Guest guest Posted February 20, 2001 Report Share Posted February 20, 2001 In a message dated 2/20/01 4:05:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, lindaj@... writes: << My naturopath put me on a supplement called Sacro-B, put out by Thorne Research, which is Saccharomyces boulardii, while I was being treated for candida and parasites. I had Irritable Bowel Syndrome, along with the rest >> I have heard of sacc. boulardii helping many with yeast and bacteria overgrowth in the gut. The only problem is that I have heard and I forget where I heard this but I have heard that the sacc. boulardii can take up residance in the gut and sometimes do more harm then good in people with bad immune systems. They start to live in the gut or intestines and create a bad problem similiar to candida. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2001 Report Share Posted February 20, 2001 My naturopath put me on a supplement called Sacro-B, put out by Thorne Research, which is Saccharomyces boulardii, while I was being treated for candida and parasites. I had Irritable Bowel Syndrome, along with the rest of my CFS/FM symptoms. I had such a bad candida problem that I had thrush visible in my mouth, growing on my skin, along with vaginal yeast infection, gas and bloating, and diarrhea. I thought it was the cause of my CFS symptoms, because it was so bad. I took the Sacro-B for about 3 months, without any change in symptoms. I'm so allergic to so many things, and had allergic reactions to the parasite program that she tried to put me on, and I've wondered if I might also have been allergic to the Sacro-B, as I am sensitive to other yeasts, which would help explain why it didn't seem to benefit me. I've since been able to clear the candida problem with lots of Olive Leaf Extract from East Park Research, and a good dose of antibiotics from my doctor cleared up the IBS. Unfortunately, I still have CFS/FM, so although I healed from that, I'm still sick. lindaj@... IgA deficiency > Dear , > > You wrote, " I have an IgA deficiency. " > > Can you tell us anything more about how you were tested for that? > > I thought you might be interested in my interpretation (below) of four > abstracts I found on Medline that are related to IgA deficiency and the > " good " yeast, Saccharomyces boulardii. > > There must be a down side to taking S. boulardii supplements. I'd > appreciate hearing about people's experiences with it. > > --------------------- > > In this recently published Brazilian study, researchers gave Saccharomyces > boulardii to one group of mice and didn't give it to the other. > > Compared to the control group, the mice that got the S. boulardii had: > > 1. An increase in total sigA production. > > 2. An increase in anti-Saccharomyces boulardii sigA production > > 3. Significantly higher numbers of Kupffer cells > > 4. Higher clearance of Escherichia coli B41 > > 5. Higher TNF-alpha > > 6. Higher IFN-gamma > > 7. Higher IL-12 > > The researchers' conclusion: " These results show that the yeast > Saccharomyces. boulardii modulates the host immune responses. This effect > may be of interest for improving the resistance to enteropathogenic > bacterial infections. " > > PMID: 11021572, UI: 20471580 > > ------------------------ > > In this 1996 German study 12 healthy human volunteers took oral > Saccharomyces boulardii. Some results: > 1. CD4+ cells of the peripheral blood had a significantly > increased expression of CD25 (p < 0.02). > 2. Volunteers had an increase in brush border enzyme activity of: > a. lactase > b. alpha-glucosidase > c. alkaline phosphatase was observed (p < 0.01). > > The researchers concluded, " Our findings indicate that Saccharomyces > boulardii (S.b.) has a positive effect on the maturation of enterocytes and > only a minor influence on lymphocytes. " > > > PMID: 8786007, UI: 96262401 > ------------------------ > This study begins with, " Saccharomyces boulardii (S.b.) is largely used in > Western European countries for the treatment of acute infectious enteritis > and antibiotic-induced gastrointestinal disorders. " > > After administering S. boulardii to rats from day 14 to day 22 postpartum, > the researchers concluded: > > " In the duodenal fluid of rats treated with Saccharomyces boulardii cells, > the mean concentration of s-IgA was increased by 56.9% (P less than 0.01) > over the concentration of s-IgA measured in saline controls. " > > PMID: 2302983, UI: 90151419 > ---------------------------- > In this 1993 single-center double blind placebo-controlled pilot study, 20 > patients with established Chrohn's disease who were suffering from diarrhea > were treated with the yeast preparation Saccharomyces boulardii, 250 mg > three times a day. The study lasted ten weeks, and there were a couple of > crossovers with the control group. > > The S. boulardii group showed a significant reduction in the frequency of > bowel movements. > > No adverse drug events were observed. > > PMID: 8465554, UI: 93220318 > --------------------------- > In this recent French study, researchers reviewed studies of animals with > colitis that was linked to Clostridium difficile. The animals treated with > Saccharomyces boulardii had a significant decrease in both the Clostridium > difficile colony-forming units, and the toxin B production. > > They also point out that in randomised human trials S. boulardii has > significantly decreased C. difficile colitis and has prevented the > pathogenic effects of toxins A and B of C. difficile. > > The researchers conclude, " ...The increasing use of biotherapeutic agents > such as Saccharomyces boulardii should permit the prevention of the major > side effect of antibiotics, i.e. antibiotic-associated diarrhea, in at-risk > patients. " > > PMID: 11118872, e: 20569815 > --------------------------------- > > Sue B. > upstate New York > > > > > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2001 Report Share Posted February 20, 2001 I wouldn't doubt that this might have been why it didn't work well for me. I had systemic candida, which is a pretty good indicator that my immune system was compromised. But I don't think the candida was what compromised my system. I think the viral infection that started all of this mess was what did it, and the candida was just waiting for an opportunity. But it then added to the problem, doubling my immune problems. The Sacro-B was just one more bug for my