Guest guest Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 Dear Del, Herbert said it should be " sodium ascorbate " powder, not calcium ascorbate. Was that a typo in your post? Your friend may not have good success without " good " fats, which are very important for good bowel function and digestion. Bee Del wrote: > This is interesting. I have a friend that has MS and is struggling > with constipation. I passed on to her what you said in your post > here and she told me that she tried that last year. Getting up to 15 > grams of calcium ascorbate to reach tolerance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 No, it wasn't a typo in my post. I will ask her if she meant to say sodium ascorbate and get back with you. Del > > This is interesting. I have a friend that has MS and is struggling > > with constipation. I passed on to her what you said in your post > > here and she told me that she tried that last year. Getting up to > 15 > grams of calcium ascorbate to reach tolerance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 I was away from home for 3 weeks recently and had to eat " normal food " . I tried to eat as much salads and things that would conform to a diet for candida but it was pretty difficult. As a result, after a couple weeks I developed a horrible rash, mostly on my legs. I've been back on my restricted diet for a couple weeks now and the rash has subsided but now I have a horrible case of constipation. I'll take diarrhea over this any day! I'll have to try the calcium-magnesium in more volume; I've been taking some but probably not enough. I might also try the coffee enemas, which I've never done before. That should be interesting! :-) Zack On Mon, 21 Mar 2005, Jeanne Vaughn wrote: > > > --- Barb <barb1283@...> wrote: > > I > > have to be careful as small amount or certain types > > of magnesium gave me diahrea. > > That certainly solves the mystery. > > I've been taking extra magnesium for three days now, > and I have diahrea. If it doesn't go away in a week or > so, I'll cut back on it. I started taking a gram of > magnesium to try and achieve a 2:1 ratio with the two > grams of calcium I take (for osteopenia). > > Thanks! > > Jeanne > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 Hi Zack, Mega doses of vitamin C might work better for you than a combo of cal & mag. Take 1,000 mgs. every hr. until you get loose stools. It worked within 1 day for my mother when she was 83 years old. Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 My magnesium that I have no problem with has more magnesium than calcium but I know balancing these two minerals can be tricky and different with different people (and maybe different times?). > > Hello H, > > This is interesting. I have a friend that has MS and is struggling > with constipation. I passed on to her what you said in your post > here and she told me that she tried that last year. Getting up to 15 > grams of calcium ascorbate to reach tolerance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 and Patty, I have tried initially the mild of magnesia, then the Mirilax, and now the magnesium citrate - Kirkmans. On the back of my Mirilax, it stated " not to be given to children. " I was reccommended the Mirilax by my son's pediatrician about three months ago, also it was the generic type (Glyco) so you might want to check to see if your prescrption is different. We had some negative effects from the m.o.m. (perhaps the saline in it, not sure) and also the Mirilax, caused a fair amount of dehydration, something we were already battling. The magnesium citrate is working well, not too much to start - we are using 1/4 tsp.- at night in juice. OJ works good but quite acidic. My niece, who is neurotypical, took about six months to regulate, who knew! Karey Heim, mother to Luke, 5.7, Carson, 4.1, and Madeline, one year today!!!!! > > Patty ( I hope that is right) > > My son has just turned five and we have had the same problems with pooping. I took him to a gastroenologist last April. She suggested giving my son 1oz. of magnesium citrate a day. This will make his stool softer and he would be unable to hold it. We did this for 10 months. We recently moved to Denver and I went to a new gastro. He suggested Miralex. I was scared to put him on it because I have heard the negative things also. But my son was still able to hold his BM and I was getting so worried. We started him on Miralex in February. So far so good. He has a BM daily and even though he tries to hold, I can usually get him on the potty and he will go. It's a step but both gastros that I've talked to say it can take 1-2 years to get these children regular. It is a long battle that I am still in. > > Good Luck, > > > mom of 5yrs. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Hi Karey, Constipation appears to be the up till CHERAB one of the unspoken signs of today's children with multifaceted communication impairments like apraxia. First late to potty train, possibly due to low tone or motor planning or other reasons beyond the child's control -then constipation once they are trained/training. I now really suspect that the constipation we are seeing in many of the children here may be due to the motor planning impairment aspect. On command it's hard for apraxics to task. Due to this, they sit on the toilet and can't go which leads to the constipation. The constipation may be based on physiological aspects, however once they go through the pain of being constipated even once, it also probably becomes partly psychological -so behavioral methods do appear to work with this aspect partly. For the motor planning aspect, one way I taught Tanner to push, which again appears to be hard to do on command for apraxics -is to tell him to take a deep breath -then try to push the air out of his belly button. I can report that after years of the horrors of dealing with Tanner's constipation -that he appears now to be 100% resolved at 8 years old for over a year! Being you all can track this in the archives (if you were really bored) you will find that this appears to be 100% due to the advice of Lawrence MD (pediatric gastroenterologist) that I share below in the archive. Lawrence MD (pediatric gastroenterologist) 5325 Greenwood Ave West Palm Beach Florida 561 840 1960 The only thing that Tanner drinks just a little bit of each day to help prevent constipation for about a year now is POM juice -which we went to from the nectars. Have never discussed this with Dr. yet who we don't have to see anymore -but there really is some very interesting information on POM. Main website http://www.pomwonderful.com/ History http://www.pomwonderful.com/history.asp Scientific Studies using POM Wonderful pomegranate juice http://www.pomwonderful.com/health_studies.asp Not sure why POM's working to prevent constipation -perhaps it really 'is' magical! So wanted to let you and everyone know that there is much hope for this aspect to be overcome fully -and..even without drugs. (which may be best) You wrote: " We had some negative effects from the m.o.m. (perhaps the saline in it, not sure) " ' Milk of Magnesia (MOM) also known as MAGNESIUM HYDROXIDE and magnesium citrate that you are now using are both examples of saline laxatives. http://www.medicinenet.com/laxatives_for_constipation/page8.htm Out of all the laxatives -the milk of magnesia (MOM) was recommended by our son's pediatric gastroenterologist Dr. Larry from West Palm Beach as the most gentle to the system. It is the only one as well with no major side effects -mainly just diarrhea. " ' Milk of Magnesia has provided effective, stimulant-free relief of constipation for over 125 years. Unlike some other