RE: New here, How do I stop WP

[Guest guest]

My advice: stop it all immediately. You are likely progesterone poisoned.

If you have regular, normal periods, you likely have no need for

progesterone. Let your body clear out and then see where to go. The

progesterone will take many months to clear. If coming off everything is

too difficult, use the estrogen.

Have you had blood tests to see where you are?

Val

New here, How do I stop WP

Hi evryone! Need some advice on the correct way to stop WP. I'm on my 6

month and feel like I am being poisoned. I'm 34 and started having hormone

issues after my 2nd child stopped nursing. Many drs and months later I found

a doctor who promised mre the WP would fix everything. he said I was in

early menopause and my ovaries have failed. First 3 months were o.k. I felt

better but still wasn't 100%. I had very long heavy periods, and he adjusted

doses and added testosterone. By month 4 all you no what broke loose. I'm a

mess.. He keeps adjusting doses, having me put cream in different spots

different times of the day weird things that do not help. In Oct. I had a 21

day period, and had to start protocol all over. A hysterectomy or ablasion

have been suggested to stop bleeding so I can stay on protocol. I feel

unneccessary since I didn't have bleeding like this before. I want off this,

the depression is horrible, I have been suicidal at times. I have been sick

with upper repiratory problems for months now. My dr. will not listen and

keeps trying to tweak dose. I ask him for advice last week and he told me to

call the pharmacist. I am looking for a new dr, because I believe I need

some hormone supplementation, but enough is enough, I'm scared about the

long term harm I have done. What is the right way to come off this? And what

other hormone method or doses should I consult new dr. about. Any advice

would be welcome. Thanks myself and my poor husband and family appreciate.

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[Guest guest]

Hello,All forms of progesterone that man has made is dangerous. You will have to heal your adrenals, and clear out the candida. Candida is what is causing your respiratory issues.Far Infrared Sauna really helps.Good luckTinaSubject: New here, How do I stop WPTo: rhythmicliving Date: Sunday, December 27, 2009, 8:42 AM

Hi evryone! Need some advice on the correct way to stop WP. I'm on my 6 month and feel like I am being poisoned. I'm 34 and started having hormone issues after my 2nd child stopped nursing. Many drs and months later I found a doctor who promised mre the WP would fix everything. he said I was in early menopause and my ovaries have failed. First 3 months were o.k. I felt better but still wasn't 100%. I had very long heavy periods, and he adjusted doses and added testosterone. By month 4 all you no what broke loose. I'm a mess.. He keeps adjusting doses, having me put cream in different spots different times of the day weird things that do not help. In Oct. I had a 21 day period, and had to start protocol all over. A hysterectomy or ablasion have been suggested to stop bleeding so I can stay on protocol. I feel unneccessary since I didn't have bleeding like this before. I want off this, the depression is horrible, I have been suicidal at times. I

have been sick with upper repiratory problems for months now. My dr. will not listen and keeps trying to tweak dose. I ask him for advice last week and he told me to call the pharmacist. I am looking for a new dr, because I believe I need some hormone supplementation, but enough is enough, I'm scared about the long term harm I have done. What is the right way to come off this? And what other hormone method or doses should I consult new dr. about. Any advice would be welcome. Thanks myself and my poor husband and family appreciate.

[Guest guest]

The WP is overdosing.

Probably would be a good idea to just stop taking it asap. Also would be a

good idea to have your adrenals and thyroid properly tested/treated.

The over dosing of progesterone could have very well affected your adrenals.

Here's an article about adrenals:

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info

Sam

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> Hi evryone! Need some advice on the correct way to stop WP. I'm on

> my 6 month and feel like I am being poisoned. I'm 34 and started

> having hormone issues after my 2nd child stopped nursing. Many drs

> and months later I found a doctor who promised mre the WP would fix

> everything. he said I was in early menopause and my ovaries have

> failed. First 3 months were o.k. I felt better but still wasn't

> 100%. I had very long heavy periods, and he adjusted doses and added

> testosterone. By month 4 all you no what broke loose. I'm a mess..

