Re: Positive experience with WP?

[Guest guest]

I am not in peri yet, but after extensive research I concluded that I am low on

progesterone, and asked my doctor to test me and to prescribe some. I also asked

for some testosterone, after reading book 'Preventing menopause' - Both t. and

p. I take are Wiley protocol. After adjusting by synptomes, I now take 1/4 wiley

progesterone and a full testosterone dose. I do not ask my doc about

adjustments, and make my own decisions. If I bloat or retain even a bit of water

before my period, it means too much progesterone, and I reduce proportionally.

Wiley is great because the dosages are in right proportion to the days of the

cycle. I suffered from estrogene dominance all my life. I feel great now, better

than when I was in my 20ies. It's been a year so far, no weight gain (I weight

115 lb and am an athlete with 18 % of body fat), no side effects whatsoever than

many women complain about. There is also no family history of cancers of any

sort.

PS Be careful with high progesterone doses prescribed by Wiley, do your own

research, and listen to your body. There is not enough data accumulated yet for

the doctors to know which dosage is right for you. your body will tell you.

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> Are there any pre/peri-menopausal women who have a had a good experience with

the WP?  I would really like to hear your experiences.

>  

> I am 44 and have had imbalanced hormones my whole adult life.  Bio-i

progesterone for the last year has helped me a lot, but now I clearly need some

estrogen also and some fine-tuning.  My doctor specializes in bio-energetic

testing and will totally tweak it to exactly what my body needs/wants, rather

than an amount specified by WP.  Rhythmic cycling makes SO much more sense to me

than static dosing and I'd really like to spend the second half of my life

feeling great, unlike the first half.

>  

> There's SO much controversy and most of the horror stories seem to be from

women already in menopause when they started, and/or by women reacting to the

arbitrary high amounts of the hormones in the first three months.  My Dr.'s wife

is about 4 years older than I am and is pleased with WP, over the past year, so

I am seriously considering.

>  

> Please share your stories with me!

>

>

>  

> -Moyne

>  

> www.chinow.com/moyne

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Moyne,

I don’t have a peri meno story as I went on the WP for surg meno and was not a success story (not on it now). My suggestion is if your dr is willing to tweak then why even go on the WP? Why even mess with it? I wonder if his wife is truly on the protocol if he is willing to tweak? Though, the WP is about tweaking also even though they say it’s not. They just don’t deviate from the timing of the hormones only the amounts. If you have a dr who will tweak and you have a pharmacy that will fill his prescription than nothing is gained by going on the WP except that the pharmacies are supposed to use the same formula. Don’t know if it still happens but Susie Wiley has in the past changed the formula and we the patients, did not know until after the fact and things got screwed up. It’s not rocket science in figuring out the rhythm. They are charts that one can look. I hope you find something that lets you feel fabulous!

Liz

Are there any pre/peri-menopausal women who have a had a good experience with the WP? I would really like to hear your experiences.

I am 44 and have had imbalanced hormones my whole adult life. Bio-i progesterone for the last year has helped me a lot, but now I clearly need some estrogen also and some fine-tuning. My doctor specializes in bio-energetic testing and will totally tweak it to exactly what my body needs/wants, rather than an amount specified by WP. Rhythmic cycling makes SO much more sense to me than static dosing and I'd really like to spend the second half of my life feeling great, unlike the first half.

There's SO much controversy and most of the horror stories seem to be from women already in menopause when they started, and/or by women reacting to the arbitrary high amounts of the hormones in the first three months. My Dr.'s wife is about 4 years older than I am and is pleased with WP, over the past year, so I am seriously considering.

Please share your stories with me!

-Moyne

www.chinow.com/moyne <http://www.chinow.com/moyne>

[Guest guest]

I am really curious too. My doc is doing WP herself and raves about it. I got a script but never ordered because I cannot find a positive thing about WP on the internet unless it is an advertisement. I read that there are contaminants in the hormones. Does anyone know anything about this. Then I am curious about the colors, what do they use to color the different hormones. I do my best to stay away from dies and chemicals and don't want to start rubbing them on my body. I use progesterone in coconut oil and have used olive oil. I found both formulas to work just fine. I am probably not going to do this but am still curious. I believe that the doc I am seeing now saved me from a life of sickness so I want to believe her on this but am very leary. Is there anywhere that you can see the actual ingredients etc. I need specifics )

Thanks,

marie

Re: Positive experience with WP?