laxatives, doctor recommended ' Milk of Magnesia does not contain the harsh stimulants that can cause pain and cramping. When taken at a lower dose, ' can also be used for fast-acting relief of acid indigestion, sour stomach, and heartburn. Available in Mint, Cherry, and Original formulas. " http://www.bayercare.com/htm/philmom.htm What side effects did you see? What you are using now, Magnesium citrate, is the generic name -some of the brand names of this drug would be " Evac-Q-Mag®, Citro-Nesia®, and Citroma® " and unlike MOM -the side effects one would need to report would include " Unlikely but report promptly: muscle twitching or cramping, muscle weakness, decrease or absence of bowel movements, blood in stool, mental/mood changes, dizziness. " Here is info on all three you have used: GENERIC NAME: MAGNESIUM HYDROXIDE - ORAL (mag-NEE-zee-um hi-DROX-ide) BRAND NAME(S): ' Milk of Magnesia SIDE EFFECTS: This medication may cause diarrhea. If diarrhea persists or worsens, inform your doctor. Notify your doctor if the following effects occur: black/tarry stools or rectal bleeding. If you notice other effects not listed above, contact your doctor or pharmacist. http://www.medicinenet.com/magnesium_hydroxide-oral/article.htm GENERIC NAME: MAGNESIUM CITRATE - ORAL (mag-NEE-zee-um- SYE-trate) BRAND NAME(S): Citroma SIDE EFFECTS: Stomach pain, nausea, gas, or diarrhea may occur. If these effects persist or worsen, notify your doctor. Unlikely but report promptly: muscle twitching or cramping, muscle weakness, decrease or absence of bowel movements, blood in stool, mental/mood changes, dizziness. If you notice other effects not listed above, contact your doctor or pharmacist. http://www.medicinenet.com/magnesium_citrate-oral/article.htm GENERIC NAME: POLYETHYLENE GLYCOL (PEG) 3350 - ORAL (paw-lee-ETH-ih- leen GLY-coll) BRAND NAME(S): Miralax SIDE EFFECTS: Nausea, abdominal cramping, or gas may occur. If any of these effects persist or worsen, notify your doctor or pharmacist promptly. Remember that your doctor has prescribed this medication because the benefit to you is greater than the risk of side effects. Many people using this medication do not have serious side effects. Inform your doctor immediately if you have excessive number of bowel movements and persistent diarrhea while using this medication. A very serious allergic reaction to this drug is unlikely, but seek immediate medical attention if it occurs. Symptoms of a serious allergic reaction may include: rash, itching, swelling, severe dizziness, trouble breathing. If you notice other effects not listed above, contact your doctor or pharmacist. http://www.medicinenet.com/polyethylene_glycol_peg_3350-oral/article.htm Archive (long): From: " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@...> Date: Mon Apr 26, 2004 10:52 pm Subject: Re: constipation - what kind of nectar? Hi Tricia -sorry I missed your call and not sure if it's too late to call you now. We mainly use pear nectar and fruit cups, and papaya nectar and Dole Fruit 'n Gels®, Reduced Sugar, Papaya in Peach Gel Problem is even though they are still in our stores here in Florida - I don't see them on the Dole website which means they may be discontinued and soon to be missing from store shelves? (NO!) http://www.dole.com/foodservice/products/pack.fruitngel.jsp I had asked Tanner's doctor, Dr. why more MDs don't recommend nutritional interventions to the constipation and he said " And how long did I just spend with you? " Yes it took a few hours! Anyway -you guys can know all I do in a few minutes -(the time it takes to write a prescription) and just in case you are interested - I have Dr. contact information below. I highly recommend him. Lawrence MD (pediatric gastroenterologist MD) 5325 Greenwood Ave West Palm Beach Florida 561 840 1960 Here are a few archives with more information on this. From: " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@...> Date: Sat Feb 7, 2004 7:19 pm Subject: Re: high fiber regression/constipation Hi Joanne, I first thought of aloe too, and then found the senna tea to work for Tanner, but when I posted it here was told how bad senna is for children and especially with long term use. (thank you!!) The advice I heard here was confirmed by Tanner's pediatric gastroenterologist Dr. from West Palm Beach Florida. Dr. who told me that senna, and harsh stimulants like it (which include aloe) are harsh on the body, and that they may work for a bit, but you will gradually need more and more for it to work. Dr. advised me that the gentlest laxative is the Milk of Magnesia because it just draws moisture to the bowels and works the most like mother nature. Tanner likes the cherry flavored Milk of Magnesia. MOM is " stimulant free " " ' Milk of Magnesia has provided effective, stimulant-free relief of constipation for over 125 years. Unlike some other laxatives, doctor recommended ' Milk of Magnesia does not contain the harsh stimulants that can cause pain and cramping. When taken at a lower dose, ' can also be used for fast-acting relief of acid indigestion, sour stomach, and heartburn. Available in Mint, Cherry, and Original formulas. " http://www.bayercare.com/htm/philmom.htm And what you need to read about aloe: FDA Rules that Aloe & Cascara Are Not Safe as Stimulant Laxatives Date November 20, 2002 Details The FDA issued a final ruling on Nov 5, 2002, stating that the stimulant laxative ingredients aloe (including extract and flower extract) and cascara sagrada (including all fluidextracts, bark and casanthranol) in over-the-counter drug products are not generally recognized as safe and effective or are misbranded. The FDA pointed out that there is inadequate data on the toxicity of aloe and cascara sagrada. These products have not been shown to be safe and effective for their intended use. These ingredients should be eliminated from general use within 180 days http://www.mskcc.org/mskcc/html/12015.cfm " herbal teas containing senna, aloe, buckthorn, and other plant- derived laxatives that, when consumed in excessive amounts, can cause diarrhea, vomiting, nausea, stomach cramps, chronic constipation, fainting, and perhaps death. " http://www.pueblo.gsa.gov/cic_text/health/teatime/597_tea.html And again -an archive about what the traditional gastroenterologist Dr. " prescribed " for Tanner which is working (just wish he didn't have to drink nectar every day!): " This also may have to do with some signaling problem or motor planning aspect. Not sure -but who cares when anyone just about anywhere can pick up pear nectar or Dole papaya fruit and gel bowls! This works -and we love Dr. !! > Today I took Tanner to see pediatric gastroenterologist Lawrence > MD from Palm Beach Florida for Tanner's problem with > constipation which we have been trying to help him with now for the > past 5 years or more with various MDs (Tanner is now 7) Up till now > nobody has wanted to put Tanner on medications -and since we've > moved we haven't taken Tanner to see his NJ/NY MDs. I highly > recommend Dr. if you are in Florida in that he took over an > hour with us -was excellent with Tanner (very funny) and was very > open to discussing off the wall theories on constipation in apraxic > children -a best kept secret even though it's known for autism. Dr. > has many patients with special needs -some with severe CP > whose parents have to blend fruits for their constipation that they > can put through their feeding tube. > > Here is a brief summery from the prescription he gave me: > > Diet: Nectars (fruit juices) Papaya, pear, apricot (if he can > stand it -can mix with others but try plain nectar first) > * prune juice -can be mixed with orange juice (since most kids don't > like it) > > exotic fruits- figs, dates, apricot, papaya (papaya underlined > twice) (if he can stand it -like the nectars -these work wonders he > said) > > limit -banana, apple, rice, dairy > > Milk of Magnesia 2-3 tablespoons with glass of water any time he > skips 1 day. Works 4-8 hours. > > Behavior Modification -10 minutes daily -no distractions. Use > calendar stickers -every week reward for amount of BMs > 2/ week something small > 3-4 medium > 5-7 large reward > > Dr. said that there is a chance that the problem could be > motor planning -but he can't fix that -his goal is to get Tanner on > a schedule for a long period of time so that he starts going > automatically. He doesn't want me to use the Nature's Tea due to > the senna in it -said it can cause dependence in long term use, and > said that due to what I reported with Tanner's regression with too > much fiber not to use high fiber either. He said it is possible > that the fiber is cutting short the fatty acids in the gut. " From: " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@...