> He keeps adjusting doses, having me put cream in different spots

> different times of the day weird things that do not help. In Oct. I

> had a 21 day period, and had to start protocol all over. A

> hysterectomy or ablasion have been suggested to stop bleeding so I

> can stay on protocol. I feel unneccessary since I didn't have

> bleeding like this before. I want off this, the depression is

> horrible, I have been suicidal at times. I have

> been sick with upper repiratory problems for months now. My dr. will not

> listen and keeps trying to tweak dose. I ask him for advice last week and

> he told me to call the pharmacist. I am looking for a new dr, because I

> believe I need some hormone supplementation, but enough is enough, I'm

> scared about the long term harm I have done. What is the right way to

> come off this? And what other hormone method or doses should I consult

> new dr. about. Any advice would be welcome. Thanks myself and my poor

> husband and family appreciate.

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[Guest guest]

Tina, where is the research that

" all forms of progesterone that man has made is dangerous " ?  Are you referring to progestins? 

Val

From:

rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] On

Behalf Of Tina Stanley

Hello,

All

forms of progesterone that man has made is dangerous. You will have to

heal your adrenals, and clear out the candida. Candida is what is

causing your respiratory issues.

Far

Infrared Sauna really helps.

Good

luck

Tina

From: seagrave42 cmcneil61@...

Hi evryone! Need some advice on the correct way to stop WP. I'm on my

6 month and feel like I am being poisoned. I'm 34 and started having hormone

issues after my 2nd child stopped nursing. Many drs and months later I found

a doctor who promised mre the WP would fix everything. he said I was in early

menopause and my ovaries have failed. First 3 months were o.k. I felt better

but still wasn't 100%. I had very long heavy periods, and he adjusted doses

and added testosterone. By month 4 all you no what broke loose. I'm a mess..

He keeps adjusting doses, having me put cream in different spots different

times of the day weird things that do not help. In Oct. I had a 21 day

period, and had to start protocol all over. A hysterectomy or ablasion have

been suggested to stop bleeding so I can stay on protocol. I feel

unneccessary since I didn't have bleeding like this before. I want off this,

the depression is horrible, I have been suicidal at times. I have been sick

with upper repiratory problems for months now. My dr. will not listen and

keeps trying to tweak dose. I ask him for advice last week and he told me to

call the pharmacist. I am looking for a new dr, because I believe I need some

hormone supplementation, but enough is enough, I'm scared about the long term

harm I have done. What is the right way to come off this? And what other

hormone method or doses should I consult new dr. about. Any advice would be

welcome. Thanks myself and my poor husband and family appreciate.

[Guest guest]

Valarie,No matter what, you cannot expect a chemist who says that he is "creating progesterone from yams" to be credible. With that logic, one would assess that a Coke is natural; after all, it is made with water, sugar, cocoa, CO2..... all natural products, right?I encourage you to google Theresa Dale, a respected doctor on this topic, and read what she has written. I speak to many women who have taken small dosages for a short while only to ruin their lives. BTW there are many "studies" done for example, on how SSRI's are "safe" and "useful", and you don't believe them to be true, do you? They are written on the behalf of the pharmaceutical companies for their own gain. And now, a new industry is popping up only worse; wolves cloaked in sheep's clothing, claiming that they are "natural".

They could care less that more times than not, they harm women. I am disgusted at these compounding pharmacies who have hurt women like myself, and when you return to them complaining about the severe reactions (and long term, I might add) they won't take any responsibility. Compounding pharmacies are quacks; don't trust them.Tina

From: seagrave42 cmcneil61hotmail (DOT) com

Hi evryone! Need some advice on the correct way to stop WP. I'm on my

6 month and feel like I am being poisoned. I'm 34 and started having hormone

issues after my 2nd child stopped nursing. Many drs and months later I found

a doctor who promised mre the WP would fix everything. he said I was in early

menopause and my ovaries have failed. First 3 months were o.k. I felt better

but still wasn't 100%. I had very long heavy periods, and he adjusted doses

and added testosterone. By month 4 all you no what broke loose. I'm a mess..

