Re: Re: Gonino - Latest Results

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That is very true. But the time off work I'd have to miss to get out there would cost more than these tests likely. I don't have paid time off again until July. So I'm out of luck there anyway for now.

However, I do believe I have the yeast overgrowth. I know that isn't recognized by a lot of doctors but I do believe in it personally and know that it can effect a great deal about how a person feels. I know people who went through the treatments such as I am about to and felt immensely better very fast. Plus, I have many, many digestion issues that these cleanses will help clear up so I want to do them.

And yeah, warning bells went off when he wanted me to reduce the Armour and when I said I wanted to *raise* the Armour eventually (once adrenals had been figured out) he said " But you just said you can't tolerate it that high. " So while he seemed to get that adrenals can be a problem with thryoid (said I was smart to want to test them), he didn't seem to get the correlation between between thyroid *meds* and adrenals. *sigh*

He is a doctor who listens to his patients and knows he doesn't know it all. So he's teachable I think if I bring him the right studies and information to read. Makes me want to stick it out with him, at least until I get paid time off again.

But I admit to being kind of torn about it all. I change my mind every hour it seems. lol

Jul

Actually the costs of what your doing now might balance out even with the travel to see Dr. R. I haven't had to do any classes, cleanses or IV treatments. I bet that's easily the cost of a night in a Lubbock hotel. Just a thought...

And it makes me nervous when docs start talking about reducing Armour dosage.

Carol

>> To be fair, I'm not sure she is technically " managing " me. At least yet -> can't comment on her ordering tests as she hasn't done that yet to me. All> the comments pretty much that we went over were written by him. At least

> all my yeast stuff and meds and vitamins he wanted me on were from> him (well, he signed it anyway), she was simply going over it with me. But> none of that included thyroid stuff so I'm not sure really on that if those

> were her opinions or his (a few things she said made it sound like it was> coming from him, most especially the cortisol levels as she said " He wants> to wait and retest " .) I assumed she was simply reading off his comments but

> one should really not ever do that with thyroid. lol> > I'm scheduled to meet with her in another 3 weeks but you are right, I> should be meeting with him. I'll call and get that changed. They kind of

> through me a bit when they set that up with her and I didn't speak out like> I should have. I remember hesitating a bit but just let it go. Should> never do that so shame on me! > > If I haven't noticed a big improvement in how I feel by summer, I guess I'll

> be heading to Lubbock. *sigh* I really hope to not have to do that. I> don't have the money for all the stuff they're got me doing right now> anyway! My mother has to cover it all and she'd have to cover any plane

> tickets and hotels I might have to do (though I do have a grandmother in> Slaton - but she's pretty sick a lot and doesn't like to have to deal with> company then, even by her grandkids apparently). I just hate to add on to

> her already bad finances.> > Thanks for your thoughts.> > Jul

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> Jul - Tried to go over your other recent posts. Sorry if I missed any

> mention of any iron tests results before, but I didn't see any in

> your recent posts. Iron is a huge issue with most of us.

My iron levels at my last annual physical were " fine " but this was by

a doctor I don't trust one bit so hard to say really what they were.

I should get that retested again - it's about time for my next

physical actually.

Jul

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> I initially thought these gals were loco with all their Lubbock talk,

> but I'm a believer! I didn't think my condition was " worthy " of

> taking such a step out....but Sara and just about everyone else said

> if they knew then what they did now, they would have seen Dr. R

> ASAP. I'm glad I listened to them!!!!

How often do you have to go out to see him? Maybe I should just move

back to Lubbock. Heck, it was seriously cheap to live there! It's got

that going for it. LOL My apartment was a nice 2 bedroom for like

$400 a month! What I'd kill to have THAT again!

Except I could do without the psycho college boys who lived below us

this time around. *g*

Jul

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Great info! Making a note of this.

Thanks!

Jul

> Good idea. Yup, ya gotta get all those pesky details in your hands all

> at one time to see what's going on. The regular CBC type test showing

> the hemoglobin isn't enough. Need ferritin, total serum iron, TIBC, %

> saturation. Gives the detailed picture of the amount of iron in storage

> and at work (or not) in your system.

