Guest guest Posted November 9, 2001 Report Share Posted November 9, 2001 Afib is a chaotic state with no pattern of beats, in fact its totally random the way the heart beats. A/flutter is really just a fast beat with a pattern. Aflutter is treatable and curable. It usually comes form the one side of the atria, I believe its the Left but do not quote me. I have had this and is usually associated with A/fib , there is some school of thought that A/flutter comes first and digress into Afib. Regards C > Re: More questions > > > During one episode of what I thought was atrial fibrillation - they > > diagnosed atrial flutter. Could someone explain the difference to > me - or > > point me in a direction to find more information. > > > > As far as the missed beats - I read my holter monitor report and > see that I > > had premature atrial contractions during the 24 hours. My dr > simply told me > > that the monitor report was " fine " . I am thinking that if he had > told me I > > was having these premature beats all along, the pronounced ones > yesterday > > would not have caught me by surprise. > > Hi, Deni, > ********************************************************************** This message may contain information which is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message and any attachments without retaining a copy. ********************************************************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2001 Report Share Posted November 9, 2001 >Afib is a chaotic state with no pattern of beats, in fact its totally random >the way the heart beats. >A/flutter is really just a fast beat with a pattern. Aflutter is treatable >and curable. It usually comes form the one side of the atria, I believe its >the Left but do not quote me. > > I think it's a little more complicated than this . AFlutter is often quoted with a ratio. 2:1 Flutter means for every two beats the atria does the ventricles only beat once (the AV node blocks the other pulse) 3:1 means the top bit is beating 3 times faster than the bottom. I believe it is rare (but not unheard of) to have 1:1 Flutter - this is pretty serious cos the ventricles will be going like the clappers! I've had 2:1 flutter (I think medication induced) and it felt VERY uncomfortable. I think the discomfort came from the fact the everything was sort of working so every other pulse in the atria produces a strong palpitation (I was doing 280:140 so you can imagine that 140 palpitations a minute feels a bit like a road digger in your chest) -- D (32, Leeds, UK) AFibbers Database http://www.dialsolutions.com/af AFib Support Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFIBsupport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2001 Report Share Posted November 9, 2001 Thanks for the clarification, The point I was trying to make is Aflutter is not random like AF. I also believe you do not need Wafarin if you just suffer with A/flutter. Also more importanly its a curable condition. Thanks again. C > Re: Re: More questions > > > > > > > > I ********************************************************************** This message may contain information which is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message and any attachments without retaining a copy. ********************************************************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2001 Report Share Posted November 9, 2001 Hi, Just out of curiousity... Why is A/flutter curable...and A/fib not? Take care, Willem At 11:12 9-11-2001 +0000, you wrote: > >Thanks for the clarification, >The point I was trying to make is Aflutter is not random like AF. I also >believe you do not need Wafarin if you just suffer with A/flutter. Also more >importanly its a curable condition. > >Thanks again. > > C _________________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2001 Report Share Posted November 9, 2001 >Hi, > >Just out of curiousity... >Why is A/flutter curable...and A/fib not? > We probably need an EP to answer this one! I wouldn't be surprised if it is luck rather than judgement. I think it's also fare to say that not all flutter is curable but it has a much higher success rate than Afib. If I was a guessing man (which I am!) I'd say it was related to the fact that flutter is a more organised arrhythmia - pretty much everything is going fine but the top bit is going a bit too fast for the bottom bit. If you can stop the top bit going too fast then you're cured! AFib is more of a problem in that it's often self sustaining (even when the trigger has stopped you can remain in AFib as the waves chase each other). I've just imagined a knob that you can twist on you heart - Solid NSR is one extreme and AFib the other (well I suppose VFib is the other extreme if you want to be grim) - I have a feeling somewhere in the middle is flutter. I suppose what I'm trying to say is that there is less of an imbalance with flutter. Hardly technical or scientific just my thoughts! -- D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2001 Report Share Posted November 10, 2001 I have had an ablation both for Flutter and AF. Aflutter emanates from one place and is a lot easier to find. The ablation pattern that was used was a lot like the design of the Snake belt. I have met my EP many times who has mentioned to me that he is just off to cure a patient with Flutter. AF is very different as it was explained me it like a light bulb flashing on a Foot ball pitch. When the Catheter goes toward the point of the flash , it appears somewhere else. Quoting Prof H. we have to wait for the equipment for EP studies to become better. There is a treatment that may become useful in the next year or so, The linear ablation. This is where we can cut off whole areas of the heart with a single ablation thus controlling the itinerant electrical signals. Lets hope 2001 will be a good year for us. Ps I am off of the warfarin as of last week, after 6 years. I am now on just 75mg of Aspirin per day. I cannot believe it I am getting withdraw symptoms from the Warfarin. I will go into details when I feel a little bit better. The good news is I am still in NSR. Regards C > Just out of curiousity... > Why is A/flutter curable...and A/fib not? Willem, ablation seems to cure aflutter, but it is markedly less successful for afib. Why I dunno enough about the mechanics to know. My guess is the cause of aflutter is simpler and more localized. Web Page http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFIBsupport For more information: http://www.dialsolutions.com/af Post message: AFIBsupport Subscribe: AFIBsupport-subscribe Unsubscribe: AFIBsupport-unsubscribe List owner: AFIBsupport-owner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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