Re: Comparison needed between the GB-4000 and the Doug Coil

[Guest guest]

,

The GB 4000 cannot reach deep into the body. It is limited to electrical pathways with contact electrodes. There are many areas of the body that the GB 4000 cannot reach, These same area of the body is where Lyme and Co-infections like to hide. The Doug Coil Machine is by far more powerful than the GB4000 but power is only part of the equation. The vehicle of delivery is the most important for Lyme. The DCM uses a powerful magnetic field that can penetrate all body parts. This makes it impossible for any organisms to hide. The DCM has limitations in terms of frequency capabilities. They have a range limitation of 5000 hz.. For Lyme and Co this range is more than adequate. We chose the DCM for these reasons.

I would not be the least bit surprised if you find that all of the issues you are dealing with are connected to Lyme & Co

Terry

From: illusorynj

Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:12 PM

To: Lyme_and_Rife

Subject: Comparison needed between the GB-4000 and the Doug Coil

Please compare the Doug Coil and GB-4000 basic issues for meThere seem to be two main devices that the majority of people use, the Doug Coil and the GB-4000. I would like to know the main differences between them. I understand that the Doug Coil is more powerful , but is mainly for Lyme and coinfections. As I may have other things going on as well as Lyme-related, I was thinking the GB-4000 may be a better choice for me. I've had chronic fatigue and autoimmune problems for five years, spent a year on abx (which did nothing besides fixing a painful big toe joint), and the one bug test which was conclusively positive was for biofilms and hemo-Bartonella. My life is extremely limited due to my illness.I've heard some discussion about the ability of the GB-4000 to penetrate everywhere in the body. That it only penetrates a couple inches. You hold contact rods with this one, yes? If so, are we saying that only the hands are affected? This doesn't seem correct. As you can see, i need more information.Is it just a matter of spending more time with the GB-4000 because it has less power, or is it fundamentally unable to get to the organisms deeper in the body, brain, the cells, etc... I really need to understand this.If there are other available devices which have been well-used here, and found to be effective, please also let me know.Thanks for your experienced input,

[Guest guest]

If you get the optional MOPA device with the GB 4000 very expensive, I

personally think that it is every bit as powerful as a coil machine. The MOPA

device is the only rife machine that uses a carrier frequency with a plasma

tube. The plasma tube does not contain an anode or cathode which would

ordinarily be damaged by running a highly amplified signal with a carrier

frequency into a plasma bulb. The MOPA device was built based on the original

BeamRay machine that Rife built. Apparently one of Rife's original machines was

found stored in an attic in the midwest and the company took the device apart to

see how it worked and they modeled the MOPA after Rife's original machine using

modern technology as well.

I do think that the GB 4000 is much more flexible in things that can be treated

then a coil. For example a coil machine can not run frequencies in the higher

ranges which are used to treat Cancers. I love my Coil Machine, but would not

hesitate to trade it for a MOPA with amp. I believe that it is equally as

strong and more versatile. It is common knowledge that anyone who is sitting in

a room with someone using a plasma bulb will get a rife session. The plasma

tube has the highest penetrability even higher then a coil, and that is why you

must be physically in contact with a coil machine to do any good. There is a

serious drop in power if you hold a coil 6 inches from the body which is not the

case with a Plasma device. However, that being said, some are highly sensitive

to the high EMF output of the plasma devices, I am one of those people suffering

EMF sensitivity from an EMEM type machine but not from the coil, so I guess I

will hang on to my coil machine for now. As far as which machine to buy, I own

the GB 4000 with a 10 watt amp and the coil and it all depends on your financial

situation and your needs. If you can afford the MOPA and GB4000 and anticipate

that you may need it to treat Cancer, then I would go for it. If money is an

issue, then I would go with the coil. Much cheaper.

>

> ,

>

> The GB 4000 cannot reach deep into the body. It is limited to electrical

pathways with contact electrodes. There are many areas of the body that the GB

4000 cannot reach, These same area of the body is where Lyme and Co-infections

like to hide. The Doug Coil Machine is by far more powerful than the GB4000 but

power is only part of the equation. The vehicle of delivery is the most

important for Lyme. The DCM uses a powerful magnetic field that can penetrate

all body parts. This makes it impossible for any organisms to hide. The DCM has

limitations in terms of frequency capabilities. They have a range limitation of

5000 hz.. For Lyme and Co this range is more than adequate. We chose the DCM

for these reasons.

