Re: urinalysis susceptibility test--

[Guest guest]

> Hi ,

>

> I am wondering if I chose the right antibiotic for

> this urinary tract infection. This may be beyond the

> scope of your knowledge, but I thought i'd ask anyway.

> Do you know anything about urinalysis susceptibility tests?>>

** Why are you, instead of a doctor, choosing an antibiotic? I

can't tell you if a proper choice was made unless you give me some

data.

--

Regards,

" Life is not an exact

science, it is an art. "

-- --

[Guest guest]

Dr. originally prescribed Levaquin--I looked it up.

Scary side effects. Then she prescribed MAcrobid. Once

again, bad side effects. So another doctor prescribed

Cipro. So, I guess I can't really say I chose it, but

maybe I pushed him in that direction because there

weren't many other choices (I'm allergic to

penicillin)

Here's what the susceptibility test showed:

(MICs expressed in micrograms per ML)

Cipro S=1

Levofloxacin S<=1

Nitrofurantoin (Macrobid) S<=35

Penicillin S=2

Vancomycin S<=0.5

ANy help you could givein interpreting these results

would be great. My Dr. doesn't seem to know!!

-Lily

--- Creel wrote:

> On 2/11/06, Hates Psychiatrists

> wrote:

> > Hi ,

> >

> > I am wondering if I chose the right antibiotic for

> > this urinary tract infection. This may be beyond

> the

> > scope of your knowledge, but I thought i'd ask

> anyway.

> > Do you know anything about urinalysis

> susceptibility tests?>>

>

>

> ** Why are you, instead of a doctor, choosing

> an antibiotic? I

> can't tell you if a proper choice was made unless

> you give me some

> data.

> --

> Regards,

>

> " Life is not an exact

> science, it is an art. "

> -- --

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I hope I'm not stepping my bounds here and I certainly am no expert, but this was my experience and it may or may not help you, but last week I started to come down with a UTI, but caught it in the first signs of burning, urgency and discomfort and I went to my Natural Food and Vitamin center to see if they had any natural alternative to antibiotics to help me catch this infection before it got out of hand. She suggested I take 1 acidophlus capsule in the morning and 1 acidophulus at bedtime, plus drinking unsweetened cranberry juice. Maybe it was coincidence and maybe not, but I did what she told me starting in the evening and the took acidophulus early in the evening and drank 2 cups of the unsweetened cranberry juice, and then 1 at bedtime and the irritation I had early in the day was gone by evening. She also had me take a homepathetic dissove under the tongue tablets specifically

geared toward bladder irritation. I've been following this regimen all week and my bladder has no irritation and is in fact quite calm for a change. I have overactive bladder and the week before I felt the UTI coming my bladder was spasmodic and causing me irritation. Now, this week my spasms have even calmed down and I haven't had to get up out of bed every hour or so to go to the bathroom. The two things I've been continuing is the acidophulus and the homepathetic dissolvable bladder irritation tablets. The nutritionist in the store said that the acidophulus helps to maintain proper ph levels that can help to prevent UTI's. I don't know , what do you think? I don't want to give incorrect or confusing advice. I just know it worked in my case and thought I would share it Hugs, V. Creel

wrote: > Hi ,>> I am wondering if I chose the right antibiotic for> this urinary tract infection. This may be beyond the> scope of your knowledge, but I thought i'd ask anyway.> Do you know anything about urinalysis susceptibility tests?>> ** Why are you, instead of a doctor, choosing an antibiotic? Ican't tell you if a proper choice was made unless you give me somedata.--Regards,"Life is not an exactscience, it is an art."-- --

[Guest guest]

Thanks, but the research i've done on UTIs and

cranberry juice suggests it's only good for preventing

UTIs, not treating them. I think what it does is keep

the bacteria from adhering to the urinary wall (but

only for certain bacteria, like e coli.)

--- give4good wrote:

> I hope I'm not stepping my bounds here and I

> certainly am no expert, but this was my experience

> and it may or may not help you, but last week I

> started to come down with a UTI, but caught it in

> the first signs of burning, urgency and discomfort

> and I went to my Natural Food and Vitamin center to

> see if they had any natural alternative to

> antibiotics to help me catch this infection before

> it got out of hand.

