Re: Re: What about chlorella

May 25, 2009

Hi Keda,

I have used Chlorella for the last 7 years and we are still taking it, my son- now 9 and healed from the Autism and myself. chlorella is packed with aminoacids, very rich " food". chlorella also has the ability to chelate ( to grab and hold) toxins, thus making them heavier and help the body extrete them. You will find 2 types of Chlorella- CHlorella growth factor - with cracked cell easy to digest if the child has sluggish digestion or it is constipated and normal chlorella. it is very important wher do you buy your chlorella from. CHloreall is grown in big pools and it need 2 things- water and sun to grow- it is an algae after all. he prolem with most commercial brands is that the yare grown in open pools- exposed to the air polution - therefore all the toxins in the air are absorbed by this chlorella and when you buy it, it is already pre polluted. The other source of contamination is the water the algae grwos into. Obviously you

don't need extra toxins, so stay with the sources from www.biopureus.com- Klinghardt- he is very adamant with his suppliers and he tests everything or wwwpurechlorella.com- both a re grown indoor in reverse osmosis water.

Nest is to give chlorella in combination with cilantro. Let me know how old is your kid - or is this for you and I will help you figure out the dosage.

WE take it every day for 2 reasons- good nutrition and sometime we might skip the salad, so I am covered with the green, light emititng rich food and to detox daily load of environmental junk. If you use it, I would usggest that you do a hairtest before you start and another one in 3 months, you will see the difference in overall toxic load going awy down.

Hope this helps?

Milena

To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 3:11:13 PMSubject: Re: What about chlorella

Are you parents using chlorella? This is a prefer supplement recommended from Dr. Klinghardt and Dr. Marcola.

Any feedback is appreciated.

keda-

-- On Sun, 5/24/09, and Stan <recoveringstan@ telus.net> wrote:

From: and Stan <recoveringstan@ telus.net>Subject: Re: Heidi N: Pathogens (Pleomorphic Bacteria) TreatmentTo: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comDate: Sunday, May 24, 2009, 12:49 PM

Hi Heidi,

Thanks so much for posting the herbs and supplements that you used. I have also been using a number of the ones you mentioned, after reading the information at Dr. Klinghardt's web site along with lyme induced autism site, etc. I have been cutting the recommended dosage on the supplement bottle/package by 1/3 because my son is only 38 lbs, but I'm a little confused as to how long I give them for before switching to another set of complimentary herbs and supplements. How long did you give one group for before alternating with another?

Thanks for your help Heidi. I definitely have seen great improvements with my son using pairs or groups of complimentary herbs and supplements, and agree that providing immune and detox support is just as important. I am positive I am on the right track. Just need some help in refining the protocol.

God bless.

TS:

We all need to be given honorary degrees in autism recovery for all that we learn. When you decide on using any herb, research on forums to learn what others and science have said is the side effects, die-off, etc. Each herb works in a different manner, and has it's own unique everything. You can use Valtrex, or aclyvor or whatever antiviral. Yes, they do help, because frankly, it would be extremely rare for one to not have a virus causing them symptoms as well.

The prescriptions used on pleomorphic pathogens are antibiotics, but go to the places I suggested to learn of which ones. I don't keep up with antibiotics much. Actually, pleomorphic pathogens will show up in testing after the person is well. Treating first and then testing is actually done a lot amongst the doctors who know about this. I have heard many doctors say, they test positive for these after they are well, after their body is strong enough to produce antibodies again. Remember, these pathogens suppress antibody production, this is why the immune system fails.

Yes, you can treat for pathogens and chelation at the same time. But, chelation is also very tricky. It can effect herbs, preservatives in foods, etc. and make them harmful. So, you really need to learn this well. I say it's probably best to skip all supplements on chelation days unless it is a known supplement that goes well with chelation. But, it all depends on your chelation method. We have not done the chelation techniques you see on the forums. Since many have posted that they got the most dumps in heavy metals when treating for pathogens, we are instead concentrating on mopping up toxins as we kill the pathogens.

Likely glutathione would not have to be too concerning, since it's mostly a mopper-upper. We used broccoli sprouts capsules to increase our glutathione and modifilan to mop up floating toxins and gobs of liver support to handle all those toxins. Antiviral treatments on average take longer to see results than when killing bacteria. The bacteria die-off is much worse as well. Mycoplasma may not be so bad. I imagine also which virus, bacteria or mycoplasma and then also which item used to kill them effects die-off and all. So, you will again have to research each method chosen and learn directly from that. We know antivirals are given for many months to many years. What is not known by many is that antibacterials also need to be given many months to many years.