Hi Moyne,

I don’t have a peri meno story as I went on the WP for surg meno and was not a success story (not on it now). My suggestion is if your dr is willing to tweak then why even go on the WP? Why even mess with it? I wonder if his wife is truly on the protocol if he is willing to tweak? Though, the WP is about tweaking also even though they say it’s not. They just don’t deviate from the timing of the hormones only the amounts. If you have a dr who will tweak and you have a pharmacy that will fill his prescription than nothing is gained by going on the WP except that the pharmacies are supposed to use the same formula. Don’t know if it still happens but Susie Wiley has in the past changed the formula and we the patients, did not know until after the fact and things got screwed up. It’s not rocket science in figuring out the rhythm. They are charts that one can look. I hope you find something that lets you feel fabulous!

Liz

Are there any pre/peri-menopausal women who have a had a good experience with the WP? I would really like to hear your experiences.

I am 44 and have had imbalanced hormones my whole adult life. Bio-i progesterone for the last year has helped me a lot, but now I clearly need some estrogen also and some fine-tuning. My doctor specializes in bio-energetic testing and will totally tweak it to exactly what my body needs/wants, rather than an amount specified by WP. Rhythmic cycling makes SO much more sense to me than static dosing and I'd really like to spend the second half of my life feeling great, unlike the first half.

There's SO much controversy and most of the horror stories seem to be from women already in menopause when they started, and/or by women reacting to the arbitrary high amounts of the hormones in the first three months. My Dr.'s wife is about 4 years older than I am and is pleased with WP, over the past year, so I am seriously considering.

Please share your stories with me!

-Moyne

www.chinow.com/moyne <http://www.chinow.com/moyne>

[Guest guest]

As far as I know, the creams themselves are not colored, just the caps on the tubes. Call any of the “WP” pharmacies and they should be able to fax or tell you the ingredients. I know a few women who have their E compounded in Olive Oil. I myself have tried it and like it.

I am really curious too. My doc is doing WP herself and raves about it. I got a script but never ordered because I cannot find a positive thing about WP on the internet unless it is an advertisement. I read that there are contaminants in the hormones. Does anyone know anything about this. Then I am curious about the colors, what do they use to color the different hormones. I do my best to stay away from dies and chemicals and don't want to start rubbing them on my body. I use progesterone in coconut oil and have used olive oil. I found both formulas to work just fine. I am probably not going to do this but am still curious. I believe that the doc I am seeing now saved me from a life of sickness so I want to believe her on this but am very leary. Is there anywhere that you can see the actual ingredients etc. I need specifics )

Thanks,

marie

Re: Positive experience with WP?

Hi Moyne,

I don’t have a peri meno story as I went on the WP for surg meno and was not a success story (not on it now). My suggestion is if your dr is willing to tweak then why even go on the WP? Why even mess with it? I wonder if his wife is truly on the protocol if he is willing to tweak? Though, the WP is about tweaking also even though they say it’s not. They just don’t deviate from the timing of the hormones only the amounts. If you have a dr who will tweak and you have a pharmacy that will fill his prescription than nothing is gained by going on the WP except that the pharmacies are supposed to use the same formula. Don’t know if it still happens but Susie Wiley has in the past changed the formula and we the patients, did not know until after the fact and things got screwed up. It’s not rocket science in figuring out the rhythm. They are charts that one can look. I hope you find something that lets you feel fabulous!

Liz

Are there any pre/peri-menopausal women who have a had a good experience with the WP? I would really like to hear your experiences.

I am 44 and have had imbalanced hormones my whole adult life. Bio-i progesterone for the last year has helped me a lot, but now I clearly need some estrogen also and some fine-tuning. My doctor specializes in bio-energetic testing and will totally tweak it to exactly what my body needs/wants, rather than an amount specified by WP. Rhythmic cycling makes SO much more sense to me than static dosing and I'd really like to spend the second half of my life feeling great, unlike the first half.

There's SO much controversy and most of the horror stories seem to be from women already in menopause when they started, and/or by women reacting to the arbitrary high amounts of the hormones in the first three months. My Dr.'s wife is about 4 years older than I am and is pleased with WP, over the past year, so I am seriously considering.

Please share your stories with me!

-Moyne

www.chinow.com/moyne <http://www.chinow.com/moyne> <http://www.chinow.com/moyne>

[Guest guest]

it may be a new thing but they are brightly colored. My doc showed me hers bright turquoise and red so you can easily tell the difference. I will talk to the pharmacy thanks.

Re: Positive experience with WP?

