Re: question for those on hydrocortisone...

[Guest guest]

Absolutely. My daughter could not tolerate ANY thyroid meds without shortness of breath and even blurred vision when she tried to exercise. Her heart rate was up as well. She takes cortef now and can tolerate armour.

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[Guest guest]

I hope somebody can answer your question because my sister is in this

same boat. She became almost suicidal on 60 mg of Armour and didn't

sleep for 5 days straight. Synthroid did this as well though not as

quickly as Armour did or as severe but she still refuses to touch any

thyroid medication at all now. I keep telling her it's most likely

her adrenals but because her doctor told her she was fine in that area

(she had a cortisol level of 5 at 2 in the afternoon which I think is

way too low even though it was " in range " ). She's scared to try

anything now though.

Jul

> I've read that some of Dr. Rs patients have adrenal impairment that

> keeps them from tolerating Armour(or any thyroid med). I am in that

> boat. But there are two things I was wondering if those that

> experienced this can explain:

>

> 1. I don't tolerate ANY thyroid meds, as I right away get unbearably

> hot, shaky, insomnia worse, and fast heart rate. Is this what low

> adrenals do? Some days I get this even though I'm not trying any

> thyroid meds, so I was wondering if this, it itself, could explain low

> adrenals.

>

> 2. I would love to go to Dr. R, but I am a 11-12 hour drive away, and

> waaaaay to much anxiety to fly. There is a local MD that was willing

> to give me hydrocortisone and Armour, but I was too scared to start on

> the cortef. Did anyone with anxiety and all the above symptoms find

> relief when they started cortisol-in other words, did your body settle

> down?

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

yes, a low dose of hydrocortisone has helped me tolerate Armour (even though I'm still increasing VERY slowly)... when I first went to Dr. R back in Dec. of 2005 I had extreme anxiety, panic attacks, and could not tolerate 1/2 grain of armour... the HC has helped, along with a little bit more Armour and now B12... it's a slow process and I still have some bad days, but nowhere near where I used to be... Good luck!Jul wrote: I hope somebody can answer your question because my sister is in thissame boat. She became almost suicidal on 60 mg of Armour and didn'tsleep for 5 days straight. Synthroid did this as well though not asquickly as Armour did or as severe but she still refuses to touch anythyroid

medication at all now. I keep telling her it's most likelyher adrenals but because her doctor told her she was fine in that area(she had a cortisol level of 5 at 2 in the afternoon which I think isway too low even though it was "in range"). She's scared to tryanything now though.Jul> I've read that some of Dr. Rs patients have adrenal impairment that> keeps them from tolerating Armour(or any thyroid med). I am in that> boat. But there are two things I was wondering if those that> experienced this can explain:>> 1. I don't tolerate ANY thyroid meds, as I right away get unbearably> hot, shaky, insomnia worse, and fast heart rate. Is this what low> adrenals do? Some days I get this even though I'm not trying any> thyroid meds, so I was wondering if this, it itself, could explain low>

adrenals.>> 2. I would love to go to Dr. R, but I am a 11-12 hour drive away, and> waaaaay to much anxiety to fly. There is a local MD that was willing> to give me hydrocortisone and Armour, but I was too scared to start on> the cortef. Did anyone with anxiety and all the above symptoms find> relief when they started cortisol-in other words, did your body settle> down?>>>>>

[Guest guest]

That could very well be adrenal. It could also be ferritin related. And sex hormones may play a role in thyroid hormone intolerance. Your sister needs to see a doc who knows what they are doing. Manzanero in Austin is hypoadrenal himself. Jul wrote: I hope somebody can answer your question because my sister is in thissame boat.

