~ pull up a seat - Re: Protein train...off track?

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> How long after you ate this did this happen? I am still not

convinced that this small piece did this to you. How many grams of

sugar were in that small piece?<

~ Oh yeah, it was definitely a dump. The toffee was by no means a

bunch, but it also was not a crumb. Maybe the size of a restaurant

cruton. I've never been one to dump a lot, but when it happens, it

happens BIG. I don't classify a upset stomach and diarreah as a

dump... I chalk it up to my plumbing being irritated. I don't

consider a dump a dump unless I get the sweats, nausea, confusion,

shakes, pain, and " big sleep. " My toffee and pasta experiences were

definite dumps, from what I can remember from my early days.

> You've had children after WLS you body may work differently now

than other post-ops because of all the hormonal changes. So much is

still being studied and learned about WLS.<

~ I'm pretty sure my post WLS/baby system changed quite a bit,

probably due to hormones. I lived on soy products pre-preg, but

during my preg, I would have terrible reactions to many products

with soy... drinks, chicken nuggets, breads, etc. Docs and I tested

out my sensitivities since I was admitted twice with gawdawful pains

that we thought were problems with the preg. We eliminated and

added things until we narrowed my sensitivity down. My tolerance

for soy proteins seems to be getting higher now.

> I do highly believe we need to get back on track when we get off,

but my feelings are to do it reasonably and logically. Solid

liquids for 3 days or so feels very much like old thoughts and

behaviors to me - trying to undo our slips as if they didn't happen.<

~ I didn't enter the liquid protein fast as a way of " undoing " my

slips. I understood that " de-carb-toxing " was the surest way to get

rid of the cravings. I'm a carb-o-holic from way back and really

wanted to get that " MUST HAVE NOW " feeling out of my system. I

purposely limited my liquids to 3 days since i felt I could do it.

Pre-WLS I would enter into a fad/crash diet looking at doing it long

term and THAT would set me up for failure. Having a short-term set

date, not to jump start weightloss, but to detox, was reasonable for

me because I felt ready. The bonus was that I actually did lose a

few of the pounds I want to get rid of to reach my " happy place. "

>do we need protein trains and dumping to know WLS still works?<

~Nope, not " we " as I can't speak for anyone else, but for me seeing

is believing. I really didn't enter the " train " wanting to dump or

to confim my WLS was still working for me. It was detox, pure and

simple. As a result of the train, I ended up pleased to find out

that after more than 2 years my surgery is still very much affective

and that makes me feel better. I've never completely gotten over the

fear that regardless of how my weight and health are now, my system

would suddenly return to its pre-wls ways and i could gain back all

my weight. For me, myself, and I, knowing my WLS is still working in

my favor is a huge mental relief.

>How about getting back to our " new-normal " eating? Not restricing

calories for 3 days<

~Problem for me is that I never felt like I knew what " normal "

eating was. I've had ulcers and GERD since I was a small child so

eating was not only distasteful, but painful. I hated food as a

child and was so skinny that my knees stuck out further than my

thighs. Consequently I was made fun of for being so scrawny. As I

got older food started mattering more to me and I felt that if I

wanted to stay popular in high school and keep up with my dancing

and get positive attention from other kids, I needed to " control " my

diet and excercise myself nearly to death. After college I was so

sick of watching what I did with my body I just ignored it all and

dove head long into terrible eating habits, ending up MO in the long

run. Surgery comes, and I have a strict guideline for eating to

ensure I heal properly, lose weight, and try and retrain my brain...

still not normal. So beyond the logics behind the food pyramid, I'm

not sure what " normal " eating is.

>it's a very personal choice and I know it's one I won't make for

many reasons. I have done things like this too many times in the

past and it just doesn't work for me.<

~Not exactly sure if it works long-term for me either, since I don't

intend to ever pull a long-term " fad " thingie. This is my first

protein train, but chances are, it won't be my last. I felt good

doing it, physically and psychologically.

>Talking to my doctor and her staff reinforced so many of my

feelings. Their biggest concern is the same as mine, that we are

only making ourselves feel better psychologically.<

~doing what I can to make myself feel better psychologically makes

more sense to me than not doing anything and continuing to feel

icky. If painting helps my emotional state, I'll paint. If

exercizing helps, hand me the dumbell. If gossiping is the answer,

send me to a family reunion. If a protein train gets me out of the

dumps (tee hee), hand me a boarding pass and a shake. You're so

right, it is very much individual and we all have to do whatever we

can to make ourselves feel better emotionally and physically.

This is what I love about issues like protein trains. I can hear

what everyone else has to say. I've found things that work wonders

for others that don't to beans for me, but some things I learn about

turn out to be very beneficial and I wish I had learned about them

long ago.

Hope your week is going well so far... my fingers are tired now, lol.

Huggz,

Toi