Seeing results may vary depending upon many things. Sometimes you will see a huge reaction right away and sometimes it's gradual. It appears to take a lot of patience and going slow actually meant going faster here. Everytime we try to go fast, it was not as successful. If their organs can not handle the die-off, than their immune system stops helping the pathogen-killing item to work.

Ok, here is a quick list of what might work, some we have used, some we have not. One thing I have found is that we absolutely had to use at least two different pathogen-killing herbs to get any headway, and using more than that actually helped a lot more.

We have used Samento and Resveratrol with great results, but they will cause bad die-off at first.

We have used grapefruit seed extract given the same day as cod liver oil which also got results.

We used Smilax and olive leaf extract temporarily, but they also did work.

We currently are using coconut oil along with l-citrulline to handle the die-off from it, and it's working slowly, but that is likely because it's mostly an antiviral.

We are trying cranberry capsules to see if it can help make the bacteria more vulnerable since it definitely does this with bacteria in the bladder. It's hard to tell since we are on so much. But, it makes the juice tastes a lot better when you have to open the capsules in juice!

Turmeric seems to make our pathogen-killers work better and digestion work better and liver work better. So we take it as an enhancer. Some of us take Ginger Root for nausea and dizziness and hormone balancing, and some do not.

At my house, we are still dependent upon supplements and diet to keep symptoms away, so we are not finished yet. Our new plan is to look into Pau d' arco, Nigella sativa, and carnivora.

Elderberry and barberry have been reported to lead to good results. Actually, rotating pathogen-killers around seems to be getting the best results. This is due to the pathogens being pleomorphic, and somehow adjusting to avoid being killed by the item. This is also why psych meds work at first and then stop. The pathogens hide out at first, and then after a time, come out, realizing that the psych meds won't kill them.

Your results will depend heavily on digestion and the liver. They must be supported well. We take several things for the liver, and we would be getting nowhere if we did not. It the toxins are not processed out of the system by the liver and digestion than the immune system will be too labored to get results. Since taking Mindlinx for a month, we have actually not had to take any probiotic since, and that was a good year ago. But, digestive enzymes are essential. Avoiding environmental toxins is essential. We have to eat organic (except for meat which is not available here) in order to keep making progress. In other words, if your immune system is weighted down with daily exposure to molds, and other toxins, than it's going to take much longer and be much harder than if these were avoided. These are some of the roadblocks as to

why some people are not seeing progress.

We use Modifilan, broccoli sprouts, artichoke, celery seed, turmeric, milk thistle, burbur, l-citrulline, and l-ornithine, for liver support. If one is only using milk thistle, I don't see how that can be enough. A few may get lucky. You will have to do the research on this. I suggest gathering lots of information, and then it will come to you on what plan to take. There is a lot of informational gathering that gets one the knowledge on implementing a plan. There is a planning page on my website www.heidinotes. com to see the areas to cover. This is how I was able to quickly get my children into regular school, by covering those areas.

Many ways can work, it's about having a good plan that covers many things, with the chosen items working together.

I saw results right away with most things we implemented, but getting one all the way to recovery takes some time. My current goal is to get them no longer dependent upon herbs and such and helping as many others into recovery along the way as are willing. I believe all things are possible (Bible quote).

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

Thank you Heidi for your response. I am going to do more research onthis as you have suggested but could you give me a quick list of theherbs that are mostly used to treat pathogens? Are there anyprescription medication that is mostly used, just like for anti-viral weuse Valtrex?Now like you said the test can be tricky so is it really worth to spendso much on the tests, when chances are you won't find anything?Therefore, can we do the Pathogens treatment anyway, without doing the

tests? Also, like I had asked, can we do Pathogens treatment, anti-viraltreatment, and chelation all at the same time?Finally, if pathogen treatment really helps a child, do you know howsoon you normally start seeing results?Thank you so much,TS