She became almost suicidal on 60 mg of Armour and didn'tsleep for 5 days straight. Synthroid did this as well though not asquickly as Armour did or as severe but she still refuses to touch anythyroid medication at all now. I keep telling her it's most likelyher adrenals but because her doctor told her she was fine in that area(she had a cortisol level of 5 at 2 in the afternoon which I think isway too low even though it was "in range"). She's scared to tryanything now though.Jul> I've read that some of Dr. Rs patients have adrenal impairment that> keeps them from tolerating Armour(or any thyroid med). I am in that> boat. But there are two things I was wondering if those that> experienced this can explain:>> 1. I don't tolerate ANY thyroid meds, as I right away get unbearably> hot, shaky, insomnia worse, and fast

heart rate. Is this what low> adrenals do? Some days I get this even though I'm not trying any> thyroid meds, so I was wondering if this, it itself, could explain low> adrenals.>> 2. I would love to go to Dr. R, but I am a 11-12 hour drive away, and> waaaaay to much anxiety to fly. There is a local MD that was willing> to give me hydrocortisone and Armour, but I was too scared to start on> the cortef. Did anyone with anxiety and all the above symptoms find> relief when they started cortisol-in other words, did your body settle> down? __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

So, Jan, is Manzanero well-versed in treating adrenal/thyroid issues

then? Because I can make a 6 hour day trip to Austin. I was

wondering if anyone with adrenal impairment is HEAT intolerant!!??!!

> > I've read that some of Dr. Rs patients have adrenal impairment

that

> > keeps them from tolerating Armour(or any thyroid med). I am in

that

> > boat. But there are two things I was wondering if those that

> > experienced this can explain:

> >

> > 1. I don't tolerate ANY thyroid meds, as I right away get

unbearably

> > hot, shaky, insomnia worse, and fast heart rate. Is this what low

> > adrenals do? Some days I get this even though I'm not trying any

> > thyroid meds, so I was wondering if this, it itself, could

explain low

> > adrenals.

> >

> > 2. I would love to go to Dr. R, but I am a 11-12 hour drive away,

and

> > waaaaay to much anxiety to fly. There is a local MD that was

willing

> > to give me hydrocortisone and Armour, but I was too scared to

start on

> > the cortef. Did anyone with anxiety and all the above symptoms

find

> > relief when they started cortisol-in other words, did your body

settle

> > down?

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

I'm completely heat intolerant... can't stand the Texas summers... they make me ill.... I think a lot of us are that way.earth_friendly_farms wrote: So, Jan, is Manzanero well-versed in treating adrenal/thyroid issues then? Because I can make a 6 hour day trip to Austin. I was wondering if anyone with adrenal impairment is HEAT intolerant!!??!!> > I've read that some of Dr. Rs patients have adrenal impairment that> > keeps them from tolerating Armour(or any thyroid med). I am in that> > boat. But there are two

things I was wondering if those that> > experienced this can explain:> >> > 1. I don't tolerate ANY thyroid meds, as I right away get unbearably> > hot, shaky, insomnia worse, and fast heart rate. Is this what low> > adrenals do? Some days I get this even though I'm not trying any> > thyroid meds, so I was wondering if this, it itself, could explain low> > adrenals.> >> > 2. I would love to go to Dr. R, but I am a 11-12 hour drive away, and> > waaaaay to much anxiety to fly. There is a local MD that was willing> > to give me hydrocortisone and Armour, but I was too scared to start on> > the cortef. Did anyone with anxiety and all the above symptoms find> > relief when they started cortisol-in other words, did your body settle> > down?> __________________________________________________> Do You

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[Guest guest]

I think intolerance to both heat and cold are adrenal symptoms.