> Date: Wed Dec 3, 2003 9:37 pm Subject: Re: constipation/ new info on Probiotic - Hi -lots more on this in the archives. Dr. is a traditional pediatric gastroenterologist MD too -go figure! Lawrence MD 5325 Greenwood Ave West Palm Beach Florida 561 840 1960 Tanner is picky about which nectar he'll drink or it's " ewww " he loves the pear nectar from a company from Belgium called Looza which I'm dreading our local stores stop stocking and have already spoken personally to about 4 store managers to beg them to keep carrying it, and a papaya nectar from s " all natural " that looks like someone bottles it in their garage and drives it to the store themselves -not sure if it's distributed anywhere else: s Tropical Plantation 6550 Okeechobee Blvd West Palm Beach, FL 33411-2798 United States Mr. Henry s President Tel: 561-683-4701 Fax: 561-683-4993 Hey just looked up Looza online and apparently it's owned by Tropicana which is not far from me either! http://www.copyshark.com/samples/TropWSamples2.html I send Tanner to school with these little cans of Libby pear nectar and a dole fruit and gel with papaya (that he actually likes but is now getting sick of) We give him some nectar for breakfast, some for lunch -at least twice a day. Speaking of bananas which he used to love -I stopped buying them all the time like I did before -we've cut down his rice and milk -and that's about it. If he misses a day we give him 3 tablespoons of the strawberry Milk of Magnesia like Dr. suggested, and it works -but that's not often he misses now. Speaking of missing -you must have missed my answer to you! " From: " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@...> Date: Sun Nov 16, 2003 2:15 am Subject: Re: constipation Wow thanks for this comprehensive lesson about the gut! I just wanted to add that in a nutshell -out of our couple of hour appointment with pediatric gastroenterologist Lawrence MD from Palm Beach Florida, we covered much of what you talked about. I just want to clarify that Dr. did not recommend juice, and that I can tell you that for Tanner juice did not work. Dr. recommended the nectars -specifically papaya, pear, apricot etc.... We use a mixture of pear, papaya and mango nectar -heavy on the pear. Here is a bit about each: " Fresh papaya is probably the finest healing food in the world. It is anti-inflammatory, detoxifying, has enzymes which can decompose toxic matter, and help digest foods eaten so as to get more nutrients out of them for feeding the cells of the body. It is literally the finest anti aging food known and can even help prevent wrinkles... Pear nectar flushes the liver gallbladder, removes gout and other acid accumulation and prevents constipation. Two 6 oz glasses a day between meals is the appropriate amount for most individuals. " http://www.timeforhealth.com/foods.html ... " There was much more on that one, and here is from another archived message: " Many of our kids (sorry all the potty training stage people to break this to you) that potty trained as a group a bit later (around 4) due to the muscle control weakness from the low tone(it's not in their control) then have constipation problems for the same reason - constipation. Based on how well and quick this worked -I'm guessing that there may be some psychological fear aspects that are at play in our kids too. They have a painful experience (you know what I mean if you know what I mean) and then they are afraid to go so they hold it in. This also may have to do with some signaling problem or motor planning aspect. Not sure -but who cares when anyone just about anywhere can pick up pear nectar or Dole papaya fruit and gel bowls! This works -and we love Dr. !! > Today I took Tanner to see pediatric gastroenterologist Lawrence > MD from Palm Beach Florida for Tanner's problem with > constipation which we have been trying to help him with now for the > past 5 years or more with various MDs (Tanner is now 7) Up till now > nobody has wanted to put Tanner on medications -and since we've > moved we haven't taken Tanner to see his NJ/NY MDs. I highly > recommend Dr. if you are in Florida in that he took over an > hour with us -was excellent with Tanner (very funny) and was very > open to discussing off the wall theories on constipation in apraxic > children -a best kept secret even though it's known for autism. Dr. > has many patients with special needs -some with severe CP > whose parents have to blend fruits for their constipation that they > can put through their feeding tube. > > Here is a brief summery from the prescription he gave me: > > Diet: Nectars (fruit juices) Papaya, pear, apricot (if he can > stand it -can mix with others but try plain nectar first) > * prune juice -can be mixed with orange juice (since most kids don't > like it) > > exotic fruits- figs, dates, apricot, papaya (papaya underlined > twice) (if he can stand it -like the nectars -these work wonders he > said) > > limit -banana, apple, rice, dairy > > Milk of Magnesia 2-3 tablespoons with glass of water any time he > skips 1 day. Works 4-8 hours. > > Behavior Modification -10 minutes daily -no distractions. Use > calendar stickers -every week reward for amount of BMs > 2/ week something small > 3-4 medium > 5-7 large reward > > Dr. said that there is a chance that the problem could be > motor planning -but he can't fix that -his goal is to get Tanner on > a schedule for a long period of time so that he starts going > automatically. He doesn't want me to use the Nature's Tea due to > the senna in it -said it can cause dependence in long term use, and > said that due to what I reported with Tanner's regression with too > much fiber not to use high fiber either. He said it is possible > that the fiber is cutting short the fatty acids in the gut. From: " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@...