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May 25, 2009

I just read your post about chlorella. My naturopath suggested using it while we chelate, but I was hesitant to give him so much stuff at one time. He is about 35lbs, since you've used it for a while, how much would you give a little one? I know that I should trust my nat., but I am so skeptical of doctors right now. Any suggestions would be great! Thanks :)AlissaSent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeedFrom: Milena Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 23:11:38 -0700 (PDT)To: <mb12 valtrex >Subject: Re: Re: What about chlorella Hi Keda, I have used Chlorella for the last 7 years and we are still taking it, my son- now 9 and healed from the Autism and myself. chlorella is packed with aminoacids, very rich " food". chlorella also has the ability to chelate ( to grab and hold) toxins, thus making them heavier and help the body extrete them. You will find 2 types of Chlorella- CHlorella growth factor - with cracked cell easy to digest if the child has sluggish digestion or it is constipated and normal chlorella. it is very important wher do you buy your chlorella from. CHloreall is grown in big pools and it need 2 things- water and sun to grow- it is an algae after all. he prolem with most commercial brands is that the yare grown in open pools- exposed to the air polution - therefore all the toxins in the air are absorbed by this chlorella and when you buy it, it is already pre polluted. The other source of contamination is the water the algae grwos into. Obviously you don't need extra toxins, so stay with the sources from www.biopureus.com- Klinghardt- he is very adamant with his suppliers and he tests everything or wwwpurechlorella.com- both a re grown indoor in reverse osmosis water. Nest is to give chlorella in combination with cilantro. Let me know how old is your kid - or is this for you and I will help you figure out the dosage. WE take it every day for 2 reasons- good nutrition and sometime we might skip the salad, so I am covered with the green, light emititng rich food and to detox daily load of environmental junk. If you use it, I would usggest that you do a hairtest before you start and another one in 3 months, you will see the difference in overall toxic load going awy down. Hope this helps? MilenaFrom: keda dervishi <kddervishi>To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 3:11:13 PMSubject: Re: What about chlorellaAre you parents using chlorella? This is a prefer supplement recommended from Dr. Klinghardt and Dr. Marcola.Any feedback is appreciated. kedaFrom: and Stan <recoveringstan@ telus.net>Subject: Re: Heidi N: Pathogens (Pleomorphic Bacteria) TreatmentTo: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comDate: Sunday, May 24, 2009, 12:49 PMHi Heidi,Thanks so much for posting the herbs and supplements that you used. I have also been using a number of the ones you mentioned, after reading the information at Dr. Klinghardt's web site along with lyme induced autism site, etc. I have been cutting the recommended dosage on the supplement bottle/package by 1/3 because my son is only 38 lbs, but I'm a little confused as to how long I give them for before switching to another set of complimentary herbs and supplements. How long did you give one group for before alternating with another?Thanks for your help Heidi. I definitely have seen great improvements with my son using pairs or groups of complimentary herbs and supplements, and agree that providing immune and detox support is just as important. I am positive I am on the right track. Just need some help in refining the protocol.God bless.TS: We all need to be given honorary degrees in autism recovery for all that we learn. When you decide on using any herb, research on forums to learn what others and science have said is the side effects, die-off, etc. Each herb works in a different manner, and has it's own unique everything. You can use Valtrex, or aclyvor or whatever antiviral. Yes, they do help, because frankly, it would be extremely rare for one to not have a virus causing them symptoms as well. The prescriptions used on pleomorphic pathogens are antibiotics, but go to the places I suggested to learn of which ones. I don't keep up with antibiotics much. Actually, pleomorphic pathogens will show up in testing after the person is well. Treating first and then testing is actually done a lot amongst the doctors who know about this. I have heard many doctors say, they test positive for these after they are well, after their body is strong enough to produce antibodies again. Remember, these pathogens suppress antibody production, this is why the immune system fails. Yes, you can treat for pathogens and chelation at the same time. But, chelation is also very tricky. It can effect herbs, preservatives in foods, etc. and make them harmful. So, you really need to learn this well. I say it's probably best to skip all supplements on chelation days unless it is a known supplement that goes well with chelation. But, it all depends on your chelation method. We have not done the chelation techniques you see on the forums. Since many have posted that they got the most dumps in heavy metals when treating for pathogens, we are instead concentrating on mopping up toxins as we kill the pathogens. Likely glutathione would not have to be too concerning, since it's mostly a mopper-upper. We used broccoli sprouts capsules to increase our glutathione and modifilan to mop up floating toxins and gobs of liver support to handle all those toxins. Antiviral treatments on average take longer to see results than when killing bacteria. The bacteria die-off is much