Manzanero is very experienced with Adrenal issues, I promise you. Most of his patients are either adrenal, thyroid or diabetics, another of his specialities. Terijo

[Guest guest]

Manzanero is pretty good for thyroid, better for adrenals, from what I hear. I don't know about adrenal involvement, but being hypothyroid can cause me to be comfortable only within a very narrow temperature range. That includes heat intolerance, as well as cold intolerance. earth_friendly_farms wrote: So, Jan, is Manzanero well-versed in treating adrenal/thyroid issues then? Because I can make a 6 hour day trip to Austin. I was wondering if anyone with adrenal impairment is HEAT

intolerant!!??!!>> That could very well be adrenal. It could also be ferritin related. And sex hormones may play a role in thyroid hormone intolerance. > > Your sister needs to see a doc who knows what they are doing.> > Manzanero in Austin is hypoadrenal himself. __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

So, when your levels get optimized, do ya'll tolerate the weather

easier than before ya'll started treatment? I know my thyroid has

been off for alot of years, but just about 2 years ago, it's drastic

how I can not get out in summer anymore. My weight is the same, so

it's not that I added MORE insulation to my body!

> >

> > That could very well be adrenal. It could also be ferritin

related.

> And sex hormones may play a role in thyroid hormone intolerance.

> >

> > Your sister needs to see a doc who knows what they are doing.

> >

> > Manzanero in Austin is hypoadrenal himself.

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Yeah, no kidding. Working on that.

Your sister needs to see a doc who knows what they are doing.

[Guest guest]

Wow! Thank you everyone for getting back to me so fast! Your feedback

just sealed the deal that I'm probably going to head to Austin and have

the adrenals checked on. I hope in the months to come I can report a

happy beginning to a happy ending!

If anyone else has a story relating to getting adrenals addressed, and

then getting their thyroid addressed, please keep the stories coming.

It is so encouraging!

>

> Absolutely. My daughter could not tolerate ANY thyroid meds without

> shortness of breath and even blurred vision when she tried to

exercise. Her heart

> rate was up as well. She takes cortef now and can tolerate armour.

>

>

> Jinger

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I am hypoT, had some adrenal fatigue and am still heat intolerant on

Armour and HC, but I feel SO much better in general that the heat isn't

bothering me as much!

Marti

> So, Jan, is Manzanero well-versed in treating adrenal/thyroid issues

> then? Because I can make a 6 hour day trip to Austin. I was

> wondering if anyone with adrenal impairment is HEAT intolerant!!??!!

[Guest guest]

I had the anxiety, insomnia, racing heart, out-of-body feelings,

total panic attacks/sense of doom/thought I was having a heart

attack, weakness, difficulty breathing, tingling and numbness, but I

never had the sense of being so hot when I started Armour. I saw this

all resolve within the first year, without hyrdocortisone or cortef.

I believe you have to consider how many other things could be wrong

to cause the symptoms. I really had a lot of things wrong. Terrible

iron utilization, B12, DHEA, sex hormones, Free Ts, etc., and it all

had to be addressed. It was all making me feel weak and horrible. My

corisol was about 13 at morning test the first time, and got into 20s

pretty fast, like in 6 months.

Sorry, but from my personal, non-medical view, unless you are tested

completely and diagnosed properly, there is no way to know what is

contributing to your meds intolerance and anxiety.

I was a fearful flier long before getting really sick a few years

ago. Hope to take to the skies again in the next couple of years. I

know the drive distance seems impossible, because you are feeling so

bad. Even 5-6 hours seemed impossible to me at first. My DH had to

bundle me up and put me on the back seat, I was so weak and " fried. "

I just hate to see you playing around the edges of your illness,

piece by piece, instead of doing all you might need to do at one time

to bring your whole system into better condition to tolerate the

thyroid meds. I hate to see you waste more time.

I think if you could imagine getting better as you only goal, then

get through those first two trips, you might l have a chance to

improve and the return trips won't be as bad. Maybe you will be able

to fly before you know it. I think facing something like this falls

into the " one day at a time " or " one trip at a time " category.

It's a daunting proposition, but I know there are folks who come from

distances as far as yours and more. I think , who was in San

Anontio, and then moved to Casper, WY, might still be doing her

marathon drive with her DH, who also sees Dr. . Maybe they

are flying by now, but I know they did it after they first moved

there. DH and I used to stay over in Lubbock, since I was so sick,

but as I've gotten better, we just do a one day turn around and I'm

fine. I do a lot of the driving, and I don't really get that tired

from it any more. Hallelujah.

