Guest guest Posted March 10, 2002 Report Share Posted March 10, 2002 >> . The shock of the cold, and the relaxing method, just seems to pop you >> back in sinus. << This is presumably due to stimulation of the vagus nerve. My doctor suggested plunging the face into cold water, but your method sounds good too. Face into cold water wasn't very effective as I recall.>> Just a small word of warning - if you have vagal AF there's a fair chance that things could start feeling unpleasant when you try this - I strongly suggest you have someone with you when try it out for the first time. I've tried dipping my head in cold water when I was in NSR and it put me into AF in around 5 seconds. I've also tried it when I'm in AF but it just makes the rate go down a little and the palpitations get much stronger (a similar feeling to when I have my blood pressure taken when I'm in AF). It's certainly the case that some triggers can also bring people back to NSR so I'm not suggesting it wont work for everyone with vagal AF - just be safe when you try it take care -- D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2002 Report Share Posted March 10, 2002 I think that is because you have to bend over to get your face in the water (to some this is a trigger), while with the ice pak, you can be up right, or laying back relaxed. Still might not work, but who knows. I didn't think that it would either, but it did. Walt w/lots of rain, and we needed it. In SC----- Original Message ----- From: victortt@... To: AFIBsupport Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 10:02 PM Subject: Re: Re: TRUDY/ice paks In a message dated 3/8/02 3:55:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, pondsite@... writes: > . The shock of the cold, and the relaxing method, just seems to pop you > back in sinus. This is presumably due to stimulation of the vagus nerve. My doctor suggested plunging the face into cold water, but your method sounds good too. Face into cold water wasn't very effective as I recall. Victor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2002 Report Share Posted March 10, 2002 very good point, as Im not vagal, but pararoxsmal. , just don't know. Whats good for one is not necessarily good for the other. Maybe like good for the goose and not for the gander??? take care Walt Re: Re: TRUDY/ice paks >> . The shock of the cold, and the relaxing method, just seems to pop you >> back in sinus. << This is presumably due to stimulation of the vagus nerve. My doctor suggested plunging the face into cold water, but your method sounds good too. Face into cold water wasn't very effective as I recall.>> Just a small word of warning - if you have vagal AF there's a fair chance that things could start feeling unpleasant when you try this - I strongly suggest you have someone with you when try it out for the first time. I've tried dipping my head in cold water when I was in NSR and it put me into AF in around 5 seconds. I've also tried it when I'm in AF but it just makes the rate go down a little and the palpitations get much stronger (a similar feeling to when I have my blood pressure taken when I'm in AF). It's certainly the case that some triggers can also bring people back to NSR so I'm not suggesting it wont work for everyone with vagal AF - just be safe when you try it take care -- D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2002 Report Share Posted March 10, 2002 > very good point, as Im not vagal, but pararoxsmal. , just don't know. Whats good for one is not necessarily good for the other. Maybe like good for the goose and not for the gander??? take care Walt I thought that pararoxsmal meant AF only once in a while, ie not chronic. The reason for the AF could still be vagal, adrenergic or both. Maybe I missed something. Fran > Re: Re: TRUDY/ice paks > > > >> . The shock of the cold, and the relaxing method, just seems to pop you > >> back in sinus. > << > This is presumably due to stimulation of the vagus nerve. My doctor > suggested plunging the face into cold water, but your method sounds good too. > Face into cold water wasn't very effective as I recall.>> > > Just a small word of warning - if you have vagal AF there's a fair chance that > things could start feeling unpleasant when you try this - I strongly suggest > you have someone with you when try it out for the first time. > > I've tried dipping my head in cold water when I was in NSR and it put me into > AF in around 5 seconds. I've also tried it when I'm in AF but it just makes > the rate go down a little and the palpitations get much stronger (a similar > feeling to when I have my blood pressure taken when I'm in AF). It's certainly > the case that some triggers can also bring people back to NSR so I'm not > suggesting it wont work for everyone with vagal AF - just be safe when you try > it > > > take care > -- > D > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2002 Report Share Posted March 10, 2002 > very good point, as Im not vagal, but pararoxsmal. paroxysmal menas occasionally. both vagal and adrenergic can be paroxysmal. vagal is associate with going into afib when relaxed, adrenergic when stressed, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2002 Report Share Posted March 10, 2002 Fran, my diagnosis as it is written in my medical record is " vagally mediated paroxysmal atrial fibrillation " so, yes, I agree that paroxysmal means AF only once in a while, ie not chronic, as you say. Sandy ----- Original Message ----- From: fross2001 To: AFIBsupport Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2002 12:27 PM I thought that pararoxsmal meant AF only once in a while, ie not chronic. The reason for the AF could still be vagal, adrenergic or both. Maybe I missed something. Fran > very good point, as Im not vagal, but pararoxsmal. , just don't know. Whats good for one is not necessarily good for the other. Maybe like good for the goose and not for the gander??? take care Walt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2002 Report Share Posted March 10, 2002 Could be right, although My cardiologist only referes to paroxsmal, even though ive had bradycardia, and had to have a pacemaker, reflux, often found and idntified with vagal, but often go into a-fib from excess adrenelin, usually adrenergic. Im to complex to readily identify with either, and as I go in and out at any time, usually for any reason, hence paraoxsmal. walt Re: TRUDY/ice paks > very good point, as Im not vagal, but pararoxsmal. paroxysmal menas occasionally. both vagal and adrenergic can be paroxysmal. vagal is associate with going into afib when relaxed, adrenergic when stressed, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2002 Report Share Posted March 10, 2002 paraoxysmal does mean intermittent - see http://www.affacts.org/Questions/classified.html Walt wrote: <<I think that is because you have to bend over to get your face in the water (to some this is a trigger), while with the ice pak, you can be up right, or laying back relaxed. Still might not work, but who knows. I didn't think that it would either, but it did. Walt w/lots of rain, and we needed it. In SC>> Walt, you are correct that bending over can stimulate the vagal nerve too but this is exactly what you are doing when you apply cold water to the head.(I think it's known as the 'diving reflex' - the body thinks it's in trouble and switches a lot of things off and tries to conserve the oxygen it has in case it might not get another for a while! - hence the slowing of the heart). It's true I have also gone into AF when bending so doing theses operations together may lead to some confusion. However, I can say without a shadow of doubt that plunging my head in cold water has a much more dramatic effect on my heart rate than bending does - it's very immediate and easy to spot the slowing of the heart. all the best. -- D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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