>

> I would not be the least bit surprised if you find that all of the issues you

are dealing with are connected to Lyme & Co

>

> Terry

>

> From: illusorynj

> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:12 PM

> To: Lyme_and_Rife

> Subject: Comparison needed between the GB-4000 and the Doug

Coil

>

>

> Please compare the Doug Coil and GB-4000 basic issues for me

> There seem to be two main devices that the majority of people use, the Doug

Coil and the GB-4000. I would like to know the main differences between them. I

understand that the Doug Coil is more powerful , but is mainly for Lyme and

coinfections. As I may have other things going on as well as Lyme-related, I was

thinking the GB-4000 may be a better choice for me. I've had chronic fatigue and

autoimmune problems for five years, spent a year on abx (which did nothing

besides fixing a painful big toe joint), and the one bug test which was

conclusively positive was for biofilms and hemo-Bartonella. My life is extremely

limited due to my illness.

>

> I've heard some discussion about the ability of the GB-4000 to penetrate

everywhere in the body. That it only penetrates a couple inches. You hold

contact rods with this one, yes? If so, are we saying that only the hands are

affected? This doesn't seem correct. As you can see, i need more information.

>

> Is it just a matter of spending more time with the GB-4000 because it has less

power, or is it fundamentally unable to get to the organisms deeper in the body,

brain, the cells, etc... I really need to understand this.

>

> If there are other available devices which have been well-used here, and found

to be effective, please also let me know.

>

> Thanks for your experienced input,

>

>

[Guest guest]

One other thing, Terry the coil machine really needs to stay below 1000 hz

unless you have a custom made smaller coil to run frequencies above 1000 hz.

5,000 hz is unheard of on a coil machine.

> >

> > ,

> >

> > The GB 4000 cannot reach deep into the body. It is limited to electrical

pathways with contact electrodes. There are many areas of the body that the GB

4000 cannot reach, These same area of the body is where Lyme and Co-infections

like to hide. The Doug Coil Machine is by far more powerful than the GB4000 but

power is only part of the equation. The vehicle of delivery is the most

important for Lyme. The DCM uses a powerful magnetic field that can penetrate

all body parts. This makes it impossible for any organisms to hide. The DCM has

limitations in terms of frequency capabilities. They have a range limitation of

5000 hz.. For Lyme and Co this range is more than adequate. We chose the DCM

for these reasons.

> >

> > I would not be the least bit surprised if you find that all of the issues

you are dealing with are connected to Lyme & Co

> >

> > Terry

> >

> > From: illusorynj

> > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:12 PM

> > To: Lyme_and_Rife

> > Subject: Comparison needed between the GB-4000 and the Doug

Coil

> >

> >

> > Please compare the Doug Coil and GB-4000 basic issues for me

> > There seem to be two main devices that the majority of people use, the Doug

Coil and the GB-4000. I would like to know the main differences between them. I

understand that the Doug Coil is more powerful , but is mainly for Lyme and

coinfections. As I may have other things going on as well as Lyme-related, I was

thinking the GB-4000 may be a better choice for me. I've had chronic fatigue and

autoimmune problems for five years, spent a year on abx (which did nothing

besides fixing a painful big toe joint), and the one bug test which was

conclusively positive was for biofilms and hemo-Bartonella. My life is extremely

limited due to my illness.

> >

> > I've heard some discussion about the ability of the GB-4000 to penetrate

everywhere in the body. That it only penetrates a couple inches. You hold

contact rods with this one, yes? If so, are we saying that only the hands are

affected? This doesn't seem correct. As you can see, i need more information.

> >

> > Is it just a matter of spending more time with the GB-4000 because it has

less power, or is it fundamentally unable to get to the organisms deeper in the

body, brain, the cells, etc... I really need to understand this.

> >

> > If there are other available devices which have been well-used here, and

found to be effective, please also let me know.

> >

> > Thanks for your experienced input,

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

,

With a standard coil we run 1550 regularly with our machine for up to 5 minutes and I have a smaller coil to run the higher frequencies.