I know it's so hard right now. I remember being all tied up in knots,

crying, full of anxiety, trying to make the decision to go so far to

see a physician. But my DH was very supportive, and off we went.

Sara

a

>

> I've read that some of Dr. Rs patients have adrenal impairment that

keeps them from tolerating Armour(or any thyroid med). I am in that

boat. But there are two things I was wondering if those that

experienced this can explain:

>

> 1. I don't tolerate ANY thyroid meds, as I right away get

unbearably hot, shaky, insomnia worse, and fast heart rate. Is this

what low adrenals do? Some days I get this even though I'm not

trying any thyroid meds, so I was wondering if this, it itself, could

explain low adrenals.

>

> 2. I would love to go to Dr. R, but I am a 11-12 hour drive away,

and waaaaay to much anxiety to fly. There is a local MD that was

willing to give me hydrocortisone and Armour, but I was too scared to

start on the cortef. Did anyone with anxiety and all the above

symptoms find relief when they started cortisol-in other words, did

your body settle down?

>

[Guest guest]

Sharon R. reminded me awhile ago that the thyroid regulates body temp

so we have a very hard time in extreme temps. Duh! *slaps forehead*

>

> So, Jan, is Manzanero well-versed in treating adrenal/thyroid issues

then? Because I can make a 6 hour day trip to Austin. I was

wondering if anyone with adrenal impairment is HEAT intolerant!!??!!

>

[Guest guest]

It's going to take a doctor to determine this. This is something that you

can ask yourself and others, but it will take definitive testing to answer

this. I'd go back to that doctor who was willing to prescribe it. There

are too many preconceived notions that the small amts of cortisone normally

produced by the body are equal to the huge dangerous amts prescribed for

inflammation and such. If the doc tested you for this and was willing to

prescribe it, then a trial run would be in order. You are afraid of this

because of all that's been said about the larger amts. Remember, if we

don't have cortisol running through our bodies, we die.

question for those on hydrocortisone...

> I've read that some of Dr. Rs patients have adrenal impairment that

> keeps them from tolerating Armour(or any thyroid med). I am in that

> boat. But there are two things I was wondering if those that

> experienced this can explain:

>

> 1. I don't tolerate ANY thyroid meds, as I right away get unbearably

> hot, shaky, insomnia worse, and fast heart rate. Is this what low

> adrenals do? Some days I get this even though I'm not trying any

> thyroid meds, so I was wondering if this, it itself, could explain low

> adrenals.

>

> 2. I would love to go to Dr. R, but I am a 11-12 hour drive away, and

> waaaaay to much anxiety to fly. There is a local MD that was willing

> to give me hydrocortisone and Armour, but I was too scared to start on

> the cortef. Did anyone with anxiety and all the above symptoms find

> relief when they started cortisol-in other words, did your body settle

> down?

[Guest guest]

Hi. I am wondering the same thing. I have high cortisol at night and the insomnia is killer. I am tolerating the Armour but I am hoping for more relief!

-- question for those on hydrocortisone...

I've read that some of Dr. Rs patients have adrenal impairment that

keeps them from tolerating Armour(or any thyroid med). I am in that

boat. But there are two things I was wondering if those that

experienced this can explain:

1. I don't tolerate ANY thyroid meds, as I right away get unbearably

hot, shaky, insomnia worse, and fast heart rate. Is this what low

adrenals do? Some days I get this even though I'm not trying any

thyroid meds, so I was wondering if this, it itself, could explain low

adrenals.

2. I would love to go to Dr. R, but I am a 11-12 hour drive away, and

waaaaay to much anxiety to fly. There is a local MD that was willing

to give me hydrocortisone and Armour, but I was too scared to start on

the cortef. Did anyone with anxiety and all the above symptoms find

relief when they started cortisol-in other words, did your body settle

down?

