would be good to be able to go 5 hours between doses at some point.

I still think that the first goal should be dropping the middle of the night

dose.

Regards,

" Every science touches art at some points while

every art has its scientific side; the worst man

of science is he who is never an artist, and the

worst artist is he who is never a man of science. "

[Armand Trousseau]

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Dear Kim, , and all i am happy to report that today was a totally different animal than the previous days. i made an adjustment to the timing of the dosage as recommended by , it is my 3rd day in this particular taper level, and also, my fish oil came in the mail today. i still dont know how much fish oil to take, so i took 4000mg. something really changed today. perhaps my body is finally adjusting to that first cut i made that i had no idea what the percentage even was since i hadnt been documenting anything previously. any, i am in that last hour and only feel slightly uncomfortable...nothing like yesterday. i cant imagine why they make people go thru that cold turkey business when this is so do-able. i guess i need to feel a little more stable at this level before i do the next taper, but i am so jazzed about how this is working for me. i also have been very tired since i have been tapering, but today, i have much more energy than before. wondering if anyone else has experienced this tiredness on opiate withdrawal? it has been a wonderful day for me, and i feel like saying "hey you bad monkey...i'm winning..." just want to thank everyone here for their continued support and information and esp for making this all possible. now, if our finances would just improve..lol! probably when jupiter goes direct in july. Jannaccreel_04064 wrote: Dear Janna, You said:> > Dear Kim,> i can see that

this process is working. it is hard but i am very commited. i realize from your words that i need to just relax and listen to my body. i guess maybe i was wondering if there is kind of an average time that seems to take for most people?>> ** No, there is no "average"time. This is what we're trying to get across. Biochemical individuality. There are too many different factors for there to be an average time. That's why you have to listen to your body. One person may take 2 months; another may take 2 years.Regards,

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Dear Janna,

You said:

<<

i am happy to report that today was a totally different animal than the

previous days. i made an adjustment to the timing of the dosage as

recommended by , it is my 3rd day in this particular taper level,

and also, my fish oil came in the mail today. i still dont know how much

fish oil to take, so i took 4000mg. >>

** Look back. I did answer this question. You can also find it in

the Basic Healing Protocol in the files. I believe.

<<something really changed today. perhaps my body is finally adjusting to

that first cut i made that i had no idea what the percentage even was since

i hadnt been documenting anything previously. any, i am in that last hour

and only feel slightly uncomfortable...nothing like yesterday. i cant

imagine why they make people go thru that cold turkey business when this is

so do-able. i guess i need to feel a little more stable at this level

before i do the next taper, but i am so jazzed about how this is working for

me. >>

** Excellent.

<<i also have been very tired since i have been tapering, but today, i have

much more energy than before. wondering if anyone else has experienced this

tiredness on opiate withdrawal? >>

** On any withdrawal your body is under stress. This makes people

tired. Plus, you're detoxing.

Regards,

" Every science touches art at some points while

every art has its scientific side; the worst man

of science is he who is never an artist, and the

worst artist is he who is never a man of science. "

[Armand Trousseau]

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Dear , I cant seem to find the info on the fish oil in my previous info. sometimes aol inadevertenly deletes things before i get them printed out. this is what it said in the Basic Healing Protocal file: Fish oil -- Carlson's is a good brand accessible and affordable for most. There is more information on fish oil in our files http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Withdrawal_and_Recovery/files/ when i clicked on the link, it brought me back to the opening menu. Seems as though i remember reading in one of the files 5000 mg of fish oil. Would that be your general suggestion? JannaC Creel wrote: Dear Janna, You said: <<i am happy to report that today was a totally different animal than the previous days. i made an adjustment to the timing of the dosage as recommended by , it is my 3rd day in this particular taper level, and also, my fish oil came in the mail today. i still dont know how much fish oil to take, so i took 4000mg. >> ** Look back. I did answer this question. You can also find it in the Basic Healing Protocol in the files. I believe.<<something really changed today. perhaps my body is finally adjusting to that first cut i made that i had no idea what the percentage even was since i hadnt been documenting anything previously. any, i am in that last hour

and only feel slightly uncomfortable...nothing like yesterday. i cant imagine why they make people go thru that cold turkey business when this is so do-able. i guess i need to feel a little more stable at this level before i do the next taper, but i am so jazzed about how this is working for me. >> ** Excellent.<<i also have been very tired since i have been tapering, but today, i have much more energy than before. wondering if anyone else has experienced this tiredness on opiate withdrawal? >> ** On any withdrawal your body is under stress. This makes people tired. Plus, you're detoxing.Regards,"Every science touches art at some points whileevery art has its scientific side; the worst manof science is he who is never an artist, and theworst artist is he who is never a

man of science."[Armand Trousseau]

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