He keeps adjusting doses, having me put cream in different spots different

times of the day weird things that do not help. In Oct. I had a 21 day

period, and had to start protocol all over. A hysterectomy or ablasion have

been suggested to stop bleeding so I can stay on protocol. I feel

unneccessary since I didn't have bleeding like this before. I want off this,

the depression is horrible, I have been suicidal at times. I have been sick

with upper repiratory problems for months now. My dr. will not listen and

keeps trying to tweak dose. I ask him for advice last week and he told me to

call the pharmacist. I am looking for a new dr, because I believe I need some

hormone supplementation, but enough is enough, I'm scared about the long term

harm I have done. What is the right way to come off this? And what other

hormone method or doses should I consult new dr. about. Any advice would be

welcome. Thanks myself and my poor husband and family appreciate.

[Guest guest]

Please see this site:http://www.thcpweb.com/nutrition/dale/hrt.aspGood luckBTW I myself, have been severely harmed by using a mere 75 mg p.o.q.d for 10 weeks. I do not drink. I use no sugar. I eat a very healthful diet. I use NO pharmaceutical drugs. After 20 months, I am still recovering from the damage that "natural, bio-identical progesterone did". I got the progesterone from a group of complete whacks from a "reputable" compounding pharmacy in Las Colinas (Irving) Texas. Tina

From: seagrave42 cmcneil61hotmail (DOT) com

Hi evryone! Need some advice on the correct way to stop WP. I'm on my

6 month and feel like I am being poisoned. I'm 34 and started having hormone

issues after my 2nd child stopped nursing. Many drs and months later I found

a doctor who promised mre the WP would fix everything. he said I was in early

menopause and my ovaries have failed. First 3 months were o.k. I felt better

but still wasn't 100%. I had very long heavy periods, and he adjusted doses

and added testosterone. By month 4 all you no what broke loose. I'm a mess..

He keeps adjusting doses, having me put cream in different spots different

times of the day weird things that do not help. In Oct. I had a 21 day

period, and had to start protocol all over. A hysterectomy or ablasion have

been suggested to stop bleeding so I can stay on protocol. I feel

unneccessary since I didn't have bleeding like this before. I want off this,

the depression is horrible, I have been suicidal at times. I have been sick

with upper repiratory problems for months now. My dr. will not listen and

keeps trying to tweak dose. I ask him for advice last week and he told me to

call the pharmacist. I am looking for a new dr, because I believe I need some

hormone supplementation, but enough is enough, I'm scared about the long term

harm I have done. What is the right way to come off this? And what other

hormone method or doses should I consult new dr. about. Any advice would be

welcome. Thanks myself and my poor husband and family appreciate.

[Guest guest]

Thanks to everyone for responding, this last year has been hormonal hell. Before

WP my hormone levels crashed very low levels, and I had high hope in my dr and

the Wp to solve my problem, as I am just 34, aand a new mom and had never

experienced such a low in my life. I am very disappointed that I now feel

poisoned and tricked by people I trusted to help me. My dr. has no answers as to

why I'm having such horrible symptoms, he just keeps telling me I need more

estrogen. I have been on +8E at one point, only to develop different symptoms.I

have an appointment next week with a new dr. who will hopefully find alternative

BHT for me and help me get off this. Will keep everyone posted. I'm in the mean

time trying to wean down the doses and get through this last cycle without a

huge crash as I have a family and job to deal with. Thanks again to all of you

out there responding, nice to know I'm not just " crazy " and other share my

experience.

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> Hi evryone! Need some advice on the correct way to stop WP. I'm on my

> 6 month and feel like I am being poisoned. I'm 34 and started having hormone

> issues after my 2nd child stopped nursing. Many drs and months later I found

> a doctor who promised mre the WP would fix everything. he said I was in

early

> menopause and my ovaries have failed. First 3 months were o.k. I felt better

> but still wasn't 100%. I had very long heavy periods, and he adjusted doses

> and added testosterone. By month 4 all you no what broke loose. I'm a mess..

