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Anil,

I have no experience with the revitapops but one thing that struck me in your

post is that it sounds like you started all the supplements all at once. This is

something you should never do while doing biomedical treatements. It's a shame

that the DAN doctors don't tell this to newbies.

Always try one thing at a time. Start at 1/8th the recommended dose and build it

up to recommended dose or tolerable dose slowly over a period of a week or so.

This process is usually called " start low and slow " by biomed parents. This way,

you can figure out exactly which supplement is doing what, and what exact dose

is tolerable for your particular child. It is very essential to closely observe

the child and write down your observations daily in a log. Write what you gave,

what dosage, what the reactions were. This way you have everything documented

and you can go back to it later on. You even begin to see trends about what

family of supplements your child is unable to tolerate, etc. The biomedical path

is one of trial and error and therefore you need to be very methodical in your

approach. Once you have stabilized your child on the first supplement, start the

second one, then the next, and so on. This may sound like a time consuming

process, and I know that in the beginning you just want to start everything as

soon as possible, but in the long run, believe me this slow, methodical way is

the best way to go. You'll save a lot of time and agony by taking it step by

step and slowly. You'll find that some supplements will be well tolerated, whiel

others are not. Some supplements that do wonders for one child may be a disaster

for yours and vice versa. It all depends on the child's biochemistry. Every

child is so different in what they can tolerate and how they detoxify that there

are no guarantees about anything, unfortunately.

It is also hard to find out if the adverse reactions you are seeing are a sort

of " adjustment period " reaction, or die-off reaction, or intolerance/allergic

reaction. In my opinion this is the hardest part about the whole biomed path.

But overtime you learn to read your child's symptoms and learn what works for

your child and what doesn't.

Good luck!

Sangeeta

>

> Hi Folks,

> I am new to this group and I just wanted to introduce myself a bit. I have a

son (my only child) who has been diagnosed with ASD in the month of June this

year. He has been diagnosed as high functioning. He seems to have a good eye

contact and responds when his name is called. But lacks in focus, behaviour

appropriateness, sociability, conversational communications.

>

> We had our fitst appoitment with a DAN doctor on Thursday last week (7/16).

But while we were waiting to meet the DAN doctor, I thought I would try the mb12

lollipop on my son. Immediately I started seeing some great improvements in him

- increased focus, more appropriate behaviour and attendtiveness, increased

speech. More obedient, etc. This was there for about 4 days.

>

> Then we started to see hyperactivity which I thought was fine since mb12 could

cause hyperactivity. At this point we also started giving him for the first time

all the vitamins and minerals (Brainchild Nutritionals Spectrum Support

Ultra-Sensitive I & II). Probiotics, Enzym-Complete/ DPP-IVâ„¢ (kirkman) and

Nordic Naturals - Arctic Cod Liver Oil (orange flavor) - 8 fl oz.

>

> We started to observe over the next 4 days- increased hyperactivity, stimming

(jumping), mouthing, etc. I am fine with these side-effects (from Dr

Neubranders' protocol) and understand that these would fade away after a few

days/weeks.

>

> But we also started to see regression symptoms - lost in his own world, not

responding to his name well, decreased focus, etc. We have not seen such

negative behaviour even before we started him on GFCF 3 weeks ago. So this is a

cause of concern that we saw a roller coaster ride where we saw some initial

great gains (first 4 days) and then it all went away and in addition brought up

some side effects as well as regressive symtoms.

>

> Our DAN doctor also prescribed mb12 nasal spray which I was wondering whether

or not give it to him since we saw such regressive symptoms. Would anyone have

an idea of what might have happened with my son ? And would mb12 therapy really

for my son or not ?

>

> Thanks,

> Anil.

>

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I would go back. Stop all the supplements. Then add one at a time slowly like

Sangeeta said. It has taken us FOREVER to get through the list of supplements

our DAN told us to start along with diet changes too. We are not all the way

through bc we have added even more than he said but we are getting there.

> >

> > Hi Folks,

> > I am new to this group and I just wanted to introduce myself a bit. I have a

son (my only child) who has been diagnosed with ASD in the month of June this

year. He has been diagnosed as high functioning. He seems to have a good eye

contact and responds when his name is called. But lacks in focus, behaviour

appropriateness, sociability, conversational communications.

