Re: HELP!

[Guest guest]

I have been pondering the meaning of "balanced" for a long time now. I know when we are young, our own hormones fluctuate in response to triggers from glands and organs and even stress. I have no idea how we are to balance them when those triggers are no longer working. Even if I apply the same amount of estradiol every day, some days it works and some days I have to use more, some days less. I can never find a level doseage that works at all times, and maybe that's how it's supposed to be.

I'm not speaking to your situation, which sounds HORRIBLE. I read the WP book and there but for the grace of God ... so happy some voice inside me said NUH UH, but I'm the kind of person who would fall for it. Just that nagging intution that wouldn't let me.

Even without it, though, "balance" is elusive.

Gael

Liz,

Thanks for the reply. I have been using WP creams in my own way..I cannot tolerate more than 2 lines of P. Oral P had me falling asleep! It came in handy at night though! Yes, I was using BHRT before WP. My symptoms would come back though. I felt that a "cycle" would be good..but so far, no period! I just wonder why. I am very tired of this WP crap. I want to find a good, accessible Dr to help me get balanced with natural hormones.

Thanks,

Terri

[Guest guest]

I am wondering what everyone's symptoms have been on the WP. I have been on WP since last Aug...and the P immediately made me a crazy person!!! I was told to use 50% less P. I still have not had a period, and they keep raising my E..I am on WP+5, have even used more than that. If I go down on the E now, I get hot flashes. The P is pure hell, I cry, get bloated, am a bitch, can't sleep..and on and on. If I use more than 2 lines of P, this is what happens. I am concerned that I have not bled..TS Wiley's people have told me I need more P!! Go to hell! It seems by bloodwork that my E converts to estrone more than estradiol. I have asked about my thyroid, my adrenals, etc., and am told my receptors are just not "awake" yet..right. I will not give up the E, as I will not suffer from the

symptoms. BTW, I am only 50..last period was when I was 47. It's not like I have been in menopause for years and years! What could be going on with me????? Am I crazy??? I changed the subject line because I could not post any other way..sorry!

Thanks,

Terri

Subject: Re: emails from Caren abt RLTo: rhythmicliving Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 1:33 PM

whew! my mom was on the certified wiley protocol and lost her hair! not an olive oil formula, but the real mccoy!

sounds like susie is holding the grudge!

-celty

emails from Caren abt RL

(I've been on WP 1 yr. Just found RL website and emailed Caren with questions). Here are her responses:"This information is 5 yrs old, not accurate, and from a woman who has a personal vendetta against Susie.There is no scientific evidence that progesterone does this. If progesterone stayed in your body you would not bleed. That's what pregnancy is for 9 months. I have been on WP for 6 1/2 yrs and have had no issues. This was written 5 yrs ago when Bent aligned with the RL group. Please read "Debunking Rhythmic Living's Supra Pharmalogical Dosage Argument" on our website in "Myths about the Wiley Protocol". I hope this rests your mind at ease. The symptoms on the RL site are normal symptoms of menopause and disrhythmic hormones. The women on this site weren't really on the WP for any length of time. They switched to olive oil base and really screwed themselves up by self-dosing and blaming everyone but themselves.It is a

lie and 5 yr old information. They were on it for a few months and then switched to an olive oil base against our advice and all hell broke loose. Don't believe everything you read on the internet. Even the few months they were on it, they weren't at a Wiley pharmacy most of the time. That's not Wiley………….This is the last time I will be responding to any more questions about Rhythmic Living. This information is not only BS and taken completely out of context but it's also not scientifically accurate by any means.Why are you doing this?I already told you that this woman had a personal vendetta with TS and too much time on her hands.I'm done."

[Guest guest]

Hi Terri,

If it

were me knowing what I know now, I would get off the WP. You might have to wean

down on the E. I am now stuck at a high dose also – 6-8mg per day. It sucks.

But I had a hyst so, I’m not concerned about my uterus. Have you had your

lining checked? Were you using any hormones pre WP?