> He keeps adjusting doses, having me put cream in different spots different

> times of the day weird things that do not help. In Oct. I had a 21 day

> period, and had to start protocol all over. A hysterectomy or ablasion have

> been suggested to stop bleeding so I can stay on protocol. I feel

> unneccessary since I didn't have bleeding like this before. I want off this,

> the depression is horrible, I have been suicidal at times. I have been sick

> with upper repiratory problems for months now. My dr. will not listen and

> keeps trying to tweak dose. I ask him for advice last week and he told me to

> call the pharmacist. I am looking for a new dr, because I believe I need

some

> hormone supplementation, but enough is enough, I'm scared about the long

term

> harm I have done. What is the right way to come off this? And what other

> hormone method or doses should I consult new dr. about. Any advice would be

> welcome. Thanks myself and my poor husband and family appreciate.

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[Guest guest]

Well, Tina, you couldn't pay me to take oral progesterone. Of the people I

know that have taken oral progesterone not one of them did well on it.

For that matter, what if your body only needed a teeny weeny little dinky

amount of progesterone, instead of the 75mg you were taking? You'd

certainly experience overdose symptoms and feel 'severely harmed'.

I'm 57, have been without uterus/ovaries since 1973, take transdermal

progesterone cream (~20mg) " dosed by symptoms " along with transdermal

estradiol and testosterone gels, and I feel GRRRRRRRRREAT.

By the way, I read that site you listed and give it a thumbs down.

It's best to first " properly " test/treat adrenals, then " properly "

test/treat thyroid (not with synthetics), and then " if " sex hormones do

not normalize on their own (for those with uterus/ovaries) that's when

they should be addressed.

Sam

(owner/co-mod of the Yahoo group " thyroidless " )

57yr old great granny

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Please see this site:http://www.thcpweb.com/nutrition/dale/hrt.asp

Good luck BTW I myself, have been severely harmed by using a mere

75 mg p.o.q.d for 10 weeks. I do not drink. I use no sugar.

I eat a very healthful diet. I use NO pharmaceutical drugs. After 20

months, I am still recovering from the damage that " natural, bio-identical

progesterone did " . I got the progesterone from a group of complete whacks

from a " reputable " compounding pharmacy in Las Colinas (Irving) Texas.

Tina

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry that you give a 'thumbs down' to the site. She has helped me.I give the entire use of hormones a huge thumbs down myself.I implore everyone to look at what others have written; not all are negative, but most are. You cannot expect someone who has been severely hurt from charlatans pushing "natural" hormones to be complacent about this. I am happy that you are feeling great; after all, that is the objective, right? But you are playing Russian Roulette with your life; be careful!Tinawww.askapatient.com punch in progesterone and read the multiple commentsSubject: RE: New here, How do I stop WPTo: rhythmicliving Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 12:48 AM

Well, Tina, you couldn't pay me to take oral progesterone. Of the people I

know that have taken oral progesterone not one of them did well on it.

For that matter, what if your body only needed a teeny weeny little dinky

amount of progesterone, instead of the 75mg you were taking? You'd

certainly experience overdose symptoms and feel 'severely harmed'.

I'm 57, have been without uterus/ovaries since 1973, take transdermal

progesterone cream (~20mg) "dosed by symptoms" along with transdermal

estradiol and testosterone gels, and I feel GRRRRRRRRREAT.

By the way, I read that site you listed and give it a thumbs down.

It's best to first "properly" test/treat adrenals, then "properly"

test/treat thyroid (not with synthetics), and then "if" sex hormones do

not normalize on their own (for those with uterus/ovaries) that's when

they should be addressed.

Sam

(owner/co-mod of the Yahoo group "thyroidless" )

57yr old great granny

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Please see this site:http://www.thcpweb. com/nutrition/ dale/hrt. asp

Good luck BTW I myself, have been severely harmed by using a mere

75 mg p.o.q.d for 10 weeks. I do not drink. I use no sugar.

I eat a very healthful diet. I use NO pharmaceutical drugs. After 20

months, I am still recovering from the damage that "natural, bio-identical

progesterone did". I got the progesterone from a group of complete whacks

from a "reputable" compounding pharmacy in Las Colinas (Irving) Texas.