system to have to fight. lindaj@... Re: IgA deficiency > In a message dated 2/20/01 4:05:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, > lindaj@... writes: > > << My naturopath put me on a supplement called Sacro-B, put out by Thorne > Research, which is Saccharomyces boulardii, while I was being treated for > candida and parasites. I had Irritable Bowel Syndrome, along with the rest >> > > > I have heard of sacc. boulardii helping many with yeast and bacteria > overgrowth in the gut. The only problem is that I have heard and I forget > where I heard this but I have heard that the sacc. boulardii can take up > residance in the gut and sometimes do more harm then good in people with bad > immune systems. They start to live in the gut or intestines and create a bad > problem similiar to candida. > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2001 Report Share Posted February 20, 2001 I took SB for 8 days before my gut blew up like I was 8 months pregnant with horrible abdominal cramping and gas. Worse than my Candida problems. I am highly sensitized to all kinds of yeasts/molds, and suspect that I too am one of the few who are allergic to SB. Don't think 8 days was enough to kill any Candida either, but am too afraid to try again. Will have to find a new agent to kill my Candida - I'm also allergic to Candida, so it's a double whammy for me. Donna in NC Re: IgA deficiency > My naturopath put me on a supplement called Sacro-B, put out by Thorne > Research, which is Saccharomyces boulardii, while I was being treated for > candida and parasites. I had Irritable Bowel Syndrome, along with the rest > of my CFS/FM symptoms. I had such a bad candida problem that I had thrush > visible in my mouth, growing on my skin, along with vaginal yeast infection, > gas and bloating, and diarrhea. I thought it was the cause of my CFS > symptoms, because it was so bad. I took the Sacro-B for about 3 months, > without any change in symptoms. I'm so allergic to so many things, and had > allergic reactions to the parasite program that she tried to put me on, and > I've wondered if I might also have been allergic to the Sacro-B, as I am > sensitive to other yeasts, which would help explain why it didn't seem to > benefit me. > > I've since been able to clear the candida problem with lots of Olive Leaf > Extract from East Park Research, and a good dose of antibiotics from my > doctor cleared up the IBS. Unfortunately, I still have CFS/FM, so although I > healed from that, I'm still sick. > > > lindaj@... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2003 Report Share Posted February 6, 2003 Sue, >n wrote, " You would not treat a deficiency in IgA with IgG. This is > >because IgA deficient patients, having never made IgA, have not been >... >Sue replied: So this means that anyone with IgA deficiency should be >tested to see if >they make antibodies to IgA, in case they ever need an emergency >transfusion. If they do make antibodies, then they could be given blood >from which the IgA has been removed. I was quoting a scientist there, it were not my words! But from what I read, what you say is definitely true and I am re-considering my own IgG injections. I assume though that this only applies if you have a profound lack of IgA, i.e. none, otherwise I guess you are still auto-tolerised OK. BTW thanks for the excellent post on PCR accuracy. n n Canberra, Australia Satellite maps of fire situation Canberra and Snowy Montains http://members.austarmetro.com.au/~julian/cbfires/fires.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2003 Report Share Posted February 7, 2003 On the plane to the East coast and back, I was able to read Dr. Poesnecker's two most recent books. In his latest book, " Mastering Your Life, " he says that secretory IgA is low in the saliva in stages one, two and three of adrenal exhaustion, because of the elevated cortisol levels, which suppress the immune system. As I understand it, this is different from the case of a person who is born without the ability to make IgA, which I believe is the one who has to be careful about taking IgG. For PWCs with low IgA in stages one, two and three of adrenal exhaustion, Dr. Poesnecker uses Thymuril, which is produced by PhytoPharmica, and EMP, which is a proprietary herbal formula that he developed 50 years ago and continues to sell for $15 per bottle. These are both intended to stimulate the immune system. Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2003 Report Share Posted February 8, 2003 I am using EMP and Thymuril.They both help. I am especially happy with EMP. Nil Re: IgA Deficiency | On the plane to the East coast and back, I was able to read Dr. | Poesnecker's two most recent books. In his latest book, " Mastering | Your Life, " he says that secretory IgA is low in the saliva in | stages one, two and three of adrenal exhaustion, because of the | elevated cortisol levels, which suppress the immune system. As I | understand it, this is different from the case of a person who is | born without the ability to make IgA, which I believe is the one who | has to be careful about taking IgG. | | For PWCs with low IgA in stages one, two and three of adrenal | exhaustion, Dr. Poesnecker uses Thymuril, which is produced by | PhytoPharmica, and EMP, which is a proprietary herbal formula that | he developed 50 years ago and continues to sell for $15 per bottle. | These are both intended to stimulate the immune system. | | Rich | | | This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. | | Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2007 Report Share Posted September 20, 2007 Its an autoimmune problem, could be associated with Lupus or other autoimmune problems, not a real big problem though try this web site www.primaryimmune.org/pubs/book_pats/e_ch04.pdf -- Blessings Jack, Cheryl and Kile Killman ---- Jill Boyer <sjillboyer@...> wrote: ============= Hi All, I have a friend with autism and she has just discovered that her IgA is low. I don't know if she meant her IgA antibodies or her blood. She has not been feeling well for sometime and she is also in the process of finding out if she has Behcets, Lupus and or/ Sjogrens. I don't know how hold she is but she looks to be somewhere in her 40's. Do any of you know what this means? She is very worried. Thanks, Jill --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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