>

> She suggested I take 1 acidophlus capsule in the

> morning and 1 acidophulus at bedtime, plus drinking

> unsweetened cranberry juice. Maybe it was

> coincidence and maybe not, but I did what she told

> me starting in the evening and the took acidophulus

> early in the evening and drank 2 cups of the

> unsweetened cranberry juice, and then 1 at bedtime

> and the irritation I had early in the day was gone

> by evening.

>

> She also had me take a homepathetic dissove under

> the tongue tablets specifically geared toward

> bladder irritation. I've been following this

> regimen all week and my bladder has no irritation

> and is in fact quite calm for a change.

>

> I have overactive bladder and the week before I

> felt the UTI coming my bladder was spasmodic and

> causing me irritation. Now, this week my spasms

> have even calmed down and I haven't had to get up

> out of bed every hour or so to go to the bathroom.

> The two things I've been continuing is the

> acidophulus and the homepathetic dissolvable bladder

> irritation tablets. The nutritionist in the store

> said that the acidophulus helps to maintain proper

> ph levels that can help to prevent UTI's.

>

> I don't know , what do you think? I don't

> want to give incorrect or confusing advice. I just

> know it worked in my case and thought I would share

> it

>

> Hugs,

> V.

>

> Creel wrote:

> On 2/11/06, Hates Psychiatrists

> wrote:

> > Hi ,

> >

> > I am wondering if I chose the right antibiotic for

> > this urinary tract infection. This may be beyond

> the

> > scope of your knowledge, but I thought i'd ask

> anyway.

> > Do you know anything about urinalysis

> susceptibility tests?>>

>

>

> ** Why are you, instead of a doctor, choosing

> an antibiotic? I

> can't tell you if a proper choice was made unless

> you give me some

> data.

> --

> Regards,

>

> " Life is not an exact

> science, it is an art. "

> -- --

>

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[Guest guest]

** Dear Lily,

You said:

> Dr. originally prescribed Levaquin--I looked it up.

> Scary side effects. Then she prescribed MAcrobid. Once

> again, bad side effects. So another doctor prescribed

> Cipro. So, I guess I can't really say I chose it, but

> maybe I pushed him in that direction because there

> weren't many other choices (I'm allergic to

> penicillin)

>

> Here's what the susceptibility test showed:

>

> (MICs expressed in micrograms per ML)

> Cipro S=1

> Levofloxacin S<=1

> Nitrofurantoin (Macrobid) S<=35

> Penicillin S=2

> Vancomycin S<=0.5

>

> ANy help you could givein interpreting these results

> would be great. My Dr. doesn't seem to know!!>>

** What do you mean your doctor doesn't seem to know? Did the

doctor say that? If so, you need another physician. Actually, you

need another physician anyway. Levofloxacin should not have been a

choice, nevermind the first choice. Any result lower than 13 on this

drug indicates the bacteria is resistant to the drug. In fact, other

than Vancomycin, this would be the least desirable drug for this

infection. Run, don't walk, to another physician.

The only one indicated as useful by this test is Macrobid.

ALL antibiotics are very dangerous drugs. They are just not

thought of that way because they are so often prescribed. You are

best off using the antibiotic that works for the bacteria. You'll

take it for 7 days twice a day (100 mg., right?). It will take care

of the problem. You'll need to use some good probiotics with these

pills.

BTW, I've repeatedly seen cranberry juice and probiotics kill a UTI.

The trials done by conventional medicine use cranberry cocktail juice

not actual unsweetened cranberry juice.

Regards,

>

> -Lily

>

> --- Creel wrote:

>

> > On 2/11/06, Hates Psychiatrists

> > wrote:

> > > Hi ,

> > >

> > > I am wondering if I chose the right antibiotic for

> > > this urinary tract infection. This may be beyond

> > the

> > > scope of your knowledge, but I thought i'd ask

> > anyway.

> > > Do you know anything about urinalysis

> > susceptibility tests?>>

> >

> >

> > ** Why are you, instead of a doctor, choosing

> > an antibiotic? I

> > can't tell you if a proper choice was made unless

> > you give me some

> > data.

> > --

> > Regards,

> >

> > " Life is not an exact

> > science, it is an art. "

> > -- --

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, . So are you saying the enterococcus

is resistant to Vancomycin? They reported it as

Vancomycin susceptible. I'm confused.