Tina

[Guest guest]

Tina, it sounds as if you indeed had a bad experience with a compounder. Please

note that not all of them are bad-- sure, there are some awful ones out there,

but please don't assume all are quacks.

Also, please keep in mind that even though there are- yes, there are risks

associated with the use of hormones and even though there are side effects when

using progesterone as well as estrogen, it sure beats the alternative of not

having sufficient hormone function at all! Gahh, I'll take a few side effects

as opposed to the premature aging, heart disease, bone loss, depression, dried

up skin, etc....associated with estrogen deficiency.

Ellen

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> To: rhythmicliving

> Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 12:48 AM

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> certainly experience overdose symptoms and feel 'severely harmed'.

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> I'm 57, have been without uterus/ovaries since 1973, take transdermal

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> progesterone cream (~20mg) " dosed by symptoms " along with transdermal

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> estradiol and testosterone gels, and I feel GRRRRRRRRREAT.

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> By the way, I read that site you listed and give it a thumbs down.

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> It's best to first " properly " test/treat adrenals, then " properly "

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> not normalize on their own (for those with uterus/ovaries) that's when

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> Please see this site:http://www.thcpweb. com/nutrition/ dale/hrt. asp

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> Good luck BTW I myself, have been severely harmed by using a mere

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> 75 mg p.o.q.d for 10 weeks. I do not drink. I use no sugar.

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> I eat a very healthful diet. I use NO pharmaceutical drugs. After 20

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> months, I am still recovering from the damage that " natural, bio-identical

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> progesterone did " . I got the progesterone from a group of complete whacks

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for your concern, Tina.

I do not for one moment feel that I am playing Russian Roulette with my

life by replacing the sex hormones my missing ovaries do not make. When

ovaries are removed, the adrenal glands 'attempt' to make up the sex

hormones the body requires, at least in some part. This can definitely tax

the adrenals, and sometimes cause more problems. For someone with

hypOpituitarism, such as myself, the adrenals don't function properly at

all because they are not being signaled by the pituitary to work. You see,

I don't have to imagine how it would feel having little to no sex hormones

in my body because I spent 10 years on NO BHRT. It was dreadful and I was

horrbly ill.

You know what the real problem is with BHRT? Practitioners who don't know

what the heck they are doing.

Sam

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> I'm sorry that you give a 'thumbs down' to the site. She has helped me.I

> give the entire use of hormones a huge thumbs down myself.I implore

> everyone to look at what others have written; not all are negative, but

> most are. You cannot expect someone who has been severely hurt from

> charlatans pushing " natural " hormones to be complacent about this. I am

> happy that you are feeling great; after all, that is the objective, right?

> But you are playing Russian Roulette with your life; be

> careful!Tinawww.askapatient.com punch in progesterone and read the

> multiple comments

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> To: rhythmicliving

> Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 12:48 AM

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> Well, Tina, you couldn't pay me to take oral progesterone. Of the

> people I

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> know that have taken oral progesterone not one of them did well on it.

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> For that matter, what if your body only needed a teeny weeny little dinky

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> amount of progesterone, instead of the 75mg you were taking? You'd

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> certainly experience overdose symptoms and feel 'severely harmed'.

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> I'm 57, have been without uterus/ovaries since 1973, take transdermal

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> progesterone cream (~20mg) " dosed by symptoms " along with transdermal

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> estradiol and testosterone gels, and I feel GRRRRRRRRREAT.

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> By the way, I read that site you listed and give it a thumbs down.

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> It's best to first " properly " test/treat adrenals, then " properly "

>

> test/treat thyroid (not with synthetics), and then " if " sex hormones do

>

> not normalize on their own (for those with uterus/ovaries) that's when

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> they should be addressed.

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> Sam

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> (owner/co-mod of the Yahoo group " thyroidless " )

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> 57yr old great granny

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[Guest guest]

Oh gosh, Sam...I gotta agree with your response here. And your last paragraph says it all. I would give anything for practitioners to "GET IT".

