Guest guest Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 My son was on Erythromycin for a year while on antivirals and antifungals. Antibiotics aren't bad, just used improperly. Cheryl~ http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com ~~@midian42~ About a year ago, my son was on Acyclovir and Diflucan and he was doing okay, no great improvements. But then he got an ear infection and was given antibiotics for two weeks. And during those two weeks, he was almost a normal little boy. He was happy, compliant, engaged, attempted multiple syllable words, and had great eye contact. All these gains faded after he stopped the antibiotics. Just Acyclovir and Diflucan alone did not have any great effect.Stan's website lists fungus, bacteria, and parasites as antagonists. So doesn't it make sense to treat for viruses, yeast as well as bacteria? So why not give antibiotics too at the same time?So my question is, what is so bad about antibiotics? Can we give it with Valtrex & Diflucan for a more comprehensive approach? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 My daughter makes HUGE gains when getting rocephin injections. I have said many times if it weren't for the painful shots I would love to try a rocephin trial. But in addition to the painful shots is the risk of blowing our her kidneys, as are other antibiotics. Also, some impact the liver. Acyclovir I believe impacts the liver, as does antifungals. These are little kids, you have to be careful that they aren't getting overloaded to their sensitive organs. Sometimes 1+1=20 as to the cumulative effects of various meds. One doc has suggested that Allie's gains on rocephin is because it's a glutamate modulator. Possible, but she's not a hyper kid. He suggested Namenda, but again, I hesitate more meds because of cumulative effects. You give an important argument. Debi > > About a year ago, my son was on Acyclovir and Diflucan and he was doing okay, no great improvements. But then he got an ear infection and was given antibiotics for two weeks. And during those two weeks, he was almost a normal little boy. He was happy, compliant, engaged, attempted multiple syllable words, and had great eye contact. All these gains faded after he stopped the antibiotics. Just Acyclovir and Diflucan alone did not have any great effect. > > Stan's website lists fungus, bacteria, and parasites as antagonists. So doesn't it make sense to treat for viruses, yeast as well as bacteria? So why not give antibiotics too at the same time? > > So my question is, what is so bad about antibiotics? Can we give it with Valtrex & Diflucan for a more comprehensive approach? > > Thanks. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Debi: See my website www.heidinotes.com and learn why antibiotics work. It's because they kill pathogens. Some are the wrong kind, and only kill healthy microflora which makes the situation worse. But rocephin is directly used often for pleomorphic bacteria which I feel is the smoking gun in autism. Love and prayers, Heidi N My daughter makes HUGE gains when getting rocephin injections. I have said many times if it weren't for the painful shots I would love to try a rocephin trial. But in addition to the painful shots is the risk of blowing our her kidneys, as are other antibiotics. Also, some impact the liver. Acyclovir I believe impacts the liver, as does antifungals. These are little kids, you have to be careful that they aren't getting overloaded to their sensitive organs. Sometimes 1+1=20 as to the cumulative effects of various meds. One doc has suggested that Allie's gains on rocephin is because it's a glutamate modulator. Possible, but she's not a hyper kid. He suggested Namenda, but again, I hesitate more meds because of cumulative effects.You give an important argument.Debi Huge savings on HDTVs from Dell.com! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Yes, this is your BIG CLUE! Yell Bingo! See my website, and it explains about pleomorphic bacteria. Omnicef is specific for certain kinds of pathogens, and your child must have one of those as a main cause of his symptoms. Stay on this, you found something that works. There is more, in that there is a trick to using antibiotics correctly, and herbal antibacterials can also work. But, start exploring this - you found your window into his recovery! www.HeidiNotes.com Love and prayers, Heidi N Last month my son (6 yo) had a throat infection. The doctor prescribed Omnicef for 7 days. After the first two doses, my son was a different boy, more happy, using more language, playful, he even asked the first question in his life (where is Dad?). After the 7 days ended, some of the gains are still there but not all. I used other antibiotics for my son before (for other illnesses), but this is the first time I see improvements with antibiotics.Does this mean that I should try a long course of Omnicef?If yes, Should I give Diflucan at the same time to avoid yeast overgrowth? (I don't think my son has yeast overgrowth now)ThanksReem Huge savings on HDTVs from Dell.com! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Last month my son (6 yo) had a throat infection. The doctor prescribed Omnicef for 7 days. After the first two doses, my son was a different boy, more happy, using more language, playful, he even asked the first question in his life (where is Dad?). After the 7 days ended, some of the gains are still there but not all. I used other antibiotics for my son before (for other illnesses), but this is the first time I see improvements with antibiotics. Does this mean that I should try a long course of Omnicef? If yes, Should I give Diflucan at the same time to avoid yeast overgrowth? (I don't think my son has yeast overgrowth now) Thanks Reem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 IMO anti-biotics are very indiscriminate and will kill good bacteria along with any infection leaving the body open to yeast overgrowth especially in very young children. If anti-biotics are to be given I personally would make sure that probiotics be given also. > > > > About a year ago, my son was on Acyclovir and Diflucan and he was doing okay, no great improvements. But then he got an ear infection and was given antibiotics for two weeks. And during those two weeks, he was almost a normal little boy. He was happy, compliant, engaged, attempted multiple syllable words, and had great eye contact. All these gains faded after he stopped the antibiotics. Just Acyclovir and Diflucan alone did not have any great effect. > > > > Stan's website lists fungus, bacteria, and parasites as antagonists. So doesn't it make sense to treat for viruses, yeast as well as bacteria? So why not give antibiotics too at the same time? > > > > So my question is, what is so bad about antibiotics? Can we give it with Valtrex & Diflucan for a more comprehensive approach? > > > > Thanks. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Yes, it can work. There is a strategy to get it to work correctly though. You really have to understand pleomorphic bacteria on top of our children's under-working digestion, livers, etc. Basically, what pleomorphic do is hibernate upon antibiotics or something else, like fever or any kind of herb they perceive is going to kill them. Then, they come out of hibernation when they feel the coast is clear. This is why symptoms return directly after the antibiotic or fever is ended. With a short dose of antibiotics, the symptoms can even be worse. If one were to stay on antibiotics long-term, these pleomorphic pathogens come out while you are on them, about a month into it. At this point die-off starts, and it may not be pretty. There are many things you can do for die-off. Each doctor that knows about this, has their own strategy on what to do. Some alternate antibiotics, some mix them with herbs and liver support and anti-fungals. These pathogens are pleomorphic, so they are difficult to kill, and it may take years to do it. But, you can get symptoms to start decreasing soon after treatment. This is why many things work for a short time and then no longer. The pathogen no longer fears it or learns to get around it. This is why psych meds seem to work at first, but then don't after a few days or months. This really explains everything. This is why I hooked up with this theory and it has taken my family to recovery. You still have viruses, toxins, and metals to deal with. And wheat and dairy feed these pathogens. This is why one should not eat them; it's not the allergy issue. I hated to have to learn all this after feeling I finally learned DAN, but it really is what I believe to be the smoking gun in autism. It gets much more complicated and people are just as guilty as when you look at vaccines and mercury, but that's another story. Realize there is no easy way. There are doctors who know this that you can fly to if they don't live near you, or you can work with any type of practitioner. I saw a herbalist the other day who knew about this. So, it's getting around. To learn about treatment ideas, go to www.liafoundation.org Love and prayers, Heidi N Heidi,Does Erythromycin work on pleomorphic bacteria? That was the antibiotic my son was on when he showed dramatic improvement for two weeks. We saw to his doctor yesterday, who is recommending Amoxicillin. Should I request Omnicef? or try Erythromycin again since that worked for us before?I read your website and I should bring a printout of your explanation to my doctor. He already wrote the prescription... I can call him to request a change, but what should I ask for?Thanks! Huge savings on HDTVs from Dell.com! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 My son is on a low, maintenance dose of antibiotics for PANDAS. Pamela From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of lvtoeat2 Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:28 PM To: mb12 valtrex Subject: What's so bad about antibiotics? About a year ago, my son was on Acyclovir and Diflucan and he was doing okay, no great improvements. But then he got an ear infection and was given antibiotics for two weeks. And during those two weeks, he was almost a normal little boy. He was happy, compliant, engaged, attempted multiple syllable words, and had great eye contact. All these gains faded after he stopped the antibiotics. Just Acyclovir and Diflucan alone did not have any great effect. Stan's website lists fungus, bacteria, and parasites as antagonists. So doesn't it make sense to treat for viruses, yeast as well as bacteria? So why not give antibiotics too at the same time? So my question is, what is so bad about antibiotics? Can we give it with Valtrex & Diflucan for a more comprehensive approach? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 You might have a PANDAS kiddo. . . . . . From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of lvtoeat2 Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:28 PM To: mb12 valtrex Subject: What's so bad about antibiotics? About a year ago, my son was on Acyclovir and Diflucan and he was doing okay, no great improvements. But then he got an ear infection and was given antibiotics for two weeks. And during those two weeks, he was almost a normal little boy. He was happy, compliant, engaged, attempted multiple syllable words, and had great eye contact. All these gains faded after he stopped the antibiotics. Just Acyclovir and Diflucan alone did not have any great effect. Stan's website lists fungus, bacteria, and parasites as antagonists. So doesn't it make sense to treat for viruses, yeast as well as bacteria? So why not give antibiotics too at the same time? So my question is, what is so bad about antibiotics? Can we give it with Valtrex & Diflucan for a more comprehensive approach? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 I avoided prescriptions, so I can not say about those anti-fungals. Die-off is always present, that is where the symptoms come from. But, when you kill the pathogens, they die-off is higher. Basically ammonia goes up. Our die-off was either a worsening of their current symptoms or additional behavioral or flu symptoms came. Every thing we did, caused a different die-off and maybe even no die-off. So, when you choose a new supplement, just ask all about it so you will know what to expect. I can't help but wonder if parents are giving up on some things because they feel the treatment is making them worse, when in reality, often you have to go through the die-off to get to the decreased symptoms. I think antibiotics, Valtrex and Diflucan/Nizoral is good, but I would be concerned about digestion and liver support. I would be on at least 3 things for liver support and probtiotics to repopulate the necessary bacteria that the antibiotic will rid. Also, get the liver enzymes checked. A good doctor that knows how to use antibiotics in children, is Dr. Ray . He is probably quite willing to receive a phone call from your doctor on some ideas. You can google and find his number. A standard antibiotic protocol for pleomorphic bacteria can be found at www.liafoundation.org under treatments. You will probably be able to take l-citrulline with those meds. Ask your doctor. It is the best ammonia-reducing product I have tried. Love and prayers, Heidi N Thank you for your insights Heidi. What happens at bacterial die-off? What signs or symptoms can I look for? Will my son have a fever? Should I change antibiotics at die-off or shortly after? My son's doctor is just his pediatrician. He agreed to try a course of therapy with Valtrex, Diflucan and antibiotics after I mentioned how normal my son was last year. He actually said if this works on my son, he would recommend this for all his autistic kiddos. So, he still has a lot to learn and I'm not sure he'll know what to do when die-off happens.Would you recommend we rotate our anti-fungal as well? From Diflucan to Nizoral after a certain period?Thanks! Kick start your favorite grad’s career with mobile email for under $50. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Thank you for your insights Heidi. What happens at bacterial die-off? What signs or symptoms can I look for? Will my son have a fever? Should I change antibiotics at die-off or shortly after? My son's doctor is just his pediatrician. He agreed to try a course of therapy with Valtrex, Diflucan and antibiotics after I mentioned how normal my son was last year. He actually said if this works on my son, he would recommend this for all his autistic kiddos. So, he still has a lot to learn and I'm not sure he'll know what to do when die-off happens. Would you recommend we rotate our anti-fungal as well? From Diflucan to Nizoral after a certain period? Thanks! > > Yes, it can work. There is a strategy to get it to work correctly though. > You really have to understand pleomorphic bacteria on top of our > children's under-working digestion, livers, etc. Basically, what pleomorphic do is > hibernate upon antibiotics or something else, like fever or any kind of > herb they perceive is going to kill them. Then, they come out of hibernation > when they feel the coast is clear. This is why symptoms return directly > after the antibiotic or fever is ended. > > With a short dose of antibiotics, the symptoms can even be worse. If one > were to stay on antibiotics long-term, these pleomorphic pathogens come out > while you are on them, about a month into it. At this point die-off > starts, and it may not be pretty. There are many things you can do for die-off. > Each doctor that knows about this, has their own strategy on what to do. > Some alternate antibiotics, some mix them with herbs and liver support and > anti-fungals. These pathogens are pleomorphic, so they are difficult to > kill, and it may take years to do it. But, you can get symptoms to start > decreasing soon after treatment. This is why many things work for a short > time and then no longer. The pathogen no longer fears it or learns to get > around it. This is why psych meds seem to work at first, but then don't > after a few days or months. This really explains everything. This is why I > hooked up with this theory and it has taken my family to recovery. > > You still have viruses, toxins, and metals to deal with. And wheat and > dairy feed these pathogens. This is why one should not eat them; it's not > the allergy issue. I hated to have to learn all this after feeling I finally > learned DAN, but it really is what I believe to be the smoking gun in > autism. It gets much more complicated and people are just as guilty as when > you look at vaccines and mercury, but that's another story. Realize there is > no easy way. There are doctors who know this that you can fly to if they > don't live near you, or you can work with any type of practitioner. I saw > a herbalist the other day who knew about this. So, it's getting around. > To learn about treatment ideas, go to _www.liafoundation.org_ > (http://www.liafoundation.org) > > Love and prayers, > > Heidi N > > > > > Heidi, > > Does Erythromycin work on pleomorphic bacteria? That was the antibiotic my > son was on when he showed dramatic improvement for two weeks. We saw to > his doctor yesterday, who is recommending Amoxicillin. Should I request > Omnicef? or try Erythromycin again since that worked for us before? > > I read your website and I should bring a printout of your explanation to > my doctor. He already wrote the prescription.I read your website and I > should bring a printout of your explanati > > Thanks! > > > **************Huge savings on HDTVs from Dell.com! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221836042x1201399880/aol?redir=http:%2\ F%2Fad.doubleclick.ne > t%2Fclk%3B215073686%3B37034322%3Bb) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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