Yes, Macrobid was prescribed 100mg twice a day, not

sure for how many days.

--- Creel wrote:

> ** Dear Lily,

>

>

> You said:

>

>

> > Dr. originally prescribed Levaquin--I looked it

> up.

> > Scary side effects. Then she prescribed MAcrobid.

> Once

> > again, bad side effects. So another doctor

> prescribed

> > Cipro. So, I guess I can't really say I chose it,

> but

> > maybe I pushed him in that direction because there

> > weren't many other choices (I'm allergic to

> > penicillin)

> >

> > Here's what the susceptibility test showed:

> >

> > (MICs expressed in micrograms per ML)

> > Cipro S=1

> > Levofloxacin S<=1

> > Nitrofurantoin (Macrobid) S<=35

> > Penicillin S=2

> > Vancomycin S<=0.5

> >

> > ANy help you could givein interpreting these

> results

> > would be great. My Dr. doesn't seem to know!!>>

>

>

> ** What do you mean your doctor doesn't seem

> to know? Did the

> doctor say that? If so, you need another physician.

> Actually, you

> need another physician anyway. Levofloxacin should

> not have been a

> choice, nevermind the first choice. Any result

> lower than 13 on this

> drug indicates the bacteria is resistant to the

> drug. In fact, other

> than Vancomycin, this would be the least desirable

> drug for this

> infection. Run, don't walk, to another physician.

>

>

> The only one indicated as useful by this test is

> Macrobid.

>

>

> ALL antibiotics are very dangerous drugs. They

> are just not

> thought of that way because they are so often

> prescribed. You are

> best off using the antibiotic that works for the

> bacteria. You'll

> take it for 7 days twice a day (100 mg., right?).

> It will take care

> of the problem. You'll need to use some good

> probiotics with these

> pills.

>

>

> BTW, I've repeatedly seen cranberry juice and

> probiotics kill a UTI.

> The trials done by conventional medicine use

> cranberry cocktail juice

> not actual unsweetened cranberry juice.

>

> Regards,

>

>

>

>

> >

> > -Lily

> >

> > --- Creel

> wrote:

> >

> > > On 2/11/06, Hates Psychiatrists

> > > wrote:

> > > > Hi ,

> > > >

> > > > I am wondering if I chose the right antibiotic

> for

> > > > this urinary tract infection. This may be

> beyond

> > > the

> > > > scope of your knowledge, but I thought i'd ask

> > > anyway.

> > > > Do you know anything about urinalysis

> > > susceptibility tests?>>

> > >

> > >

> > > ** Why are you, instead of a doctor,

> choosing

> > > an antibiotic? I

> > > can't tell you if a proper choice was made

> unless

> > > you give me some

> > > data.

> > > --

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > " Life is not an exact

> > > science, it is an art. "

> > > -- --

> > >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

<<> Thanks, . So are you saying the enterococcus

> is resistant to Vancomycin? They reported it as

> Vancomycin susceptible. I'm confused.>>

** After reading this, I went to the FDA drug approval site and

looked up Levaquin. Here's what it said:

>17 -- susceptible

14-16 Intermediate

<13 -- resistant

Who reported it as Vancomycin susceptible? Was that the

doctor's interpretation? If this were true then it would have make no

sense at all for Macrobid and Levoquin to be prescribed -- especially

Macrobid that tests as <35. They all have " S " after them. I believe

it is being used as an overall label - susceptibility as opposed to

susceptible.

Regards,

>

> Yes, Macrobid was prescribed 100mg twice a day, not

> sure for how many days.

>

> --- Creel wrote:

>

> > ** Dear Lily,

> >

> >

> > You said:

> >

> >

> > > Dr. originally prescribed Levaquin--I looked it

> > up.

> > > Scary side effects. Then she prescribed MAcrobid.