You are

not crazy. The protocol is not working. I struggled with it for a year before I

went bonkers with extreme anxiety. It was crazy. I hate to say it but Iâ€ve

never recovered. I’ve had one thing after another over the last 6 years and I

blame it on the protocol. I don’t have proof but that’s when it all went to

hell in a hand basket for me.

I would

look for someone who prescribes BHRT and go that route.

Liz

From:

rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] On

Behalf Of Terri Cemail

Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 6:12 PM

To: rhythmicliving

Subject: Re: HELP!

I am wondering what everyone's symptoms have been on the

WP. I have been on WP since last Aug...and the P immediately made me a

crazy person!!! I was told to use 50% less P. I still have not

had a period, and they keep raising my E..I am on WP+5, have even used more

than that. If I go down on the E now, I get hot flashes. The P is

pure hell, I cry, get bloated, am a bitch, can't sleep..and on and on.

If I use more than 2 lines of P, this is what happens. I am concerned

that I have not bled..TS Wiley's people have told me I need more P!! Go

to hell! It seems by bloodwork that my E converts to estrone more than

estradiol. I have asked about my thyroid, my adrenals, etc., and am

told my receptors are just not " awake " yet..right. I will not

give up the E, as I will not suffer from the symptoms. BTW, I am only

50..last period was when I was 47. It's not like I have been in

menopause for years and years! What could be going on with

me????? Am I crazy??? I changed the subject line because I could

not post any other way..sorry!

Thanks,

Terri

Subject: Re: emails from Caren abt RL

To: rhythmicliving

Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 1:33 PM

whew! my mom was on the certified wiley protocol

and lost her hair! not an olive oil formula, but the real mccoy!

sounds like susie is holding the grudge!

-celty

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Original Message -----

From: evopala

To: rhythmicliving@

yahoogroups. com

Sent: Tuesday, June 01,

2010 6:41 PM

Subject:

emails from Caren abt RL

(I've been on WP 1 yr. Just

found RL website and emailed Caren with questions). Here are her responses:

" This information is 5 yrs old, not accurate, and from a woman who has a

personal vendetta against Susie.

There is no scientific evidence that progesterone does this. If progesterone

stayed in your body you would not bleed. That's what pregnancy is for 9

months.

I have been on WP for 6 1/2 yrs and have had no issues.

This was written 5 yrs ago when Bent aligned with the RL group. Please read

" Debunking Rhythmic Living's Supra Pharmalogical Dosage Argument "

on our website in " Myths about the Wiley Protocol " . I hope this

rests your mind at ease.

The symptoms on the RL site are normal symptoms of menopause and disrhythmic

hormones. The women on this site weren't really on the WP for any length of

time. They switched to olive oil base and really screwed themselves up by

self-dosing and blaming everyone but themselves.

It is a lie and 5 yr old information. They were on it for a few months and

then switched to an olive oil base against our advice and all hell broke

loose. Don't believe everything you read on the internet. Even the few months

they were on it, they weren't at a Wiley pharmacy most of the time. That's

not Wiley………….

This is the last time I will be responding to any more questions about

Rhythmic Living. This information is not only BS and taken completely out of

context but it's also not scientifically accurate by any means.

Why are you doing this?

I already told you that this woman had a personal vendetta with TS and too

much time on her hands.

I'm done. "

[Guest guest]

Liz,

Thanks for the reply. I have been using WP creams in my own way..I cannot tolerate more than 2 lines of P. Oral P had me falling asleep! It came in handy at night though! Yes, I was using BHRT before WP. My symptoms would come back though. I felt that a "cycle" would be good..but so far, no period! I just wonder why. I am very tired of this WP crap. I want to find a good, accessible Dr to help me get balanced with natural hormones.

Thanks,

Terri

From: Celty Kearney <celtyverizon (DOT) net>Subject: Re: emails from Caren abt RLTo: rhythmicliving@ yahoogroups. comDate: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 1:33 PM

whew! my mom was on the certified wiley protocol and lost her hair! not an olive oil formula, but the real mccoy!

sounds like susie is holding the grudge!