>

> Sara

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He wants to see new patients back in two weeks and then he puts them on a three or six month recall. Once you are on stable doses of everything, he wants to see you once a year. I am on a 9-12 month recall, but I seem to go about every nine months. After the first visit, you can get your blood drawn at a local CPL lab a few weeks before your visit. One lady did move back to Lubbock. . . . .I don't think Dr. R was her only reason, but I think he was one factor in her decision. Gee. You could even use him for your primary care doc, if you lived there. I know I would. I make a point of getting his opinion on all of my health issues, as it is. Jul wrote: > I initially thought these gals were loco with all their Lubbock talk,> but I'm a believer! I didn't think my condition was "worthy" of> taking such a step out....but Sara and just about everyone else said> if they knew then what they did now, they would have seen Dr. R> ASAP. I'm glad I listened to them!!!!How often do you have to go out to see him? Maybe I should just moveback to Lubbock. Heck, it was seriously cheap to live there! It's gotthat going for it. LOL My apartment was a nice 2 bedroom for like$400 a month! What I'd kill to have THAT again! ;)Except I could do without the psycho college boys who lived below usthis time around. *g*Jul

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Most importantly, get the Ferritin (storage iron), as opposed to Serum Iron

only. Also, the one that transports it back and forth out of storage is

good to get, in concert WITH the Ferritin. You always need to get a copy of

your labs.

Re: Re: Gonino - Latest Results

>

>> Jul - Tried to go over your other recent posts. Sorry if I missed any

>> mention of any iron tests results before, but I didn't see any in

>> your recent posts. Iron is a huge issue with most of us.

>

> My iron levels at my last annual physical were " fine " but this was by

> a doctor I don't trust one bit so hard to say really what they were.

> I should get that retested again - it's about time for my next

> physical actually.

>

> Jul

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Yes. "Normal" is a setting on the clothes dryer and "fine" is a coffee grind.carol77096 wrote: If it doesn't say Free T3 and Free T4 then it's not. "Fine" and "Normal" are not words you want to hear anymore. You want the numbers in black and white! :-) Carol > > > Are you absolutely SURE that this test value is the FREE value of T4, not> > the TOTAL T4, which also counts in the binding proteins??? It looks like> > the latter to me, but

then.......> > > Well, that's a good question. I thought they were but...I'm not really sure> I know how to tell the difference. The lab page she gave me a copy of don't> say free on either of them now that I'm looking at it again. Just Thyroxine> (T4) and Triiodothyronine (T3). Does that mean they didn't check frees??> Dammit.> > I don't know why I just trust these guys to know what they're doing. I will> learn one day. > > Jul

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I didn't mind Lubbock all that much, I was one of the few college kids who didn't really love the " nightlife " and all that so Lubbock wasn't much different from Dallas to me. *g* But I doubt I could go back to the constant dust storms, the bad bad smell, terrible storms...I get enough of that in Dallas.

I may just have to suck it up eventually and hit Dr. R this summer. I guess I could trust him to order the frees? heeJulOn 3/2/07, Jan

wrote:

He wants to see new patients back in two weeks and then he puts them on a three or six month recall. Once you are on stable doses of everything, he wants to see you once a year. I am on a 9-12 month recall, but I seem to go about every nine months. After the first visit, you can get your blood drawn at a local CPL lab a few weeks before your visit.

One lady did move back to Lubbock. . . . .I don't think Dr. R was her only reason, but I think he was one factor in her decision.

Gee. You could even use him for your primary care doc, if you lived there. I know I would. I make a point of getting his opinion on all of my health issues, as it is.

Jul wrote:

> I initially thought these gals were loco with all their Lubbock talk,> but I'm a believer! I didn't think my condition was " worthy " of

> taking such a step out....but Sara and just about everyone else said> if they knew then what they did now, they would have seen Dr. R> ASAP. I'm glad I listened to them!!!!How often do you have to go out to see him? Maybe I should just move

back to Lubbock. Heck, it was seriously cheap to live there! It's gotthat going for it. LOL My apartment was a nice 2 bedroom for like$400 a month! What I'd kill to have THAT again! ;)Except I could do without the psycho college boys who lived below us

this time around. *g*Jul The fish are biting.

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> For follow up visits, I get blood work done in advance within 5

> minutes of my house in Dallas, and it's sent to Lubbock. How lucky is

> that?

Thanks! That's good to know you could do labs here and have them

sent. I wondered how that worked with the long travel.