> > Once

> > > again, bad side effects. So another doctor

> > prescribed

> > > Cipro. So, I guess I can't really say I chose it,

> > but

> > > maybe I pushed him in that direction because there

> > > weren't many other choices (I'm allergic to

> > > penicillin)

> > >

> > > Here's what the susceptibility test showed:

> > >

> > > (MICs expressed in micrograms per ML)

> > > Cipro S=1

> > > Levofloxacin S<=1

> > > Nitrofurantoin (Macrobid) S<=35

> > > Penicillin S=2

> > > Vancomycin S<=0.5

> > >

> > > ANy help you could givein interpreting these

> > results

> > > would be great. My Dr. doesn't seem to know!!>>

> >

> >

> > ** What do you mean your doctor doesn't seem

> > to know? Did the

> > doctor say that? If so, you need another physician.

> > Actually, you

> > need another physician anyway. Levofloxacin should

> > not have been a

> > choice, nevermind the first choice. Any result

> > lower than 13 on this

> > drug indicates the bacteria is resistant to the

> > drug. In fact, other

> > than Vancomycin, this would be the least desirable

> > drug for this

> > infection. Run, don't walk, to another physician.

> >

> >

> > The only one indicated as useful by this test is

> > Macrobid.

> >

> >

> > ALL antibiotics are very dangerous drugs. They

> > are just not

> > thought of that way because they are so often

> > prescribed. You are

> > best off using the antibiotic that works for the

> > bacteria. You'll

> > take it for 7 days twice a day (100 mg., right?).

> > It will take care

> > of the problem. You'll need to use some good

> > probiotics with these

> > pills.

> >

> >

> > BTW, I've repeatedly seen cranberry juice and

> > probiotics kill a UTI.

> > The trials done by conventional medicine use

> > cranberry cocktail juice

> > not actual unsweetened cranberry juice.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > -Lily

> > >

> > > --- Creel

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > > On 2/11/06, Hates Psychiatrists

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Hi ,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am wondering if I chose the right antibiotic

> > for

> > > > > this urinary tract infection. This may be

> > beyond

> > > > the

> > > > > scope of your knowledge, but I thought i'd ask

> > > > anyway.

> > > > > Do you know anything about urinalysis

> > > > susceptibility tests?>>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ** Why are you, instead of a doctor,

> > choosing

> > > > an antibiotic? I

> > > > can't tell you if a proper choice was made

> > unless

> > > > you give me some

> > > > data.

> > > > --

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > " Life is not an exact

> > > > science, it is an art. "

> > > > -- --

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > __________________________________________________

> > >

[Guest guest]

It says on the urinalysis report: " This isolate is

vancomycin-susceptible. "

--- Creel wrote:

> On 2/12/06, Hates Psychiatrists

> wrote:

>

>

> <<> Thanks, . So are you saying the

> enterococcus

> > is resistant to Vancomycin? They reported it as

> > Vancomycin susceptible. I'm confused.>>

>

>

> ** After reading this, I went to the FDA drug

> approval site and

> looked up Levaquin. Here's what it said:

>

>

> >17 -- susceptible

> 14-16 Intermediate

> <13 -- resistant

>

>

> Who reported it as Vancomycin susceptible?

> Was that the

> doctor's interpretation? If this were true then it

> would have make no

> sense at all for Macrobid and Levoquin to be

> prescribed -- especially

> Macrobid that tests as <35. They all have " S " after

> them. I believe

> it is being used as an overall label -

> susceptibility as opposed to

> susceptible.

>

> Regards,

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Yes, Macrobid was prescribed 100mg twice a day,

> not

> > sure for how many days.

> >

> > --- Creel

> wrote:

> >

> > > ** Dear Lily,

> > >

> > >

> > > You said:

> > >

> > >

> > > > Dr. originally prescribed Levaquin--I looked

> it

> > > up.

> > > > Scary side effects. Then she prescribed

> MAcrobid.

> > > Once

> > > > again, bad side effects. So another doctor

> > > prescribed

> > > > Cipro. So, I guess I can't really say I chose

> it,

> > > but

> > > > maybe I pushed him in that direction because

> there

> > > > weren't many other choices (I'm allergic to

> > > > penicillin)

> > > >

> > > > Here's what the susceptibility test showed:

> > > >

> > > > (MICs expressed in micrograms per ML)

> > > > Cipro S=1

> > > > Levofloxacin S<=1

> > > > Nitrofurantoin (Macrobid) S<=35

> > > > Penicillin S=2

> > > > Vancomycin S<=0.5

> > > >

> > > > ANy help you could givein interpreting these

> > > results

> > > > would be great. My Dr. doesn't seem to

> know!!>>

> > >

> > >

> > > ** What do you mean your doctor doesn't

> seem

> > > to know? Did the

> > > doctor say that? If so, you need another

> physician.