> >

> > We had our fitst appoitment with a DAN doctor on Thursday last week (7/16).

But while we were waiting to meet the DAN doctor, I thought I would try the mb12

lollipop on my son. Immediately I started seeing some great improvements in him

- increased focus, more appropriate behaviour and attendtiveness, increased

speech. More obedient, etc. This was there for about 4 days.

> >

> > Then we started to see hyperactivity which I thought was fine since mb12

could cause hyperactivity. At this point we also started giving him for the

first time all the vitamins and minerals (Brainchild Nutritionals Spectrum

Support Ultra-Sensitive I & II). Probiotics, Enzym-Complete/ DPP-IVâ„¢ (kirkman)

and Nordic Naturals - Arctic Cod Liver Oil (orange flavor) - 8 fl oz.

> >

> > We started to observe over the next 4 days- increased hyperactivity,

stimming (jumping), mouthing, etc. I am fine with these side-effects (from Dr

Neubranders' protocol) and understand that these would fade away after a few

days/weeks.

> >

> > But we also started to see regression symptoms - lost in his own world, not

responding to his name well, decreased focus, etc. We have not seen such

negative behaviour even before we started him on GFCF 3 weeks ago. So this is a

cause of concern that we saw a roller coaster ride where we saw some initial

great gains (first 4 days) and then it all went away and in addition brought up

some side effects as well as regressive symtoms.

> >

> > Our DAN doctor also prescribed mb12 nasal spray which I was wondering

whether or not give it to him since we saw such regressive symptoms. Would

anyone have an idea of what might have happened with my son ? And would mb12

therapy really for my son or not ?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Anil.

> >

>

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Anil-  it’s hard to tell what causing what since you are

starting several things.  I can say that you might see some regression with the

detoxing from going GFCF.  Some kids really regress during this time when the

body is clearing out the gluten, etc.  You also started cod Liver oil and this

will push things out too.  I would back off and start these things one at a time

for a week each and add one at a time slowly.  I had talked to Dr. Neubrander a

couple years ago when he told me that he starts parents on the B12 b/c he can

usually get a big bang from it and then he can get the parents to buy-into the

diet, etc.  However, I think that the diet should be in place first and then

you can fine tune after the child’s gut has healed. 

Zinc can help with hyperactivity and so will folinic acid.  I

assume your multi-s are providing cal/magnesium at a good ratio too, magnesium

helps with hyperactivity.  It’s like mixing a cocktail to find the right ratios

for each child.  I wish you luck – it sounds like you are really getting into

the biomed quickly which will only benefit your son!  Best wishes to you.    

Heidi J

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mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf

Of Anil Kumar

Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 3:32 PM

To: mb12 valtrex

Subject: mb12 revitapop

Hi Folks,

I am new to this group and I just wanted to introduce myself a bit. I have a

son (my only child) who has been diagnosed with ASD in the month of June this

year. He has been diagnosed as high functioning. He seems to have a good eye

contact and responds when his name is called. But lacks in focus, behaviour

appropriateness, sociability, conversational communications.

We had our fitst appoitment with a DAN doctor on Thursday

last week (7/16). But while we were waiting to meet the DAN doctor, I thought I

would try the mb12 lollipop on my son. Immediately I started seeing some great

improvements in him - increased focus, more appropriate behaviour and

attendtiveness, increased speech. More obedient, etc. This was there for about

4 days.

Then we started to see hyperactivity which I thought was

fine since mb12 could cause hyperactivity. At this point we also started giving

him for the first time all the vitamins and minerals (Brainchild Nutritionals

Spectrum Support Ultra-Sensitive I & II). Probiotics, Enzym-Complete/

DPP-IVâ„¢ (kirkman) and Nordic Naturals - Arctic Cod Liver Oil (orange flavor) -

8 fl oz.

We started to observe over the next 4 days- increased

hyperactivity, stimming (jumping), mouthing, etc. I am fine with these

side-effects (from Dr Neubranders' protocol) and understand that these would

fade away after a few days/weeks.