-celty

emails from Caren abt RL

(I've been on WP 1 yr. Just found RL website and emailed Caren with questions). Here are her responses:"This information is 5 yrs old, not accurate, and from a woman who has a personal vendetta against Susie.There is no scientific evidence that progesterone does this. If progesterone stayed in your body you would not bleed. That's what pregnancy is for 9 months. I have been on WP for 6 1/2 yrs and have had no issues. This was written 5 yrs ago when Bent aligned with the RL group. Please read "Debunking Rhythmic Living's Supra Pharmalogical Dosage Argument" on our website in "Myths about the Wiley Protocol". I hope this rests your mind at ease. The symptoms on the RL site are normal symptoms of menopause and disrhythmic hormones. The women on this site weren't really on the WP for any length of time. They switched to olive oil base and really screwed themselves up by self-dosing and blaming everyone but

themselves.It is a lie and 5 yr old information. They were on it for a few months and then switched to an olive oil base against our advice and all hell broke loose. Don't believe everything you read on the internet. Even the few months they were on it, they weren't at a Wiley pharmacy most of the time. That's not Wiley………….This is the last time I will be responding to any more questions about Rhythmic Living. This information is not only BS and taken completely out of context but it's also not scientifically accurate by any means.Why are you doing this?I already told you that this woman had a personal vendetta with TS and too much time on her hands.I'm done."

[Guest guest]

I would go with what feels good until it doesn't. Right now the extra P seems to be helping you. So long as it's bio-identical, and you feel better on it, if it were me, and I'm no doctor, I would stay on it.

Gael

ok. you all got me scared! i am 35 and after saliva and other tests, my hormones showed elevated E and very low P. I am using a progesterone cream now and my very heavy periods turned to normal periods and my raging pms (really, ppmd) got better.

but still, all the bad things I hear about P makes me scared. Would you say in my situation that it would be right for me?

4 years ago, one doctor put me on the vivelle patch during pms and that helped, too. got rid of the debilitating pms headaches.

I'm confused! But at least now I know that the e is high, p is low.

thanks!!

Celty

Re: HELP!

Back when I took P (vaginal suppositories), along with estradiol, I had increasing health problems that we couldn't figure out - dizziness, vertigo, headaches, crying jags, bloating, to the point that I was scanned for a brain tumor. The P was supposed to protect my uterus, but it didn't, I ended up having a hysterectomy (uterus only) for complex hyperplasia with atypia. As soon as I stopped the P, the other symptoms went away. Gone, Overnight.

Gael, who can never be convinced that P is a good thing for a peri or post menopausal woman to take, since our own bodies make very little of it naturally after meno

The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. Get busy.

[Guest guest]

ok. you all got me scared! i am 35 and after saliva and other tests, my hormones showed elevated E and very low P. I am using a progesterone cream now and my very heavy periods turned to normal periods and my raging pms (really, ppmd) got better.

but still, all the bad things I hear about P makes me scared. Would you say in my situation that it would be right for me?

4 years ago, one doctor put me on the vivelle patch during pms and that helped, too. got rid of the debilitating pms headaches.

I'm confused! But at least now I know that the e is high, p is low.

thanks!!

Celty

Re: HELP!

Back when I took P (vaginal suppositories), along with estradiol, I had increasing health problems that we couldn't figure out - dizziness, vertigo, headaches, crying jags, bloating, to the point that I was scanned for a brain tumor. The P was supposed to protect my uterus, but it didn't, I ended up having a hysterectomy (uterus only) for complex hyperplasia with atypia. As soon as I stopped the P, the other symptoms went away. Gone, Overnight.

Gael, who can never be convinced that P is a good thing for a peri or post menopausal woman to take, since our own bodies make very little of it naturally after meno

The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. Get busy.