> > > Actually, you

> > > need another physician anyway. Levofloxacin

> should

> > > not have been a

> > > choice, nevermind the first choice. Any result

> > > lower than 13 on this

> > > drug indicates the bacteria is resistant to the

> > > drug. In fact, other

> > > than Vancomycin, this would be the least

> desirable

> > > drug for this

> > > infection. Run, don't walk, to another

> physician.

> > >

> > >

> > > The only one indicated as useful by this

> test is

> > > Macrobid.

> > >

> > >

> > > ALL antibiotics are very dangerous drugs.

> They

> > > are just not

> > > thought of that way because they are so often

> > > prescribed. You are

> > > best off using the antibiotic that works for the

> > > bacteria. You'll

> > > take it for 7 days twice a day (100 mg.,

> right?).

> > > It will take care

> > > of the problem. You'll need to use some good

> > > probiotics with these

> > > pills.

> > >

> > >

> > > BTW, I've repeatedly seen cranberry juice and

> > > probiotics kill a UTI.

> > > The trials done by conventional medicine use

> > > cranberry cocktail juice

> > > not actual unsweetened cranberry juice.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > -Lily

> > > >

> > > > --- Creel

>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > On 2/11/06, Hates Psychiatrists

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > Hi ,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am wondering if I chose the right

> antibiotic

> > > for

> > > > > > this urinary tract infection. This may be

> > > beyond

> > > > > the

> > > > > > scope of your knowledge, but I thought i'd

> ask

> > > > > anyway.

> > > > > > Do you know anything about urinalysis

> > > > > susceptibility tests?>>

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ** Why are you, instead of a doctor,

> > > choosing

> > > > > an antibiotic? I

> > > > > can't tell you if a proper choice was made

> > > unless

> > > > > you give me some

> > > > > data.

> > > > > --

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > " Life is not an exact

> > > > > science, it is an art. "

> > > > > -- --

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> __________________________________________________

> > > >

[Guest guest]

> It says on the urinalysis report: " This isolate is

> vancomycin-susceptible. " >>

** What do the others say -- the same thing but with different

numbers (as you indicated) by them?

If they all say " susceptible " it is being used a a general term with

the numeral being that which defines how effective the antibiotic will

be. In that case,the Macrobid is best as I stated before. If it is

written that Macrobid is resistant, then the entire scale is reversed

and I cannot comment any further. However, I believe it is the former

not the latter that we're dealing with here.

C

>

> --- Creel wrote:

>

> > On 2/12/06, Hates Psychiatrists

> > wrote:

> >

> >

> > <<> Thanks, . So are you saying the

> > enterococcus

> > > is resistant to Vancomycin? They reported it as

> > > Vancomycin susceptible. I'm confused.>>

> >

> >

> > ** After reading this, I went to the FDA drug

> > approval site and

> > looked up Levaquin. Here's what it said:

> >

> >

> > >17 -- susceptible

> > 14-16 Intermediate

> > <13 -- resistant

> >

> >

> > Who reported it as Vancomycin susceptible?

> > Was that the

> > doctor's interpretation? If this were true then it

> > would have make no

> > sense at all for Macrobid and Levoquin to be

> > prescribed -- especially

> > Macrobid that tests as <35. They all have " S " after

> > them. I believe

> > it is being used as an overall label -

> > susceptibility as opposed to

> > susceptible.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Yes, I think they are all supposed to be " susceptible. " Thst's what

the urinalysis indicates anyway.

Thanks!

>

>

> > It says on the urinalysis report: " This isolate is

> > vancomycin-susceptible. " >>

>

>

> ** What do the others say -- the same thing but with different

> numbers (as you indicated) by them?

>

>

> If they all say " susceptible " it is being used a a general term with

> the numeral being that which defines how effective the antibiotic will

> be. In that case,the Macrobid is best as I stated before. If it is

> written that Macrobid is resistant, then the entire scale is reversed

> and I cannot comment any further. However, I believe it is the former

> not the latter that we're dealing with here.