Terry

From: jdp710

Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 1:17 AM

To: Lyme_and_Rife

Subject: Re: Comparison needed between the GB-4000 and the Doug Coil

FWIW, the Doug Coil can be used at higher frequencies. You just need a smaller mH coil. Also, it can be used for treating cancer as well and people have used the Doug Coil to treat cancer. Lower octave frequencies such as 2876 Hz and 2790 Hz 727, 2008 and 2128 for cancer as well as frequencies for parasites should be used when treating cancer. More info here http://www.royalrife.com/cancer.htmlhope this helpsIf you can afford the MOPA and GB4000 and anticipate that you may need it to treat Cancer, then I would go for it.

[Guest guest]

I would only buy the GB 4000 if you buy the MOPA with it. Otherwise, you are

right that you will have limited penetration and will not be able to eradicate

lyme.

>

> Please compare the Doug Coil and GB-4000 basic issues for me

> There seem to be two main devices that the majority of people use, the Doug

Coil and the GB-4000. I would like to know the main differences between them. I

understand that the Doug Coil is more powerful , but is mainly for Lyme and

coinfections. As I may have other things going on as well as Lyme-related, I was

thinking the GB-4000 may be a better choice for me. I've had chronic fatigue and

autoimmune problems for five years, spent a year on abx (which did nothing

besides fixing a painful big toe joint), and the one bug test which was

conclusively positive was for biofilms and hemo-Bartonella. My life is extremely

limited due to my illness.

>

> I've heard some discussion about the ability of the GB-4000 to penetrate

everywhere in the body. That it only penetrates a couple inches. You hold

contact rods with this one, yes? If so, are we saying that only the hands are

affected? This doesn't seem correct. As you can see, i need more information.

>

> Is it just a matter of spending more time with the GB-4000 because it has less

power, or is it fundamentally unable to get to the organisms deeper in the body,

brain, the cells, etc... I really need to understand this.

>

> If there are other available devices which have been well-used here, and found

to be effective, please also let me know.

>

> Thanks for your experienced input,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Terri,

I know that you can run 1550 when you depress the db button, but I found that

mine overheated faster going above 1000 hz. I know that recommends using a

small coil for the higher numbers. As far as the lower numbers to treat Cancer,

Barr tried lower numbers in the 1050s when he was told by the FCC that he

could not work with frequencies in the AM radio range. The frequencies in the

lower range were less effective with Cancer.

> If you can afford the MOPA and GB4000 and anticipate that you may need it to

treat Cancer, then I would go for it.

>

[Guest guest]

I'm confused about the statement that the GB-4000 cannot penetrate the body, that it requires a strong magnetic field like the Doug coil to do that. What is the reason for this opinion?From this paper that I read, plus the history of rife pdf that i received, it seems like cell penetration would not be a problem as long as you have the >1MHZ carrier frequency. Which the GB-4000 has.http://www.rifevideos.com/pdf/skin_effect_and_bio_electrical_impedance_analysis.pdfhttp://rife.org/john%20marsh/rifeinstrumenthistory.pdfIt appears from my reading so far that both these machines should achieve cell penetration with the frequencies, but simply do so in different ways. GB-4000 using RF and Doug Coil using EMF (?). Actually, it appears that the original Rife machines used RF (not that this is necessarily pertinent).What am I not understanding here, that would indicate the GB-4000 methodology doesn't get the frequencies into the cells? If the statement that it only reaches a couple inches into the body is true, then it should only affect the hands that hold the contacts, and that certainly cannot be the case, or it would be totally ineffective.Incidentally, it is very likely that I have something in addition to Lyme and coinfections going on with my CFS, so I do not want to limit myself to just those frequencies. Certainly there is a systemic candida issue after all that antibiotic exposure as well. And I would like to be able to use it for other infections and possible viral problems.I also am not too comfortable with all that EMF exposure, as I am pretty sensitive to it. I'm not prepared to pay that sum for the MOPA amp to do it, either. Thanks all, but please clarify...