[Guest guest]

Where is this Manzanero?

-- Re: Re: question for those on hydrocortisone...

Manzanero is pretty good for thyroid, better for adrenals, from what I hear.

I don't know about adrenal involvement, but being hypothyroid can cause me to be comfortable only within a very narrow temperature range. That includes heat intolerance, as well as cold intolerance. earth_friendly_farms wrote:

So, Jan, is Manzanero well-versed in treating adrenal/thyroid issues then? Because I can make a 6 hour day trip to Austin. I was wondering if anyone with adrenal impairment is HEAT intolerant!!??!!>> That could very well be adrenal. It could also be ferritin related. And sex hormones may play a role in thyroid hormone intolerance. > > Your sister needs to see a doc who knows what they are doing.> > Manzanero in Austin is hypoadrenal himself.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I'm probably going to head to Austin and have

the adrenals checked on. I hope in the months to come I can report a

happy beginning to a happy ending!

Please let us know how you like Manzanero. I'm thinking about seeing him, too... especially since I live here.

I can relate to the temperature intolerance... I am always too hot or too cold... driving everyone crazy with my constant trips to the thermostat.

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[Guest guest]

Over the years, I have had a million tests. My ferritin I've brought

up from 17 to 70(and still working on it). I already take B-12 shots

for the last 5 years, so no problem there. My past saliva cortisol

tests, done a number of times over the years, have shown low/low

norm. morning levels, and normal the rest of the day. I've had a

cortrosyn stimulation test that showed I stimulated correctly, so no

's disease. One time my blood 8 a.m. cortisol is 6, and

months later, it was 15. I've been tested for blood and urine

catecholamines, and they come back normal. I've really run the gamut

on testing for all possibilities that could produce these symptoms,

and the only abnormal labs I occasionally come back with is thyroid.

I feel deep down that my adrenals are just not up to handling thyroid

meds, and they are probably jumping in back and forth to help my body

cope. That's all I can figure. I've had my heart thoroughly checked

and all is fine. My female hormones are whacky, as I'm menopausal,

but keep getting a period about once a year(lucky me!). I run tests

anytime I feel off, to check on thyroid and ferritin levels, among

other things. I have really had things checked very well! That's

why I'm stumped as to what could be causing these extreme symptoms.

>

> I've read that some of Dr. Rs patients have adrenal impairment that

> keeps them from tolerating Armour(or any thyroid med). I am in

that

> boat. But there are two things I was wondering if those that

> experienced this can explain:

>

> 1. I don't tolerate ANY thyroid meds, as I right away get

unbearably

> hot, shaky, insomnia worse, and fast heart rate. Is this what low

> adrenals do? Some days I get this even though I'm not trying any

> thyroid meds, so I was wondering if this, it itself, could explain

low

> adrenals.

>

> 2. I would love to go to Dr. R, but I am a 11-12 hour drive away,

and

> waaaaay to much anxiety to fly. There is a local MD that was

willing

> to give me hydrocortisone and Armour, but I was too scared to start

on

> the cortef. Did anyone with anxiety and all the above symptoms

find

> relief when they started cortisol-in other words, did your body

settle

> down?

>

[Guest guest]

An AM Cortisol of 15 is still low. The problem is most doctors will not

recognize that. You need to be near the top of the that range. Has your

DHEA been tested? Some doctors look at that too and attack the cortisol

issues that way. You female hormones, DHEA, Cortisol and Thyroid are all

tied in together. I'd talk to your doctor about DHEA and the

cortisol. Ask them what they consider low cortisol? Why weren't they

treating you at 6?

Kate G

At 05:24 PM 11/1/2007, you wrote:

>Over the years, I have had a million tests. My ferritin I've brought

>up from 17 to 70(and still working on it). I already take B-12 shots

>for the last 5 years, so no problem there. My past saliva cortisol

>tests, done a number of times over the years, have shown low/low

>norm. morning levels, and normal the rest of the day. I've had a

>cortrosyn stimulation test that showed I stimulated correctly, so no

>'s disease. One time my blood 8 a.m. cortisol is 6, and

>months later, it was 15. I've been tested for blood and urine

>catecholamines, and they come back normal. I've really run the gamut

>on testing for all possibilities that could produce these symptoms,

>and the only abnormal labs I occasionally come back with is thyroid.