Jul

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Not to discourage you from you current course. But if you do need to make a change to Lubbock, I was thinking along the same lines as Carol. I have done both routes, more of a holistic bend and traditional. The cost of all of the supplements was big bucks. It definitely could be a wash as far as costs of supplements, etc vs. travel. Another challenge I would have is committing to the frequency of appointments even though Gonino is much closer to me.

I think you have a great idea of allowing a time frame for when you hope to see positive results. Hang in there! I've done Candida cleanses and sometimes you feel worse before you feel better (detoxing). I'm sure they told you that in the class though.

Kim

From: Texas_Thyroid_Groups [mailto:Texas_Thyroid_Groups ] On Behalf Of carol77096Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 4:12 PMTo: Texas_Thyroid_Groups Subject: Re: Gonino - Latest Results

Actually the costs of what your doing now might balance out even with the travel to see Dr. R. I haven't had to do any classes, cleanses or IV treatments. I bet that's easily the cost of a night in a Lubbock hotel. Just a thought...

And it makes me nervous when docs start talking about reducing Armour dosage.

Carol

>> To be fair, I'm not sure she is technically "managing" me. At least yet -> can't comment on her ordering tests as she hasn't done that yet to me. All> the comments pretty much that we went over were written by him. At least> all my yeast stuff and meds and vitamins he wanted me on were from> him (well, he signed it anyway), she was simply going over it with me. But> none of that included thyroid stuff so I'm not sure really on that if those> were her opinions or his (a few things she said made it sound like it was> coming from him, most especially the cortisol levels as she said "He wants> to wait and retest".) I assumed she was simply reading off his comments but> one should really not ever do that with thyroid. lol> > I'm scheduled to meet with her in another 3 weeks but you are right, I> should be meeting with him. I'll call and get that changed. They kind of> through me a bit when they set that up with her and I didn't speak out like> I should have. I remember hesitating a bit but just let it go. Should> never do that so shame on me! > > If I haven't noticed a big improvement in how I feel by summer, I guess I'll> be heading to Lubbock. *sigh* I really hope to not have to do that. I> don't have the money for all the stuff they're got me doing right now> anyway! My mother has to cover it all and she'd have to cover any plane> tickets and hotels I might have to do (though I do have a grandmother in> Slaton - but she's pretty sick a lot and doesn't like to have to deal with> company then, even by her grandkids apparently). I just hate to add on to> her already bad finances.> > Thanks for your thoughts.> > Jul

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Ferritin and iron are two different things. Most of the time you must ask

them to check the ferritin.

Ferritin is the blood stores, the body goes there first.

Kate

At 10:19 PM 3/2/2007, you wrote:

>

> > Jul - Tried to go over your other recent posts. Sorry if I missed any

> > mention of any iron tests results before, but I didn't see any in

> > your recent posts. Iron is a huge issue with most of us.

>

>My iron levels at my last annual physical were " fine " but this was by

>a doctor I don't trust one bit so hard to say really what they were.

>I should get that retested again - it's about time for my next

>physical actually.

>

>Jul

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I think you have a great idea of allowing a time frame for when you hope to see positive results. Hang in there! I've done Candida cleanses and sometimes you feel worse before you feel better (detoxing). I'm sure they told you that in the class though.Yes, they warned us of that. 2-3 weeks in is when the teacher herself said she had it the worst. So I know it's coming (starting it tomorrow). Ack!

Jul

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Hang in there. I'm sure everyone is different. My worse days were probably days 3-5, flu like symptoms and a pounding headache and very emotional. I felt much better about a week out. The diet is very difficult to stick with (long term) but I would think much easier knowing you have an end date. I have probably lasted about 4 months but thought I was on the diet indefinitely.

Kim

From: Texas_Thyroid_Groups [mailto:Texas_Thyroid_Groups ] On Behalf Of JulSent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 3:37 PMTo: Texas_Thyroid_Groups Subject: Re: Re: Gonino - Latest Results

I think you have a great idea of allowing a time frame for when you hope to see positive results. Hang in there! I've done Candida cleanses and sometimes you feel worse before you feel better (detoxing). I'm sure they told you that in the class though.

Yes, they warned us of that. 2-3 weeks in is when the teacher herself said she had it the worst. So I know it's coming (starting it tomorrow). Ack! Jul