worse as well. Mycoplasma may not be so bad. I imagine also which virus, bacteria or mycoplasma and then also which item used to kill them effects die-off and all. So, you will again have to research each method chosen and learn directly from that. We know antivirals are given for many months to many years. What is not known by many is that antibacterials also need to be given many months to many years. Seeing results may vary depending upon many things. Sometimes you will see a huge reaction right away and sometimes it's gradual. It appears to take a lot of patience and going slow actually meant going faster here. Everytime we try to go fast, it was not as successful. If their organs can not handle the die-off, than their immune system stops helping the pathogen-killing item to work. Ok, here is a quick list of what might work, some we have used, some we have not. One thing I have found is that we absolutely had to use at least two different pathogen-killing herbs to get any headway, and using more than that actually helped a lot more. We have used Samento and Resveratrol with great results, but they will cause bad die-off at first.We have used grapefruit seed extract given the same day as cod liver oil which also got results.We used Smilax and olive leaf extract temporarily, but they also did work.We currently are using coconut oil along with l-citrulline to handle the die-off from it, and it's working slowly, but that is likely because it's mostly an antiviral. We are trying cranberry capsules to see if it can help make the bacteria more vulnerable since it definitely does this with bacteria in the bladder. It's hard to tell since we are on so much. But, it makes the juice tastes a lot better when you have to open the capsules in juice! Turmeric seems to make our pathogen-killers work better and digestion work better and liver work better. So we take it as an enhancer. Some of us take Ginger Root for nausea and dizziness and hormone balancing, and some do not. At my house, we are still dependent upon supplements and diet to keep symptoms away, so we are not finished yet. Our new plan is to look into Pau d' arco, Nigella sativa, and carnivora. Elderberry and barberry have been reported to lead to good results. Actually, rotating pathogen-killers around seems to be getting the best results. This is due to the pathogens being pleomorphic, and somehow adjusting to avoid being killed by the item. This is also why psych meds work at first and then stop. The pathogens hide out at first, and then after a time, come out, realizing that the psych meds won't kill them. Your results will depend heavily on digestion and the liver. They must be supported well. We take several things for the liver, and we would be getting nowhere if we did not. It the toxins are not processed out of the system by the liver and digestion than the immune system will be too labored to get results. Since taking Mindlinx for a month, we have actually not had to take any probiotic since, and that was a good year ago. But, digestive enzymes are essential. Avoiding environmental toxins is essential. We have to eat organic (except for meat which is not available here) in order to keep making progress. In other words, if your immune system is weighted down with daily exposure to molds, and other toxins, than it's going to take much longer and be much harder than if these were avoided. These are some of the roadblocks as to why some people are not seeing progress. We use Modifilan, broccoli sprouts, artichoke, celery seed, turmeric, milk thistle, burbur, l-citrulline, and l-ornithine, for liver support. If one is only using milk thistle, I don't see how that can be enough. A few may get lucky. You will have to do the research on this. I suggest gathering lots of information, and then it will come to you on what plan to take. There is a lot of informational gathering that gets one the knowledge on implementing a plan. There is a planning page on my website www.heidinotes. com to see the areas to cover. This is how I was able to quickly get my children into regular school, by covering those areas. Many ways can work, it's about having a good plan that covers many things, with the chosen items working together. I saw results right away with most things we implemented, but getting one all the way to recovery takes some time. My current goal is to get them no longer dependent upon herbs and such and helping as many others into recovery along the way as are willing. I believe all things are possible (Bible quote). Love and prayers, Heidi N Thank you Heidi for your response. I am going to do more research onthis as you have suggested but could you give me a quick list of theherbs that are mostly used to treat pathogens? Are there anyprescription medication that is mostly used, just like for anti-viral weuse Valtrex?Now like you said the test can be tricky so is it really worth to spendso much on the tests, when chances are you won't find anything?Therefore, can we do the Pathogens treatment anyway, without doing thetests? Also, like I had asked, can we do Pathogens treatment, anti-viraltreatment, and chelation all at the same time?Finally, if pathogen treatment really helps a child, do you know howsoon you normally start seeing results?Thank you so much,TSA strong credit score is 700 or above. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!

May 25, 2009

Hi Milena,

My daughter is very low in amino acids and I'd like to try the chlorella. how much do you take and how much cilantro? She is 115 lbs. Thanks.

Re: Heidi N: Pathogens (Pleomorphic Bacteria) Treatment

To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

Date: Sunday, May 24, 2009, 12:49 PM