But we also started to see regression symptoms - lost in his

own world, not responding to his name well, decreased focus, etc. We have not

seen such negative behaviour even before we started him on GFCF 3 weeks ago. So

this is a cause of concern that we saw a roller coaster ride where we saw some

initial great gains (first 4 days) and then it all went away and in addition brought

up some side effects as well as regressive symtoms.

Our DAN doctor also prescribed mb12 nasal spray which I was

wondering whether or not give it to him since we saw such regressive symptoms.

Would anyone have an idea of what might have happened with my son ? And would

mb12 therapy really for my son or not ?

Thanks,

Anil.

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We only did the spray and my kid did better than ever for less than a week and

then we lost him for a few months. We went off of it after the first week since

we had the regression.... It took awhile to get him back. Then we tried super

nu thera,,, he started going nuts again. took him off the nu thera and he got

better again. We had his vitamin levels checked later, and he was not low in Bs

of any kind. So then I needed to find him a multi without B that did not

contain corn, egg, gluten, casein, soy, yeast. I couldn't find one so we

started giving him all his supplememts separate. Recently we found a multi

vitamin powder from our kids that is b less. We are giving it a go. So far so

good. I have leard lots of people tell stories about how mb12 makes their kid

go nuts. If I ever tried it again... it would be a once a week thing, me

thinks. Oh, and I'm sure you have been told by others,,, but low and slow on

all the supps is best. When we start something new, I give about a quarter dose

for the first week of only one supplement, then build up to the max. It usually

takes 2 or 3 weeks to start a new supplement in this house. It is a great way

to see what reactions are coming. Also, we do most of the new stuff during

school since the teachers are the best barometers of how the kid is reacting.

But we don't tell them what we are doig... we just ask them to report if they

see anything extra good or bad throughout the year.

..

>

> Anil- it’s hard to tell what causing what since you are starting several

things. I can say that you might see some regression with the detoxing from

going GFCF. Some kids really regress during this time when the body is clearing

out the gluten, etc. You also started cod Liver oil and this will push things

out too. I would back off and start these things one at a time for a week each

and add one at a time slowly. I had talked to Dr. Neubrander a couple years ago

when he told me that he starts parents on the B12 b/c he can usually get a big

bang from it and then he can get the parents to buy-into the diet, etc.

However, I think that the diet should be in place first and then you can fine

tune after the child’s gut has healed.

>

>

>

> Zinc can help with hyperactivity and so will folinic acid. I assume your

multi-s are providing cal/magnesium at a good ratio too, magnesium helps with

hyperactivity. It’s like mixing a cocktail to find the right ratios for each

child. I wish you luck †" it sounds like you are really getting into the

biomed quickly which will only benefit your son! Best wishes to you. Heidi

J

>

>

>

> From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On

Behalf Of Anil Kumar

> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 3:32 PM

> To: mb12 valtrex

> Subject: mb12 revitapop

>

>

>

>

>

> Hi Folks,

> I am new to this group and I just wanted to introduce myself a bit. I have a

son (my only child) who has been diagnosed with ASD in the month of June this

year. He has been diagnosed as high functioning. He seems to have a good eye

contact and responds when his name is called. But lacks in focus, behaviour

appropriateness, sociability, conversational communications.

>

>

>

> We had our fitst appoitment with a DAN doctor on Thursday last week (7/16).

But while we were waiting to meet the DAN doctor, I thought I would try the mb12

lollipop on my son. Immediately I started seeing some great improvements in him

- increased focus, more appropriate behaviour and attendtiveness, increased

speech. More obedient, etc. This was there for about 4 days.

>

>

>

> Then we started to see hyperactivity which I thought was fine since mb12 could

cause hyperactivity. At this point we also started giving him for the first time

all the vitamins and minerals (Brainchild Nutritionals Spectrum Support

Ultra-Sensitive I & II). Probiotics, Enzym-Complete/ DPP-IVâ„¢ (kirkman) and

Nordic Naturals - Arctic Cod Liver Oil (orange flavor) - 8 fl oz.

>

>

>

> We started to observe over the next 4 days- increased hyperactivity, stimming

(jumping), mouthing, etc. I am fine with these side-effects (from Dr

Neubranders' protocol) and understand that these would fade away after a few

days/weeks.