To: rhythmicliving Sent: Tue, December 29, 2009 10:38:37 AMSubject: RE: New here, How do I stop WP

Thanks for your concern, Tina.I do not for one moment feel that I am playing Russian Roulette with mylife by replacing the sex hormones my missing ovaries do not make. Whenovaries are removed, the adrenal glands 'attempt' to make up the sexhormones the body requires, at least in some part. This can definitely taxthe adrenals, and sometimes cause more problems. For someone withhypOpituitarism, such as myself, the adrenals don't function properly atall because they are not being signaled by the pituitary to work. You see,I don't have to imagine how it would feel having little to no sex hormonesin my body because I spent 10 years on NO BHRT. It was dreadful and I washorrbly ill.You know what the real problem is with BHRT? Practitioners who don't knowwhat the heck they are doing.Sam=====> I'm sorry that you give a 'thumbs down' to the site. She has helped me.I> give the

entire use of hormones a huge thumbs down myself.I implore> everyone to look at what others have written; not all are negative, but> most are. You cannot expect someone who has been severely hurt from> charlatans pushing "natural" hormones to be complacent about this. I am> happy that you are feeling great; after all, that is the objective, right?> But you are playing Russian Roulette with your life; be> careful!Tinawww. askapatient. com punch in progesterone and read the> multiple comments>> >> From: k9gangopenaccess (DOT) org <k9gangopenaccess (DOT) org>> Subject: RE: New here, How do I stop WP> To: rhythmicliving@ yahoogroups. com> Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 12:48 AM>>>> Well, Tina, you couldn't pay me to take oral progesterone. Of the> people I>> know that have taken oral progesterone not one of them did well on it.>> For that matter, what if your body only needed a teeny weeny little dinky>> amount of progesterone, instead of the 75mg you were taking? You'd>> certainly experience overdose symptoms and feel 'severely

harmed'.>>>> I'm 57, have been without uterus/ovaries since 1973, take transdermal>> progesterone cream (~20mg) "dosed by symptoms" along with transdermal>> estradiol and testosterone gels, and I feel GRRRRRRRRREAT.>>>> By the way, I read that site you listed and give it a thumbs down. >>>> It's best to first "properly" test/treat adrenals, then "properly">> test/treat thyroid (not with synthetics), and then "if" sex hormones do>> not normalize on their own (for those with uterus/ovaries) that's when>> they should be addressed.>>>> Sam>> (owner/co-mod of the Yahoo group "thyroidless" )>> 57yr old great granny>

[Guest guest]

Tina, this person does not

include any research references and is selling products.  That eliminates her as a valid resource.

I take Prometrium 200 mg for 10

days a month and do just fine with it.  If

I didn't use estradiol, I wouldn't use any progesterone.

I agree with you about

progesterone cream.  It only protects the

endometrium in 32% of women who use exogenous estrogen.

Val

From:

rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] On

Behalf Of Tina Stanley

Please

see this site:

http://www.thcpweb.com/nutrition/dale/hrt.asp

Good

luck

BTW

I myself, have been severely harmed by using a mere 75 mg p.o.q.d for 10

weeks.

I

do not drink. I use no sugar. I eat a very healthful diet.

I use NO pharmaceutical drugs.

After

20 months, I am still recovering from the damage that " natural,

bio-identical progesterone did " . I got the progesterone from a

group of complete whacks from a " reputable " compounding pharmacy in

Las Colinas (Irving) Texas.

Tina

Tina, where is the research

that " all forms of progesterone that man has made is

dangerous " ? Are you referring to progestins?

Val

[Guest guest]

Amen, Ellen.

Val

-----Original Message-----

From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] On

Behalf Of Ellen

Gahh, I'll take a few side effects as opposed to the

premature aging, heart disease, bone loss, depression, dried up skin,

etc....associated with estrogen deficiency.

[Guest guest]

I take oral progesterone and do fine with it.

Val

-----Original Message-----

From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]

On Behalf Of k9gang@...

Well, Tina, you couldn't pay me to take oral progesterone. Of the people I

know that have taken oral progesterone not one of them did well on it.