> Date: Sun Dec 14, 2003 11:32 am Subject: Re: constipation Hi ! Tanner is tired of the gels too. But I was told by Dr. that we need to keep him on a daily regimen of going every day for at least a few months to have the best possible chance of getting him regular. Like Tanner -your children are old enough to have this explained to them. So like it or not -Tanner is forced to drink the nectars and eat the gel -and not just once a day either. He needs nectar at least two to three times a day for it to work -and it's working (so worth it). Dr. told me " at some point you will get lax about it -and he'll get constipated again -and once he does -it will start all over. I'm just warning you because I see it happen. " I know why he said this -most parents don't listen. Don't have to warn me twice - there is no way in heck I want to be standing with a phone in my hand wondering if I should call 911 while my son is crying and screaming in extreme pain sitting on the toilet after I've tried all I could think of to get it out and Glenn wasn't home. You don't know until you know. How do we keep him from getting bored? When you go to a restaurant - ask them to make a fancy fruit mix drink for your child and put all the fancy umbrellas and fruits in it like it's a mixed drink -they don't use nectars -but they typically make them very sweet for the kids. Then when you get home -buy a bunch of different nectars and fruit juices and mix saying you will try to make the same thing for them. This is what we did and it worked. Now I typically just give Tanner the pear and papaya nectar mixed -heavy on the pear since he likes the taste of that more (and it also works) Again -if Tanner misses a day -he gets 3 tablespoons of Strawberry Flavored Milk of Magnesia -like other kids he hated the mint -he loves the strawberry -and I also saw they have chocolate -but didn't try it since I know Tanner likes the one we have. Dr. told me " Don't travel without the Milk of Magnesia, don't forget to bring it with you if you are going on vacation " and we won't! Not every store carries the Strawberry -the only flavor I know for sure Tanner likes. For those of you that don't have pear or papaya nectar by you -I'd call and see if you can order it online. I just checked net grocer http://www.netgrocer.com and they carry pear and papaya nectar, but not the brand we use -Looza. Tanner loves the Looza nectars -but we also use the Kerns and Goya when we travel which they have. They have the Dole fruit gels (I'd call and ask if they have papaya - didn't see it but maybe they can get it? They also have the Milk of Magnesia in chocolate and french vanilla -two flavors we haven't tried - and they even had papaya babyfood! Hmm -I haven't tried that one either -glad I looked for you guys!) Perhaps for variety? Tanner too doesn't like fresh or dried papaya. ===== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Hi, All On the constipation issue, wrote: For the motor planning aspect, one way I taught Tanner to push, which again appears to be hard to do on command for apraxics -is to tell him to take a deep breath -then try to push the air out of his belly button. It was very difficult to teach Josh to blow (he's still getting the hang of blowing out candles and, boy, are those blows juicy!) so I couldn't imagine trying to get him to blow " out of his belly button " (although that is a good idea - I tell flute students to fill their belly button with air - breathing from the diaphragm - and breath from there). So, to help with pushing (which I agree is a very difficult muscular task for kids with apraxia and low muscle tone) when going potty, we had him say the " eieio " from Old Mac and we would do an example with making a funny pushing kind of voice - he picked that up very quickly and, really, we haven't had a constipation problem (except when he doesn't eat enough veggies or fruit - like sometimes on vacations when we aren't too careful about our own diets) in probably three years (he'll be 7 in a month). Oh, yeah, we also never went the route of giving laxatives or milk of magnesia or any of that - just went the " natural " way of using a bit of prune, pear, or apricot juice mixed in with his apple (loved that) or even using prune juice as a liquid in recipes for things like pancakes and stuff. Adding bran to muffin recipes or even meatloaf also helped. Just some other thoughts. Sherry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Hi Sherry! Tanner had oral apraxia so needed to be taught how to blow bubbles, blow out candles, smile etc. so know what you mean. http://www.cherab.org/information/speechlanguage/oralapraxia.html This was different. When I would tell Tanner to just push from outside the bathroom door -he would say " I can't " Apraxia doesn't always make sense - and what works for apraxia doesn't always either. Also, not all apraxic children go through constipation -but many do. Nobody knows the cause but brain stem signaling, motor planning, gut reasons are all theories. So it isn't all about the push -but partly. Sherry it sounds like yours was lucky in that was never an aspect. Other than prune juice -juice doesn't work for those who have children that do suffer from constipation -needs to be nectar. I appreciate there are other ways that work -but speech wasn't a great way to encourage Tanner if he was already frustrated -even a simple EIEIO song. Sometimes what works for Tanner may or may not work for others -but he appears in history here to be pretty typical. For whatever reason -as abstract as " take a deep breath Tanner, hold it, and then try to push the air out of your belly button " sounds -it worked well for him -so may work for at least some others. My theory (which may not be based in reality) is that once the lungs are completely full of air -it's kind of hard not to push the right way -it's like a domino effect. I'm a toy inventor by trade, so look at problems/the world differently then most (which I think is a good thing) and try to find answers that are child appropriate -and relatable to a child like mine. This was the best way I could come up with to try to help teach a child to push from outside the bathroom door. I mean how else do you teach it when a child says they can't? Try it -take a deep breath in...then try 'not' to push the right way. ===== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 I believe the reason Karey is using the magnessium citrate from Kirkmans is for the magnessium supplementation, not just for constipation issue, a side benefit but is being given for magnessium intake. Her son has MTHFR, which lends to impaired overall nutritional deficiencies such as the slew of b's and magnessium calcium metabolism, the citrate form is to ease constipation and in nowwhere near the dose you mention in Citroma. Kirkmans mag citrate has a MUCH lower mag content than those over the counter meds mentioned.Th kirkmans mag citrate amount Karey is using is 100mg of magnessium, versus 1200 mg of magnessium in a childs 6-11 dose of MOM. Just an FYI. > > " We had some negative effects from the > m.o.m. (perhaps the saline in it, not sure) " > > ' Milk of Magnesia (MOM) also known as MAGNESIUM HYDROXIDE > and magnesium citrate that you are now using are both examples of > saline laxatives. > http://www.medicinenet.com/laxatives_for_constipation/page8.htm > > Out of all the laxatives -the milk of magnesia (MOM) was > recommended by our son's pediatric gastroenterologist Dr. Larry > from West Palm Beach as the most gentle to the system. It is > the only one as well with no major side effects -mainly just > diarrhea. > > " ' Milk of Magnesia has provided effective, stimulant-free > relief of constipation for over 125 years. Unlike some other > laxatives, doctor recommended ' Milk of Magnesia does not > contain the harsh stimulants that can cause pain and cramping. When > taken at a lower dose, ' can also be used for fast-acting > relief of acid indigestion, sour stomach, and heartburn. Available > in Mint, Cherry, and Original formulas. " > http://www.bayercare.com/htm/philmom.htm > > What side effects did you see? > > What you are using now, Magnesium citrate, is the generic name - some > of the brand names of this drug would be " Evac-Q-Mag®, Citro- Nesia®, > and Citroma® " and unlike MOM -the side effects one would need to > report would include " Unlikely but report promptly: muscle twitching > or cramping, muscle weakness, decrease or absence of