>I feel deep down that my adrenals are just not up to handling thyroid

>meds, and they are probably jumping in back and forth to help my body

>cope. That's all I can figure. I've had my heart thoroughly checked

>and all is fine. My female hormones are whacky, as I'm menopausal,

>but keep getting a period about once a year(lucky me!). I run tests

>anytime I feel off, to check on thyroid and ferritin levels, among

>other things. I have really had things checked very well! That's

>why I'm stumped as to what could be causing these extreme symptoms.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > I've read that some of Dr. Rs patients have adrenal impairment that

> > keeps them from tolerating Armour(or any thyroid med). I am in

>that

> > boat. But there are two things I was wondering if those that

> > experienced this can explain:

> >

> > 1. I don't tolerate ANY thyroid meds, as I right away get

>unbearably

> > hot, shaky, insomnia worse, and fast heart rate. Is this what low

> > adrenals do? Some days I get this even though I'm not trying any

> > thyroid meds, so I was wondering if this, it itself, could explain

>low

> > adrenals.

> >

> > 2. I would love to go to Dr. R, but I am a 11-12 hour drive away,

>and

> > waaaaay to much anxiety to fly. There is a local MD that was

>willing

> > to give me hydrocortisone and Armour, but I was too scared to start

>on

> > the cortef. Did anyone with anxiety and all the above symptoms

>find

> > relief when they started cortisol-in other words, did your body

>settle

> > down?

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

When you go to your doc to have your adrenals checked you might also

have them check your aldosterone and renin. For me it was adrenal

support that really helped the symptoms you describe. But I found I

have very low aldosterone levels and taking care of that was what

put a complete end to ALL those symptoms and I have been able to

raise my Armour sucessfully.

Best of luck.

Darla

> >

> > I've read that some of Dr. Rs patients have adrenal impairment

that

> > keeps them from tolerating Armour(or any thyroid med). I am in

> that

> > boat. But there are two things I was wondering if those that

> > experienced this can explain:

> >

> > 1. I don't tolerate ANY thyroid meds, as I right away get

> unbearably

> > hot, shaky, insomnia worse, and fast heart rate. Is this what

low

> > adrenals do? Some days I get this even though I'm not trying any

> > thyroid meds, so I was wondering if this, it itself, could

explain

> low

> > adrenals.

> >

> > 2. I would love to go to Dr. R, but I am a 11-12 hour drive

away,

> and

> > waaaaay to much anxiety to fly. There is a local MD that was

> willing

> > to give me hydrocortisone and Armour, but I was too scared to

start

> on

> > the cortef. Did anyone with anxiety and all the above symptoms

> find

> > relief when they started cortisol-in other words, did your body

> settle

> > down?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for thinking a little deeper!-however, I've had that tested

and IT came back normal too. I even had thought it might be that

too, but the doc said no problem there. I have a problem where I

can't stand up for longer than about 20 minutes before I'm very

lightheaded and have to sit down. I've had this now for two years,

so that's why I've had all the testing. It did sound like an

aldosterone problem, but wasn't.

> > >

> > > I've read that some of Dr. Rs patients have adrenal impairment

> that

> > > keeps them from tolerating Armour(or any thyroid med). I am in

> > that

> > > boat. But there are two things I was wondering if those that

> > > experienced this can explain:

> > >

> > > 1. I don't tolerate ANY thyroid meds, as I right away get

> > unbearably

> > > hot, shaky, insomnia worse, and fast heart rate. Is this what

> low

> > > adrenals do? Some days I get this even though I'm not trying

any

> > > thyroid meds, so I was wondering if this, it itself, could

> explain

> > low

> > > adrenals.