Hi Moyne,

I don’t have a peri meno story as I went on the WP for surg meno and was not a success story (not on it now). My suggestion is if your dr is willing to tweak then why even go on the WP? Why even mess with it? I wonder if his wife is truly on the protocol if he is willing to tweak? Though, the WP is about tweaking also even though they say it’s not. They just don’t deviate from the timing of the hormones only the amounts. If you have a dr who will tweak and you have a pharmacy that will fill his prescription than nothing is gained by going on the WP except that the pharmacies are supposed to use the same formula. Don’t know if it still happens but Susie Wiley has in the past changed the formula and we the patients, did not know until after the fact and things got screwed up. It’s not rocket science in figuring out the rhythm. They are charts that one can look. I hope you find something that lets you feel fabulous!

Liz

Are there any pre/peri-menopausal women who have a had a good experience with the WP? I would really like to hear your experiences.

I am 44 and have had imbalanced hormones my whole adult life. Bio-i progesterone for the last year has helped me a lot, but now I clearly need some estrogen also and some fine-tuning. My doctor specializes in bio-energetic testing and will totally tweak it to exactly what my body needs/wants, rather than an amount specified by WP. Rhythmic cycling makes SO much more sense to me than static dosing and I'd really like to spend the second half of my life feeling great, unlike the first half.

There's SO much controversy and most of the horror stories seem to be from women already in menopause when they started, and/or by women reacting to the arbitrary high amounts of the hormones in the first three months. My Dr.'s wife is about 4 years older than I am and is pleased with WP, over the past year, so I am seriously considering.

Please share your stories with me!

-Moyne

www.chinow.com/moyne <http://www.chinow.com/moyne> <http://www.chinow.com/moyne>

[Guest guest]

How in the world do you measure the right amount in olive oil without it just running all over the place? I asked my pharmacist about it and he explained some problems with that. He said that can't grind up the hormones as small as with cream, because they can't run it through the machine. So, you probably have to take more because it doesn't absorb as well. He said if you do it, it's recommended to combine olive oil with coconut oil, to balance out the consistencies, but they still can't run it through the machine and the hormones don't stay evenly suspended throughout the oil if the temperature changes.

My cream (for my static dose of estrogen) is making me itch, so they're giving me alternatives to test. There is one cream that is completely natural (he said) but he'd have to order it and doesn't have a sample right now. I'm going to call today and see if he can get a sample, because the one he gave me yesterday is not giving me great hope. I need to get this worked out BEFORE trying Wiley (if I make that decision) because then I'd be using more cream per day, with the progesterone in cream form, too.

I spoke with the pharmacist about it at length yesterday and his concern is more for the high levels of estrogen than of progesterone. The progesterone levels are within the range of what is commonly prescribed but the estrogen is at least 10 times more. He looked at what I'm currently using and it could be possibly closer to 100 times for me, since my Rx is mostly estriol with a little estradiol, versus the high level of estradiol in WP.

I'm just trying to get every piece of information I can and have every question ready before I talk with my doc again. I'm praying I will have everything I need to make the right decision for me. I'm trying to find info on alternative rhythmic cycling protocols to have something to compare with, but not having much success. My pharmacist does it, but has WAY fewer changes then WP and mostly cycles the progesterone rather than the estrogen.

-Moyne

www.chinow.com/moyne---

Subject: Re: Positive experience with WP?To: rhythmicliving Date: Monday, September 6, 2010, 8:58 AM

it may be a new thing but they are brightly colored. My doc showed me hers bright turquoise and red so you can easily tell the difference. I will talk to the pharmacy thanks.

Re: Positive experience with WP? Hi Moyne,I don’t have a peri meno story as I went on the WP for surg meno and was not a success story (not on it now). My suggestion is if your dr is willing to tweak then why even go on the WP? Why even mess with it? I wonder if his wife is

truly on the protocol if he is willing to tweak? Though, the WP is about tweaking also even though they say it’s not. They just don’t deviate from the timing of the hormones only the amounts. If you have a dr who will tweak and you have a pharmacy that will fill his prescription than nothing is gained by going on the WP except that the pharmacies are supposed to use the same formula. Don’t know if it still happens but Susie Wiley has in the past changed the formula and we the patients, did not know until after the fact and things got screwed up. It’s not rocket science in figuring out the rhythm. They are charts that one can look. I hope you find something that lets you feel fabulous!Liz