[Guest guest]

You're my first.

Sam

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> I take oral progesterone and do fine with it.

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> Val

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> -----Original Message-----

> From: rhythmicliving

> [mailto:rhythmicliving ]

> On Behalf Of k9gang@...

>

> Well, Tina, you couldn't pay me to take oral progesterone. Of the people I

> know that have taken oral progesterone not one of them did well on it.

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[Guest guest]

I just started taking oral progesterone (200 mgs) and so far I seem to be doing

fine on it as well. Aside from a bit of water weight. It's helping me sleep too.

Ellen

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> I take oral progesterone and do fine with it.

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> Val

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> -----Original Message-----

> From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]

> On Behalf Of k9gang@...

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> Well, Tina, you couldn't pay me to take oral progesterone. Of the people I

> know that have taken oral progesterone not one of them did well on it.

>

[Guest guest]

Agreed. " Dr. " is selling something, of course she's biased. Her marketing

strategy is heavily slanted and her use of scare tactics are so that you are

hooked into buying her " Hormone Rejuvenation System " .

Digging further into her website, it says that she's the founder of

International College of Naturopathy. Naturopaths are doctors in a sense but

aren't quite the same as MDs. They resist drugs and flat out dismiss hormone

replacement in an attempt to heal using natural remedies-- which is fine in some

cases, but it isn't always that simple.

When you're deficient in a hormone, you're deficient. Why not safely get

assistance?

Ellen

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> Tina, where is the research that " all forms of progesterone that man has made

is dangerous " ? Are you referring to progestins?

> Val

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[Guest guest]

My naturopath prescribes my BHRT, natural thyroid, and adrenal support.

He doesn't charge an arm and a leg, doesn't use scare tactics to sell

products, works 'with' the patient, appreciates an 'educated' patient, and

he cares. Pretty rare in my part of the world. It took 'a while' to find

this guy because he doesn't advertise.

Sam :-D

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> Agreed. " Dr. " is selling something, of course she's biased. Her

> marketing strategy is heavily slanted and her use of scare tactics are so

> that you are hooked into buying her " Hormone Rejuvenation System " .

>

> Digging further into her website, it says that she's the founder of

> International College of Naturopathy. Naturopaths are doctors in a sense

> but aren't quite the same as MDs. They resist drugs and flat out dismiss

> hormone replacement in an attempt to heal using natural remedies-- which

> is fine in some cases, but it isn't always that simple.

>

> When you're deficient in a hormone, you're deficient. Why not safely get

> assistance?

>

> Ellen

>

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>> Tina, this person does not include any research references and is

>> selling products. That eliminates her as a valid resource.

>>

>> I take Prometrium 200 mg for 10 days a month and do just fine with it.

>> If I didn't use estradiol, I wouldn't use any progesterone.

>>

>> I agree with you about progesterone cream. It only protects the

>> endometrium in 32% of women who use exogenous estrogen.

>>

>> Val

>>

[Guest guest]

I've been using progesterone cream for couple years and doing fine, also use estradiol.....

Blessings, Margaret"We are not held back by the love we didn't receive in the past, but by the love we're not extending in the present." nne on

[Guest guest]

Val, I have a question about the Prometrium. You take it for 10 days-- my doc

wants me to take it for 14 days. I really don't want to take it that long. Do

you have any research/documentation that states 10 days is sufficient?

Thx

Ellen

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> Tina, where is the research that " all forms of progesterone that man has made

is dangerous " ? Are you referring to progestins?

> Val

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[Guest guest]

My doc said 10 days. If you look in the dosing information for Prometrium,

I believe it says 10 - 12 days.

http://www.prometrium.com/HCP_home.html

-----Original Message-----

Val, I have a question about the Prometrium. You take it for 10 days-- my

doc wants me to take it for 14 days. I really don't want to take it that

long. Do you have any research/documentation that states 10 days is

sufficient?

Thx

Ellen

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> Tina, where is the research that " all forms of progesterone that man has

made is dangerous " ? Are you referring to progestins?

> Val

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