> > >

> > > 2. I would love to go to Dr. R, but I am a 11-12 hour drive

> away,

> > and

> > > waaaaay to much anxiety to fly. There is a local MD that was

> > willing

> > > to give me hydrocortisone and Armour, but I was too scared to

> start

> > on

> > > the cortef. Did anyone with anxiety and all the above symptoms

> > find

> > > relief when they started cortisol-in other words, did your body

> > settle

> > > down?

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I heard that Phosphatidyl Serine taken at night is helpful with that.

Have you tried that? It's something you can pick up at a vitamin

store.

Darla

>

> Hi. I am wondering the same thing. I have high cortisol at night

and the

> insomnia is killer. I am tolerating the Armour but I am hoping for

more

> relief!

>

> -- question for those on

hydrocortisone...

>

> I've read that some of Dr. Rs patients have adrenal impairment that

> keeps them from tolerating Armour(or any thyroid med). I am in that

> boat. But there are two things I was wondering if those that

> experienced this can explain:

>

> 1. I don't tolerate ANY thyroid meds, as I right away get

unbearably

> hot, shaky, insomnia worse, and fast heart rate. Is this what low

> adrenals do? Some days I get this even though I'm not trying any

> thyroid meds, so I was wondering if this, it itself, could explain

low

> adrenals.

>

> 2. I would love to go to Dr. R, but I am a 11-12 hour drive away,

and

> waaaaay to much anxiety to fly. There is a local MD that was

willing

> to give me hydrocortisone and Armour, but I was too scared to start

on

> the cortef. Did anyone with anxiety and all the above symptoms find

> relief when they started cortisol-in other words, did your body

settle

> down?

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am one of Dr. R's patients, and I don't know if this will help, but

I suffered from the intense symptoms as you, especially the anxiety.

My cortisol level was actually 2 points high, but my DHEA levels, T3

and Iron levels were all low. Since starting on Armour (only 3 weeks

now) and DHEA (2 weeks) and iron supplements (2 weeks), my anxiety

level is about 1/3 of what it was. I was living in a 24 hour panic

attack state a month ago. I'm sure it is the combination of

everything and I'm on a beta blocker until the heart rate settles down.

Anyway, just wanted to let you know that I had those symptoms (felt

EXTREMELY hyper on Synthroid, even though I was hypo) and it seemed to

be a number of things out of whack causing them.

Good Luck!

--Kim

>

> I've read that some of Dr. Rs patients have adrenal impairment that

> keeps them from tolerating Armour(or any thyroid med). I am in that

> boat. But there are two things I was wondering if those that

> experienced this can explain:

>

> 1. I don't tolerate ANY thyroid meds, as I right away get unbearably

> hot, shaky, insomnia worse, and fast heart rate. Is this what low

> adrenals do? Some days I get this even though I'm not trying any

> thyroid meds, so I was wondering if this, it itself, could explain low

> adrenals.

>

> 2. I would love to go to Dr. R, but I am a 11-12 hour drive away, and

> waaaaay to much anxiety to fly. There is a local MD that was willing

> to give me hydrocortisone and Armour, but I was too scared to start on

> the cortef. Did anyone with anxiety and all the above symptoms find

> relief when they started cortisol-in other words, did your body settle

> down?

>

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Sorry to be such

a "needy" member this week!

Don't worry about that! I think we're all needy at one time or another. Best of luck with Manzanero. I am thinking of making an appt. with him, too. I've got low DHEA, tend to be anemic, and probably have adrenal issues since even 3 grains of Armour doesn't do that much for me. I often wonder about celiac or yeast, too... because I just don't seem to absorb meds and supplements like I should. I was on 150 mgs of DHEA per day and my levels never did come up. And 3 grains barely suppresses my TSH, weird. And then there's the pre-menopausal hormones.... YIKES! :-)

Best of luck with it all!

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