[Guest guest]

I agree! If your periods normalized, and you feel better, then it's working for you right now. Now, in the future that could change, but then you'd be tested and go from there. Don't be scared, every BODY is different!!

Terri

Subject: Re: HELP!To: rhythmicliving Date: Sunday, June 13, 2010, 10:20 PM

I would go with what feels good until it doesn't. Right now the extra P seems to be helping you. So long as it's bio-identical, and you feel better on it, if it were me, and I'm no doctor, I would stay on it.

Gael

In a message dated 6/13/2010 5:17:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time, celtyverizon (DOT) net writes:

ok. you all got me scared! i am 35 and after saliva and other tests, my hormones showed elevated E and very low P. I am using a progesterone cream now and my very heavy periods turned to normal periods and my raging pms (really, ppmd) got better.

but still, all the bad things I hear about P makes me scared. Would you say in my situation that it would be right for me?

4 years ago, one doctor put me on the vivelle patch during pms and that helped, too. got rid of the debilitating pms headaches.

I'm confused! But at least now I know that the e is high, p is low.

thanks!!

Celty

Re: HELP!

Back when I took P (vaginal suppositories) , along with estradiol, I had increasing health problems that we couldn't figure out - dizziness, vertigo, headaches, crying jags, bloating, to the point that I was scanned for a brain tumor. The P was supposed to protect my uterus, but it didn't, I ended up having a hysterectomy (uterus only) for complex hyperplasia with atypia. As soon as I stopped the P, the other symptoms went away. Gone, Overnight.

Gael, who can never be convinced that P is a good thing for a peri or post menopausal woman to take, since our own bodies make very little of it naturally after meno

The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. Get busy.

[Guest guest]

I agree

with Gael, if it’s working, don’t worry!

From:

rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] On

Behalf Of Celty Kearney

Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 3:16 PM

To: rhythmicliving

Subject: Re: HELP!

ok. you all got me scared! i am 35 and after

saliva and other tests, my hormones showed elevated E and very low P. I

am using a progesterone cream now and my very heavy periods turned to normal

periods and my raging pms (really, ppmd) got better.

but still, all the bad things I hear about P makes me

scared. Would you say in my situation that it would be right for me?

4 years ago, one doctor put me on the vivelle patch

during pms and that helped, too. got rid of the debilitating pms

headaches.

I'm confused! But at least now I know that the e is

high, p is low.

thanks!!

Celty

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Original Message -----

From: Janet A

To: rhythmicliving

Sent: Saturday, June 12,

2010 10:25 PM

Subject: RE:

HELP!

Interesting.... I am one who can't take P because it brings back the

hot flashes that taking E reduces. I've now had two D & Cs in 2

years, one for a 11 mm lining amassed after taking mostly

unopposed E though I took P until the flashes would return and

then would back off. The second D & C (14mm lining) amassed

while taking no E (I was taking herbs & supplements to help with

flashes). So, who knows what that's all about.

When I asked my gyn what was going on with all this lining build up she

didn't have an answer since one was " blamed " on E and the other had

no excuse. She said I might just have sensitive receptors in my

uterus. She did say that as long as I didn't build up a lining she

would have no problem with me taking E without P, otherwise, no way!

Janet

To: rhythmicliving

From: gaelgreen@...

Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 23:06:14 -0400

Subject: Re: HELP!

Back when I took P (vaginal suppositories), along with estradiol,

I had increasing health problems that we couldn't figure out - dizziness,

vertigo, headaches, crying jags, bloating, to the point that I was scanned for

a brain tumor. The P was supposed to protect my uterus, but it didn't, I

ended up having a hysterectomy (uterus only) for complex hyperplasia with

atypia. As soon as I stopped the P, the other symptoms went away.

Gone, Overnight.

Gael, who can never be convinced that P is a good thing for a peri

or post menopausal woman to take, since our own bodies make very little of it

naturally after meno

The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail

accounts with Hotmail. Get busy.