bowel > movements, blood in stool, mental/mood changes, dizziness. " > > Here is info on all three you have used: > > GENERIC NAME: MAGNESIUM HYDROXIDE - ORAL (mag-NEE-zee-um hi-DROX- ide) > BRAND NAME(S): ' Milk of Magnesia > SIDE EFFECTS: This medication may cause diarrhea. If diarrhea > persists or worsens, inform your doctor. Notify your doctor if the > following effects occur: black/tarry stools or rectal bleeding. If > you notice other effects not listed above, contact your doctor or > pharmacist. > http://www.medicinenet.com/magnesium_hydroxide-oral/article.htm > > GENERIC NAME: MAGNESIUM CITRATE - ORAL (mag-NEE-zee-um- SYE-trate) > BRAND NAME(S): Citroma > SIDE EFFECTS: Stomach pain, nausea, gas, or diarrhea may occur. If > these effects persist or worsen, notify your doctor. Unlikely but > report promptly: muscle twitching or cramping, muscle weakness, > decrease or absence of bowel movements, blood in stool, mental/mood > changes, dizziness. If you notice other effects not listed above, > contact your doctor or pharmacist. > http://www.medicinenet.com/magnesium_citrate-oral/article.htm > > GENERIC NAME: POLYETHYLENE GLYCOL (PEG) 3350 - ORAL (paw-lee-ETH-ih- > leen GLY-coll) > BRAND NAME(S): Miralax > SIDE EFFECTS: Nausea, abdominal cramping, or gas may occur. If any > of these effects persist or worsen, notify your doctor or pharmacist > promptly. Remember that your doctor has prescribed this medication > because the benefit to you is greater than the risk of side effects. > Many people using this medication do not have serious side effects. > Inform your doctor immediately if you have excessive number of bowel > movements and persistent diarrhea while using this medication. A > very serious allergic reaction to this drug is unlikely, but seek > immediate medical attention if it occurs. Symptoms of a serious > allergic reaction may include: rash, itching, swelling, severe > dizziness, trouble breathing. If you notice other effects not listed > above, contact your doctor or pharmacist. > http://www.medicinenet.com/polyethylene_glycol_peg_3350- oral/article.htm > > Archive (long): > > From: " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@y...> > Date: Mon Apr 26, 2004 10:52 pm > Subject: Re: constipation - what kind of nectar? > > Hi Tricia -sorry I missed your call and not sure if it's too late to > call you now. > > We mainly use pear nectar and fruit cups, and papaya nectar and Dole > Fruit 'n Gels®, Reduced Sugar, Papaya in Peach Gel > Problem is even though they are still in our stores here in Florida - > I don't see them on the Dole website which means they may be > discontinued and soon to be missing from store shelves? (NO!) > http://www.dole.com/foodservice/products/pack.fruitngel.jsp > > I had asked Tanner's doctor, Dr. why more MDs don't recommend > nutritional > interventions to the constipation and he said " And how long did I > just spend with you? " Yes it took a few hours! Anyway -you guys can > know all I do in a few minutes -(the time it takes to write a > prescription) > and just in case you are interested - > I have Dr. contact information below. I highly recommend him. > > Lawrence MD (pediatric gastroenterologist MD) > 5325 Greenwood Ave > West Palm Beach Florida > 561 840 1960 > > Here are a few archives with more information on this. > > From: " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@y...> > Date: Sat Feb 7, 2004 7:19 pm > Subject: Re: high fiber regression/constipation > > Hi Joanne, > > I first thought of aloe too, and then found the senna tea to work > for Tanner, but when I posted it here was told how bad senna is for > children and especially with long term use. (thank you!!) > > The advice I heard here was confirmed by Tanner's pediatric > gastroenterologist Dr. from West Palm Beach Florida. > > Dr. who told me that senna, and harsh stimulants like it > (which include aloe) are harsh on the body, and that they may work > for a bit, but you will gradually need more and more for it to > work. > > Dr. advised me that the gentlest laxative is the Milk > of Magnesia because it just draws moisture to the bowels and works > the most like mother nature. Tanner likes the cherry flavored Milk > of Magnesia. MOM is " stimulant free " > > " ' Milk of Magnesia has provided effective, stimulant-free > relief of constipation for over 125 years. Unlike some other > laxatives, doctor recommended ' Milk of Magnesia does not > contain the harsh stimulants that can cause pain and cramping. When > taken at a lower dose, ' can also be used for fast-acting > relief of acid indigestion, sour stomach, and heartburn. Available > in Mint, Cherry, and Original formulas. " > http://www.bayercare.com/htm/philmom.htm > > > And what you need to read about aloe: > > FDA Rules that Aloe & Cascara Are Not Safe as Stimulant Laxatives > > Date > November 20, 2002 > > > Details > The FDA issued a final ruling on Nov 5, 2002, stating that the > stimulant laxative ingredients aloe (including extract and flower > extract) and cascara sagrada (including all fluidextracts, bark and > casanthranol) in over-the-counter drug products are not generally > recognized as safe and effective or are misbranded. The FDA pointed > out that there is inadequate data on the toxicity of aloe and > cascara sagrada. These products have not been shown to be safe and > effective for their intended use. These ingredients should be > eliminated from general use within 180 days > http://www.mskcc.org/mskcc/html/12015.cfm > > " herbal teas containing senna, aloe, buckthorn, and other plant- > derived laxatives that, when consumed in excessive amounts, can > cause diarrhea, vomiting, nausea, stomach cramps, chronic > constipation, fainting, and perhaps death. " > http://www.pueblo.gsa.gov/cic_text/health/teatime/597_tea.html > > > And again -an archive about what the traditional gastroenterologist > Dr. " prescribed " for Tanner which is working (just wish he > didn't have to drink nectar every day!): > > " This also may have to do with some signaling problem or motor > planning aspect. Not sure -but who cares when anyone just about > anywhere can pick up pear nectar or Dole papaya fruit and gel > bowls! This works -and we love Dr. !! > > > Today I took Tanner to see pediatric gastroenterologist Lawrence > > MD from Palm Beach Florida for Tanner's problem with > > constipation which we have been trying to help him with now for > the > > past 5 years or more with various MDs (Tanner is now 7) Up till > now > > nobody has wanted to put Tanner on medications -and since we've > > moved we haven't taken Tanner to see his NJ/NY MDs. I highly > > recommend Dr. if you are in Florida in that he took over an > > hour with us -was excellent with Tanner (very funny) and was very > > open to discussing off the wall theories on constipation in > apraxic > > children -a best kept secret even though it's known for autism. > Dr. > > has many patients with special needs -some with severe CP > > whose parents have to blend fruits for their constipation that > they > > can put through their feeding tube. > > > > Here is a brief summery from the prescription he gave me: > > > > Diet: Nectars (fruit juices) Papaya, pear, apricot (if he can > > stand it -can mix with others but try plain nectar first) > > * prune juice -can be mixed with orange juice (since most kids > don't > > like it) > > > > exotic fruits- figs, dates, apricot, papaya (papaya underlined > > twice) (if he can stand it -like the nectars -these work wonders > he > > said) > > > > limit -banana, apple, rice, dairy > > > > Milk of Magnesia 2-3 tablespoons with glass of water any time he > > skips 1 day. Works 4-8 hours. > > > > Behavior Modification -10 minutes daily -no distractions. Use > > calendar stickers -every week reward for amount of BMs > > 2/ week something small > > 3-4 medium > > 5-7 large reward > > > > Dr. said that there is a chance that the problem could be > > motor planning -but he can't fix that -his goal is to get Tanner > on > > a schedule for a long period of time so that he starts going > > automatically. He doesn't want me to use the Nature's Tea due to > > the senna in it -said it can cause dependence in long term use, > and > > said that due to what I reported with Tanner's regression with too > > much fiber not to use high fiber either. He said it is possible > > that the fiber is cutting short the fatty acids in the gut. " > > From: " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@y...