>

>

>

> But we also started to see regression symptoms - lost in his own world, not

responding to his name well, decreased focus, etc. We have not seen such

negative behaviour even before we started him on GFCF 3 weeks ago. So this is a

cause of concern that we saw a roller coaster ride where we saw some initial

great gains (first 4 days) and then it all went away and in addition brought up

some side effects as well as regressive symtoms.

>

>

>

> Our DAN doctor also prescribed mb12 nasal spray which I was wondering whether

or not give it to him since we saw such regressive symptoms. Would anyone have

an idea of what might have happened with my son ? And would mb12 therapy really

for my son or not ?

>

>

>

> Thanks,

>

> Anil.

>

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So did your son improve quite a bit from dietary interventions and then you did

MB-12 and had this experience? Did you try MB-12 before you began a special

diet or while you were experimenting? I am wondering because I used to give my

son MB-12 injections for about 5 months and then it seemed they were not

tolerated anymore, so I stopped. I restarted again and got the

hyperactivity/aggression/screaming business again so no more now. I wonder if

the diet somehow repairs this problem and they don't need as much anymore? What

do you think?

> >

> > Anil- it’s hard to tell what causing what since you are starting several

things. I can say that you might see some regression with the detoxing from

going GFCF. Some kids really regress during this time when the body is clearing

out the gluten, etc. You also started cod Liver oil and this will push things

out too. I would back off and start these things one at a time for a week each

and add one at a time slowly. I had talked to Dr. Neubrander a couple years ago

when he told me that he starts parents on the B12 b/c he can usually get a big

bang from it and then he can get the parents to buy-into the diet, etc.

However, I think that the diet should be in place first and then you can fine

tune after the child’s gut has healed.

> >

> >

> >

> > Zinc can help with hyperactivity and so will folinic acid. I assume your

multi-s are providing cal/magnesium at a good ratio too, magnesium helps with

hyperactivity. It’s like mixing a cocktail to find the right ratios for each

child. I wish you luck †" it sounds like you are really getting into the

biomed quickly which will only benefit your son! Best wishes to you. Heidi

J

> >

> >

> >

> > From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On

Behalf Of Anil Kumar

> > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 3:32 PM

> > To: mb12 valtrex

> > Subject: mb12 revitapop

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi Folks,

> > I am new to this group and I just wanted to introduce myself a bit. I have a

son (my only child) who has been diagnosed with ASD in the month of June this

year. He has been diagnosed as high functioning. He seems to have a good eye

contact and responds when his name is called. But lacks in focus, behaviour

appropriateness, sociability, conversational communications.

> >

> >

> >

> > We had our fitst appoitment with a DAN doctor on Thursday last week (7/16).

But while we were waiting to meet the DAN doctor, I thought I would try the mb12

lollipop on my son. Immediately I started seeing some great improvements in him

- increased focus, more appropriate behaviour and attendtiveness, increased

speech. More obedient, etc. This was there for about 4 days.

> >

> >

> >

> > Then we started to see hyperactivity which I thought was fine since mb12

could cause hyperactivity. At this point we also started giving him for the

first time all the vitamins and minerals (Brainchild Nutritionals Spectrum

Support Ultra-Sensitive I & II). Probiotics, Enzym-Complete/ DPP-IVâ„¢ (kirkman)

and Nordic Naturals - Arctic Cod Liver Oil (orange flavor) - 8 fl oz.

> >

> >

> >

> > We started to observe over the next 4 days- increased hyperactivity,

stimming (jumping), mouthing, etc. I am fine with these side-effects (from Dr

Neubranders' protocol) and understand that these would fade away after a few

days/weeks.

> >

> >

> >

> > But we also started to see regression symptoms - lost in his own world, not

responding to his name well, decreased focus, etc. We have not seen such

negative behaviour even before we started him on GFCF 3 weeks ago. So this is a

cause of concern that we saw a roller coaster ride where we saw some initial

great gains (first 4 days) and then it all went away and in addition brought up

some side effects as well as regressive symtoms.

> >

> >

> >

> > Our DAN doctor also prescribed mb12 nasal spray which I was wondering

whether or not give it to him since we saw such regressive symptoms. Would

anyone have an idea of what might have happened with my son ? And would mb12

therapy really for my son or not ?

> >

> >

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Anil.

> >

>

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