[Guest guest]

The GB 4000 has not proved to be very effective at totally eradicating Lyme

which is so good at hiding. It is believed that it just doesn't penetrate deep

enough into the body where the lyme is and that it basically treats about 3

inches below the skin surface with the 10 watt amp. The GB 4000 with the

optional MOPA is very effective and it would be my first choice if I had

multiple organisms that I was trying to treat. The coil machine is the

quintessential Lyme killing device, but it can be a little more difficult to

treat organisms that are in the higher frequency ranges such as certain cancers.

I have both the GB 4000 and the Coil and use both of them all of the time.

>

> I'm confused about the statement that the GB-4000 cannot penetrate the

> body, that it requires a strong magnetic field like the Doug coil to do

> that. What is the reason for this opinion?

> From this paper that I read, plus the history of rife pdf that i

> received, it seems like cell penetration would not be a problem as long

> as you have the >1MHZ carrier frequency. Which the GB-4000 has.

> http://www.rifevideos.com/pdf/skin_effect_and_bio_electrical_impedance_a\

> nalysis.pdfhttp://rife.org/john%20marsh/rifeinstrumenthistory.pdf

> It appears from my reading so far that both these machines should

> achieve cell penetration with the frequencies, but simply do so in

> different ways. GB-4000 using RF and Doug Coil using EMF (?). Actually,

> it appears that the original Rife machines used RF (not that this is

> necessarily pertinent).

> What am I not understanding here, that would indicate the GB-4000

> methodology doesn't get the frequencies into the cells? If the statement

> that it only reaches a couple inches into the body is true, then it

> should only affect the hands that hold the contacts, and that certainly

> cannot be the case, or it would be totally ineffective.

> Incidentally, it is very likely that I have something in addition to

> Lyme and coinfections going on with my CFS, so I do not want to limit

> myself to just those frequencies. Certainly there is a systemic candida

> issue after all that antibiotic exposure as well. And I would like to be

> able to use it for other infections and possible viral problems.

> I also am not too comfortable with all that EMF exposure, as I am pretty

> sensitive to it. I'm not prepared to pay that sum for the MOPA amp to do

> it, either.

> Thanks all, but please clarify...

>

[Guest guest]

The only way I would consider the GB 4000 effective against Lyme is with the

MOPA device as I stated earlier. They are entirely different technogolies and

it would be difficult to make a comparison. The GB 4000 has a computer chip

that is programmable to run long lists of frequencies. It comes with factory

presets or programs for different organisms etc or you can make your own custom

program/channel. It has the ability to run 8 simultaneous frequencies thus

theoretically saving time, while the coil can only run one at a time. The coil

is 700 watts of power whereas the MOPA is just over 100 but because of the

design with the carrier frequency the company has come up with a way to mimic

the higher wattage output. The coil becomes less effective if it is held away

from the body, so in some respects it is like a contact machine. The plasma

device run by the GB 4000 can penetrate from quite a distance, while if you get

the hand held version with the 10 watt amp, you must be in contact with the foot

plates and hand cylanders. If you are not planning to spend the money to buy

the MOPA along with the GB 4000, I would definitely opt for the coil machine. I

hope this comparison was some help to you.

>

> Please compare the Doug Coil and GB-4000 basic issues for me

> There seem to be two main devices that the majority of people use, the Doug

Coil and the GB-4000. I would like to know the main differences between them. I

understand that the Doug Coil is more powerful , but is mainly for Lyme and

coinfections. As I may have other things going on as well as Lyme-related, I was

thinking the GB-4000 may be a better choice for me. I've had chronic fatigue and

autoimmune problems for five years, spent a year on abx (which did nothing

besides fixing a painful big toe joint), and the one bug test which was

conclusively positive was for biofilms and hemo-Bartonella. My life is extremely

limited due to my illness.

>

> I've heard some discussion about the ability of the GB-4000 to penetrate

everywhere in the body. That it only penetrates a couple inches. You hold

contact rods with this one, yes? If so, are we saying that only the hands are

affected? This doesn't seem correct. As you can see, i need more information.

>

> Is it just a matter of spending more time with the GB-4000 because it has less

power, or is it fundamentally unable to get to the organisms deeper in the body,

brain, the cells, etc... I really need to understand this.

>

> If there are other available devices which have been well-used here, and found

to be effective, please also let me know.

>

> Thanks for your experienced input,

>

>