> > Date: Wed Dec 3, 2003 9:37 pm > Subject: Re: constipation/ new info on Probiotic - > > Hi -lots more on this in the archives. Dr. is a > traditional pediatric gastroenterologist MD too -go figure! > Lawrence MD > 5325 Greenwood Ave > West Palm Beach Florida > 561 840 1960 > > Tanner is picky about which nectar he'll drink or it's " ewww " he > loves the pear nectar from a company from Belgium called Looza which > I'm dreading our local stores stop stocking and have already spoken > personally to about 4 store managers to beg them to keep carrying > it, and a papaya nectar from s " all natural " that looks like > someone bottles it in their garage and drives it to the store > themselves -not sure if it's distributed anywhere else: > > s Tropical Plantation > 6550 Okeechobee Blvd > West Palm Beach, FL 33411-2798 > United States > > Mr. Henry s > President > Tel: 561-683-4701 > Fax: 561-683-4993 > > Hey just looked up Looza online and apparently it's owned by > Tropicana which is not far from me either! > http://www.copyshark.com/samples/TropWSamples2.html > > I send Tanner to school with these little cans of Libby pear nectar > and a dole fruit and gel with papaya (that he actually likes but is > now getting sick of) > > We give him some nectar for breakfast, some for lunch -at least > twice a day. Speaking of bananas which he used to love -I stopped > buying them all the time like I did before -we've cut down his rice > and milk -and that's about it. If he misses a day we give him 3 > tablespoons of the strawberry Milk of Magnesia like Dr. > suggested, and it works -but that's not often he misses now. > > Speaking of missing -you must have missed my answer to you! > > " From: " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@y...> > Date: Sun Nov 16, 2003 2:15 am > Subject: Re: constipation > > > Wow thanks for this comprehensive lesson about the gut! > > I just wanted to add that in a nutshell -out of our couple of hour > appointment with pediatric gastroenterologist Lawrence MD from > Palm Beach Florida, we covered much of what you talked about. > > I just want to clarify that Dr. did not recommend juice, and > that I can tell you that for Tanner juice did not work. Dr. > recommended the nectars -specifically papaya, pear, apricot etc.... > We use a mixture of pear, papaya and mango nectar -heavy on the > pear. Here is a bit about each: > " Fresh papaya is probably the finest healing food in the world. It > is anti-inflammatory, detoxifying, has enzymes which can decompose > toxic matter, and help digest foods eaten so as to get more > nutrients out of them for feeding the cells of the body. It is > literally the finest anti aging food known and can even help prevent > wrinkles... > Pear nectar flushes the liver gallbladder, removes gout and other > acid accumulation and prevents constipation. Two 6 oz glasses a day > between meals is the appropriate amount for most individuals. " > http://www.timeforhealth.com/foods.html ... " > > There was much more on that one, and here is from another archived > message: > > " Many of our kids (sorry all the potty training stage people to break > this to you) that potty trained as a group a bit later (around 4) > due to the muscle control weakness from the low tone(it's not in > their control) then have constipation problems for the same reason - > constipation. > > Based on how well and quick this worked -I'm guessing that there may > be some psychological fear aspects that are at play in our kids > too. They have a painful experience (you know what I mean if you > know what I mean) and then they are afraid to go so they hold it in. > > This also may have to do with some signaling problem or motor > planning aspect. Not sure -but who cares when anyone just about > anywhere can pick up pear nectar or Dole papaya fruit and gel > bowls! This works -and we love Dr. !! > > > Today I took Tanner to see pediatric gastroenterologist Lawrence > > MD from Palm Beach Florida for Tanner's problem with > > constipation which we have been trying to help him with now for > the > > past 5 years or more with various MDs (Tanner is now 7) Up till > now > > nobody has wanted to put Tanner on medications -and since we've > > moved we haven't taken Tanner to see his NJ/NY MDs. I highly > > recommend Dr. if you are in Florida in that he took over an > > hour with us -was excellent with Tanner (very funny) and was very > > open to discussing off the wall theories on constipation in > apraxic > > children -a best kept secret even though it's known for autism. > Dr. > > has many patients with special needs -some with severe CP > > whose parents have to blend fruits for their constipation that > they > > can put through their feeding tube. > > > > Here is a brief summery from the prescription he gave me: > > > > Diet: Nectars (fruit juices) Papaya, pear, apricot (if he can > > stand it -can mix with others but try plain nectar first) > > * prune juice -can be mixed with orange juice (since most kids > don't > > like it) > > > > exotic fruits- figs, dates, apricot, papaya (papaya underlined > > twice) (if he can stand it -like the nectars -these work wonders > he > > said) > > > > limit -banana, apple, rice, dairy > > > > Milk of Magnesia 2-3 tablespoons with glass of water any time he > > skips 1 day. Works 4-8 hours. > > > > Behavior Modification -10 minutes daily -no distractions. Use > > calendar stickers -every week reward for amount of BMs > > 2/ week something small > > 3-4 medium > > 5-7 large reward > > > > Dr. said that there is a chance that the problem could be > > motor planning -but he can't fix that -his goal is to get Tanner > on > > a schedule for a long period of time so that he starts going > > automatically. He doesn't want me to use the Nature's Tea due to > > the senna in it -said it can cause dependence in long term use, > and > > said that due to what I reported with Tanner's regression with too > > much fiber not to use high fiber either. He said it is possible > > that the fiber is cutting short the fatty acids in the gut. > > From: " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@y...