Are there any pre/peri-menopausal women who have a had a good experience with the WP? I would really like to hear your experiences. I am 44 and have had imbalanced hormones my whole adult life. Bio-i progesterone for the last year has helped me a lot, but now I clearly need some estrogen also and some fine-tuning. My doctor specializes in bio-energetic testing and will totally tweak it to exactly what my body needs/wants, rather than an amount specified by WP. Rhythmic cycling makes SO much more sense to me than static dosing and I'd really like to spend the second half of my life feeling great, unlike the first half. There's SO much controversy and most of the horror stories seem to be from women already in menopause when they started, and/or by women reacting to the

arbitrary high amounts of the hormones in the first three months. My Dr.'s wife is about 4 years older than I am and is pleased with WP, over the past year, so I am seriously considering. Please share your stories with me! -Moynewww.chinow.com/moyne <http://www.chinow.com/moyne> <http://www.chinow.com/moyne>

[Guest guest]

Miy OO comes with a dropper. It’s not messy at all. My dosage is 1mg per drop. And it absorbs WAY better than the cream for me. It does not seem to last as long though, so that’s why I use the cream. Coconut oil hardens at a certain temp, doesn’t it?

Just as an FYI – IF you do go on the WP, and you are happy with the base, tell the pharmacy to put on your chart – DO NOT CHANGE BASE without either asking you or notifying you first. And I’m going to say that if you do not want the dye to color it, you can ask them to keep it out. (I just heard about the adding color to the creams). Ummmm, the P in WP is WAY to high for most women. And it builds up in the fat, whereas E does not seem to. So in my mind it’s like comparing apples to oranges. If you do decide to go on the WP, or some version, do what feels good to you. Ask the pharmacist what his concern is with the high E and not the high P. And that being said, some women do okay with the higher P. This is the issue with me about the WP, individuality is not taken into consideration. There are sooooooooo many variables to a woman’s body. Absorption, liver metabolism, stress, allergies, adrenals, thyroid. The liver metabolism to me, is THE biggest factor. Anyways, good luck with whatever you do!

Liz

How in the world do you measure the right amount in olive oil without it just running all over the place? I asked my pharmacist about it and he explained some problems with that. He said that can't grind up the hormones as small as with cream, because they can't run it through the machine. So, you probably have to take more because it doesn't absorb as well. He said if you do it, it's recommended to combine olive oil with coconut oil, to balance out the consistencies, but they still can't run it through the machine and the hormones don't stay evenly suspended throughout the oil if the temperature changes.

My cream (for my static dose of estrogen) is making me itch, so they're giving me alternatives to test. There is one cream that is completely natural (he said) but he'd have to order it and doesn't have a sample right now. I'm going to call today and see if he can get a sample, because the one he gave me yesterday is not giving me great hope. I need to get this worked out BEFORE trying Wiley (if I make that decision) because then I'd be using more cream per day, with the progesterone in cream form, too.

I spoke with the pharmacist about it at length yesterday and his concern is more for the high levels of estrogen than of progesterone. The progesterone levels are within the range of what is commonly prescribed but the estrogen is at least 10 times more. He looked at what I'm currently using and it could be possibly closer to 100 times for me, since my Rx is mostly estriol with a little estradiol, versus the high level of estradiol in WP.

I'm just trying to get every piece of information I can and have every question ready before I talk with my doc again. I'm praying I will have everything I need to make the right decision for me. I'm trying to find info on alternative rhythmic cycling protocols to have something to compare with, but not having much success. My pharmacist does it, but has WAY fewer changes then WP and mostly cycles the progesterone rather than the estrogen.

-Moyne

www.chinow.com/moyne <http://www.chinow.com/moyne>

Are there any pre/peri-menopausal women who have a had a good experience with the WP? I would really like to hear your experiences.

I am 44 and have had imbalanced hormones my whole adult life. Bio-i progesterone for the last year has helped me a lot, but now I clearly need some estrogen also and some fine-tuning. My doctor specializes in bio-energetic testing and will totally tweak it to exactly what my body needs/wants, rather than an amount specified by WP. Rhythmic cycling makes SO much more sense to me than static dosing and I'd really like to spend the second half of my life feeling great, unlike the first half.

There's SO much controversy and most of the horror stories seem to be from women already in menopause when they started, and/or by women reacting to the arbitrary high amounts of the hormones in the first three months. My Dr.'s wife is about 4 years older than I am and is pleased with WP, over the past year, so I am seriously considering.

Please share your stories with me!