> > Date: Sun Dec 14, 2003 11:32 am > Subject: Re: constipation > > Hi ! > > > Tanner is tired of the gels too. But I was told by Dr. that > we need to keep him on a daily regimen of going every day for at > least a few months to have the best possible chance of getting him > regular. Like Tanner -your children are old enough to have this > explained to them. So like it or not -Tanner is forced to drink the > nectars and eat the gel -and not just once a day either. He needs > nectar at least two to three times a day for it to work -and it's > working (so worth it). > > Dr. told me " at some point you will get lax about it -and > he'll get constipated again -and once he does -it will start all > over. I'm just warning you because I see it happen. " I know why he > said this -most parents don't listen. Don't have to warn me twice - > there is no way in heck I want to be standing with a phone in my > hand wondering if I should call 911 while my son is crying and > screaming in extreme pain sitting on the toilet after I've tried all > I could think of to get it out and Glenn wasn't home. You don't > know until you know. > > How do we keep him from getting bored? When you go to a restaurant - > ask them to make a fancy fruit mix drink for your child and put all > the fancy umbrellas and fruits in it like it's a mixed drink -they > don't use nectars -but they typically make them very sweet for the > kids. Then when you get home -buy a bunch of different nectars and > fruit juices and mix saying you will try to make the same thing for > them. This is what we did and it worked. Now I typically just give > Tanner the pear and papaya nectar mixed -heavy on the pear since he > likes the taste of that more (and it also works) Again -if Tanner > misses a day -he gets 3 tablespoons of Strawberry Flavored Milk of > Magnesia -like other kids he hated the mint -he loves the > strawberry -and I also saw they have chocolate -but didn't try it > since I know Tanner likes the one we have. Dr. told me " Don't > travel without the Milk of Magnesia, don't forget to bring it with > you if you are going on vacation " and we won't! Not every store > carries the Strawberry -the only flavor I know for sure Tanner likes. > > For those of you that don't have pear or papaya nectar by you -I'd > call and see if you can order it online. I just checked net grocer > http://www.netgrocer.com and they carry pear and papaya nectar, but > not the brand we use -Looza. Tanner loves the Looza nectars -but we > also use the Kerns and Goya when we travel which they have. They > have the Dole fruit gels (I'd call and ask if they have papaya - > didn't see it but maybe they can get it? They also have the Milk of > Magnesia in chocolate and french vanilla -two flavors we haven't > tried - and they even had papaya babyfood! Hmm -I haven't tried > that one either -glad I looked for you guys!) Perhaps for variety? > Tanner too doesn't like fresh or dried papaya. > > ===== > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Hi Sherry, My son too suffers from bouts of constipation but when I went to the biofeeback classes at St. Barnabas, they recommended I place a bench under his feet so that his feet did not dangle off the toilet. With his feet stable, his posture in an L shape, he had an easier time releasing his BMs. all the best, joanne ---------------------------------------------------- This mailbox protected from junk email by MailFrontier Desktop from MailFrontier, Inc. http://info.mailfrontier.com [ ] Re: constipation > > > Hi Sherry! > > Tanner had oral apraxia so needed to be taught how to blow bubbles, > blow out candles, smile etc. so know what you mean. > http://www.cherab.org/information/speechlanguage/oralapraxia.html > > This was different. > > When I would tell Tanner to just push from outside the bathroom > door -he would say " I can't " Apraxia doesn't always make sense - > and what works for apraxia doesn't always either. > > Also, not all apraxic children go through constipation -but many > do. Nobody knows the cause but brain stem signaling, motor > planning, gut reasons are all theories. So it isn't all about the > push -but partly. Sherry it sounds like yours was lucky in that was > never an aspect. > > Other than prune juice -juice doesn't work for those who have > children that do suffer from constipation -needs to be nectar. > > I appreciate there are other ways that work -but speech wasn't a > great way to encourage Tanner if he was already frustrated -even a simple > EIEIO > song. Sometimes what works for Tanner may or may not work for > others -but he appears in history here to be pretty typical. For > whatever reason -as abstract as " take a deep breath Tanner, hold it, > and then try to push the air out of your belly button " sounds -it > worked well for him -so may work for at least some others. > > My theory (which may not be based in reality) is that once the lungs > are completely full of air -it's kind of hard not to push the right > way -it's like a domino effect. I'm a toy inventor by trade, so > look at problems/the world differently then most (which I think is a > good thing) and try to find answers that are child appropriate -and > relatable to a child like mine. > > This was the best way I could come up with to try to help teach a > child to push from outside the bathroom door. I mean how else do > you teach it when a child says they can't? > > Try it -take a deep breath in...then try 'not' to push the right way. > > ===== > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 , I am not currently using the philips M.O.M., as I said we had some adverse side effects. The Kirkmans my son using has only the 100mg, as Colleen posted my son has the MTHFR mutation and we are using per the Jill protocol. The best benefit of, in addition to the nutritional deficiency of magnesium that my son experiences, has been the bm movements, regular and complete. It is the only thing that has worked for us, and I agree, natural, if you can do it, is best. The magnesium citrate is only the purest form which are tested for heavy metals, and no other chemicals are present, thank goodness. The magnesium oxide does tend to mildly firm stools, whereas the citrate tends to loosen the stools a bit. The other ingredients in the Kirkmans in addition to the magnesium citrate is citric acid, vs. the M.O.M. which has flavor, mineral oil, purified water, saccharin sodium, and sodium hypochlorite (from the label). At any rate, my son eats a lot of fruits and vegetables, and they just don't seem to help quite as much. I have also tried the juices, the red in the POM exacerbated my son's exzema, just a personal experience. At least I liked the juice too and could drink it! So we are hopeful that since he has been having daily bm's, albeit at inopportune times (!) like this am before OT, it is coming along. I had no idea before talking with Colleen and being a member of this group that he even had any bowel issues, he seemed to have daily bm's, but now I realize their relationship to his body, they seemed to just be pushed out by fullness rather than really emptying fully, if you know what I mean! So kudos to having this bm issue out in the open, it really does make a difference. Karey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Hello and all, Well I don't know quite how comments were interpreted as " anger, " if you call explaining what works for a parent's child, who is super chemically sensitive, angry...I was by no means saying that a parent should/should not use anything in particular, and merely posted what worked for us! To hear knowledge that you don't agree with is better than to hear no new information at all, in my book. To be alarmed by the protocol, I was surpised when quoted that " it caught my eye " regarding magnesium citrate once a day, since the protocol has been posted many, many times on our group. At any rate, I did not see or feel the anger, and hope that everyone assumes, as always, that we all post what works for us, share info., and have good dialogue, and of course, use what we can and discard what we cannot without judging. Karey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2005 Report Share Posted July 16, 2005 > My son has been on the Houston enzymes for about 3 weeks. In the past > week he has been constipated. > Could this been due to the enzymes even though he wasn't for the first > two weeks on them? It is possible, especially if he eats foods or supplements that tend to be constipating even with enzymes. Ideas here http://www.danasview.net/constip.htm Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2005 Report Share Posted July 16, 2005 > > In the past week he has been constipated.Could this been due to the enzymes even though he wasn't for the first two weeks on them? It may be just the body re-adjusting and now you can re-evaulate his nutritional intake. Since you are giving just a 1/2 capsule, try increasing the dose to a full capsule. Also, has his food choices change any? If he is eating more or differently than before, it could be the food mix is more constipating in general. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 dont have concrete answers to your question, however, my son will under go colon cleansing in the hosp (he is chronic constip and impacted). im hoping that by clearing him out good, things will begin flowing smoothly. i still, however, plan on making an appt with dr krigsman for a scope. vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 Hi... I am an occupational therapist working with a 6 yr old adopted from Russia at 13 mos... who has some sensory integration issues as well as chronic constipation. She has been on many laxative and suppository programs and her mother is having a GI consult this week. We are hoping that there may be some other route (as opposed to having a whole GI workup/colonoscopy etc) to try... I'm wondering of any info you might have regarding specific constipation with SI dysfunction... I've read there are exercises that may help?? Thanks > > > In the past week he has been constipated.Could this been due to the > enzymes even though he wasn't for the first two weeks on them? > > It may be just the body re-adjusting and now you can re-evaulate his > nutritional intake. Since you are giving just a 1/2 capsule, try > increasing the dose to a full capsule. Also, has his food choices > change any? If he is eating more or differently than before, it could > be the food mix is more constipating in general. > > . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 ~ Each child is different. My 4yo who has chronic constipation since 2 months of age has mild SI issues, but has hypotonia, chronic ear infections-lots of antibiotics before tubes, and looking back-a lot of gut issues. Hopefully the child will have a abdomen x-ray and complete stool samples checking for bacteria, parasites and yeast. My local ped and ped gastro said my child should have diarrhea if he had any of these. We are going to my ASD's DAN doctor for additional help.....ordering of the tests. Here is what has worked for us once the bowel was cleansed out. Fish oil- 1 tsp 2x's a day, multi vitamin mineral with no iron in it but a good amount of magnesium-we use Kirkman Labs, Metegenics Probiotics and AFP Peptizyde and No Fenol enzymes. Oh, we also use Benefiber 2 x's a day 1TBS in the AM and 1 TBS in the PM. You need to keep things slippery in there. We were on Miralax for over a year with not much success and a lot of behavioral side effects and recommend to stay away from that long term. If this is recommended..... read the insert. 2 weeks max with a break of at least 2-4 weeks and this was for adults.... not tested in children, but physicians use this in peds all the time. HTH some. Jackie H.--- wrote:Hi... I am an occupational therapist working with a 6 yr old adopted from Russia at 13 mos... who has some sensory integration issues as well as chronic constipation. She has been on many laxative and suppository programs and her mother is having a GI consult this week. We are hoping that there may be some other route (as opposed to having a whole GI workup/colonoscopy etc) to try... I'm wondering of any info you might have regarding specific constipation with SI dysfunction... I've read there are exercises that may help?? --------------------------------- Start your day with - make it your home page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 > > Hi... I am an occupational therapist working with a 6 yr old adopted from Russia at 13 > mos... who has some sensory integration issues as well as chronic constipation. Constipation ideas http://www.danasview.net/constip.htm Magnesium works for my family. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Greetings ~ I am sorry not to have an answer to your question. I do have a question for you and it's simply out of curiosity. The child you spoke of was adopted from Russia---did the parents have the child immunized here, too? Seems there are a great many adopted children from about the landscape that the peds recommend they be immunized as if they had never received one in the country they came from. Thanks~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Bee, I have read that kefir can be used both to help with constipation and with diarhea. A culture that is 18 hours will aid in constipation and a longer culture...left for about 36 to 48 hours is good to help bind you if you have diarhea. I am having a bit of trouble with constipation right now too mostly because I drank so much cranberry juice for a few days trying to get rid of my bladder infection. This gave me diarhea for a few days and now things are not quite back to working order. I have had almost no problems with constipation for years though...but maybe my body is also missing my oatmeal for breakfast. Also I have heard and used this...drink cold liquid before going to bed (lots) and then a hot drink in the morning. Kate __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 There is a Folder on Digestion in the files which contains information on constipation. Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 Risperadal is known to cause constipation in kids with typical GI systems, so when our kids get hit with a new med like this, it can aggrevate an already tough issue. Do you use the natural calm, powder magnesium that you dissolve and then either have them drink or I just syringe it into Brittany's mouth. The Raspberry Lemon is much better than the normal flavor. That has really helped, also, we reduced the zyme prime and saw an improvement with just the AFP peptizide and no phenol. Good luck. zoelle1995 <ashikino@...> wrote: Hi, Machaela is 10 and the past month or so we have been running into constapation issues, we recently started her on very low dose of riperadal and would this cause it?? We have her on houston enzymes 2 zyme and 1 pep...Devin said to remove the zyme prime for a few day but this hasent help.. Does anyone have any further suggestions...Its really bad and she is in alot of pain...Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 If it's an enzyme issue, add in No-Fenol - it loosens stools really well. Also try adding in Mag Citrate (not other forms of Mag - they tend to constipate) - and also add in Vit C - both are stool looseners. Make sure lots of liquids are being taken in (water - not sugary stuff). Watch types of food intake that could constipate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 Hi Ive never heard of the natural calm magnesium, but Im willing to try it..How much do you use and what is the brand name? Thanks > Hi, Machaela is 10 and the past month or so we have been running into > constapation issues, we recently started her on very low dose of > riperadal and would this cause it?? We have her on houston enzymes 2 > zyme and 1 pep...Devin said to remove the zyme prime for a few day but > this hasent help.. Does anyone have any further suggestions...Its > really bad and she is in alot of pain...Thank you > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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