-Moyne

www.chinow.com/moyne <http://www.chinow.com/moyne> <http://www.chinow.com/moyne> <http://www.chinow.com/moyne>

[Guest guest]

Oh, a dropper, of course! Thanks for that info!!!

I guess what my doc does is start with WP and then lower or raise where necessary to get the right fit for each person. So, it might not be strictly WP, but that's where he starts and how it's prescribed.

I'm currently taking 100mg per day of oral P, in a split doses, which would be the equivalent of 50mg per day in the cream. The pharmacist mentioned doses in the 50-100 range of P in the WP.

How many actual WP's are there? Is there someplace I can reference that and see what dosages she's using, so I have a point if reference for all this and can be more informed when I talk to my doc?

-Moyne

www.chinow.com/moyne---

Subject: Re: Positive experience with WP?To: rhythmicliving Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 9:52 AM

Miy OO comes with a dropper. It’s not messy at all. My dosage is 1mg per drop. And it absorbs WAY better than the cream for me. It does not seem to last as long though, so that’s why I use the cream. Coconut oil hardens at a certain temp, doesn’t it?Just as an FYI – IF you do go on the WP, and you are happy with the base, tell the pharmacy to put on your chart – DO NOT CHANGE BASE without either asking you or notifying you first. And I’m going to say that if you do not want the dye to color it, you can ask them to keep it out. (I just heard about the adding color to the creams). Ummmm, the P in WP is WAY to high for most women. And it builds up in the fat, whereas E does not seem to. So in my mind it’s like comparing apples to oranges. If you do decide to go on the WP, or some version, do what feels good to you. Ask the pharmacist what his concern is with

the high E and not the high P. And that being said, some women do okay with the higher P. This is the issue with me about the WP, individuality is not taken into consideration. There are sooooooooo many variables to a woman’s body. Absorption, liver metabolism, stress, allergies, adrenals, thyroid. The liver metabolism to me, is THE biggest factor. Anyways, good luck with whatever you do!Liz

How in the world do you measure the right amount in olive oil without it just running all over the place? I asked my pharmacist about it and he explained some problems with that. He said that can't grind up the hormones as small as with cream, because they can't run it through the machine. So, you probably have to take more because it doesn't absorb as well. He said if you do it, it's recommended to combine olive oil with coconut oil, to balance out the consistencies, but they still can't run it through the machine and the hormones don't stay evenly suspended throughout the oil if the temperature changes. My cream (for my static dose of estrogen) is making me itch, so they're giving me alternatives to test. There is one cream that is completely natural (he said) but he'd

have to order it and doesn't have a sample right now. I'm going to call today and see if he can get a sample, because the one he gave me yesterday is not giving me great hope. I need to get this worked out BEFORE trying Wiley (if I make that decision) because then I'd be using more cream per day, with the progesterone in cream form, too. I spoke with the pharmacist about it at length yesterday and his concern is more for the high levels of estrogen than of progesterone. The progesterone levels are within the range of what is commonly prescribed but the estrogen is at least 10 times more. He looked at what I'm currently using and it could be possibly closer to 100 times for me, since my Rx is mostly estriol with a little estradiol, versus the high level of estradiol in WP. I'm just trying to get every piece of information I can and have every question ready before I talk with my doc again. I'm

praying I will have everything I need to make the right decision for me. I'm trying to find info on alternative rhythmic cycling protocols to have something to compare with, but not having much success. My pharmacist does it, but has WAY fewer changes then WP and mostly cycles the progesterone rather than the estrogen.-Moynewww.chinow.com/moyne <http://www.chinow.com/moyne>

Are there any pre/peri-menopausal women who have a had a good experience with the WP? I would really like to hear your experiences. I am 44 and have had imbalanced hormones my whole adult life. Bio-i progesterone for the last year has helped me a lot, but now I clearly need some estrogen also and some fine-tuning. My doctor specializes in bio-energetic testing and will totally tweak it to exactly what my body needs/wants, rather than an amount specified by WP. Rhythmic cycling makes SO much more sense to me than static dosing and I'd really like to spend the second half of my life feeling great, unlike the first half. There's SO much controversy and most of the horror stories seem to be from women already in menopause when they started, and/or by women reacting to the

arbitrary high amounts of the hormones in the first three months. My Dr.'s wife is about 4 years older than I am and is pleased with WP, over the past year, so I am seriously considering. Please share your stories with me! -Moynewww.chinow.com/moyne <http://www.chinow.com/moyne> <http://www.chinow.com/moyne> <http://www.chinow.com/moyne>