Guest guest Posted August 13, 2003 Report Share Posted August 13, 2003 STATEMENT : " God is egolessness.God is selflessness. " THE ASKING : 1.) Is it true that God is egolessness.God is selflessness ? THE ANSWER : yes. My guru and other sages say this many times. 2.) Can I absolutely be sure that God is egolessness. God is selflessness ? THE ANSWER : No. I have not PERSONALLY experienced either/ or. I have only been TOLD by a significant other(a guru) whom I trusted 100%. But I can't prove that this idea is 100% true . 3.) What do I feel/react when I think that God is egolessness. God is selflessness ? THE ANSWER : I react by looking at me as very egoic, very selfish: I feel contracted. I feel afraid that whatever misery I lived through was BECAUSE I was selfish, punished by selfless God for selfishness.I feel afraid that because God is selflessness, I need to clearly DO something about me here doing wrong things -- living a selfish life. I feel I am not sefless enough. I should not be selfish in my word, thought, deed. How do you treat yourself when you think this thought? I become my own self-disciplinarian. I dogwalk my desires(a brisk 'toilet' walk). I control me. I force me to be noble. I fantazise a perfect selfless me. I get devastated when I do not live up to what I want me to be. I deny my negative feelings with 'an inner smile'.I numb my honest presence with perfectionist concepts. I secretly despise the selfish world. How do you treat others? Lovingly from a place of duty, dishonest lovingness. secretly very angry that I am the only one having to do this -- seek to become selfless, while others are not bothered to seek to please a selfless God. What do you get out of this thought? I get to be a good disciple, a sincere follower of my guru, I get a permission to put me on a leash, to self-medicate my disease (selfishness) in me and others.I get to feel pious, meek, pure- hearted. A Hero(what a tough task to do). the excitement of monitoring my progress -- " I am today less selfish than yesterday. I am ascending higher and higher " . What is the cost? I am a slave to spiritual perfectionism. I feel lonely in the world -- no one else cares about this, no one else is dedicating his life to this idea. I am the only one aspiring for selflessness. I am defining my life by someone else's(be it my beloved Guru) measure of what I should be doing. 4.) Who would I be without the thought that God is egolessness. God is selflessness ? THE ANSWER : Could probably feel God's presence. Would not feel judged by anyone for my actions. Would not seek to improve my behavior. Would relax about having Ego and just have it. Have ego and do Nothing to remove it. Be at peace with myself here and now. Accept other people JUST as they are. Not demand the world to be more selfless. THE TURNAROUNDS : Original statement : " God is egolessness. God is selflessness. " TURNAROUND 1 : " GOD is the ego. God is the selfishness. " (Yes. That is certainly my truth, the What Is. And it feels so good. I only know the selfishness. When I strive for selflessness, I struggle with my reality in which selfishness rules) TURNAROUND 2 : " God is supposed to be egolessness. God is supposed to be selflessness. " (So that I can bang my head on the wall trying to live up to this idea and one day WAKE UP hopefully to its turnaround) TURNAROUND 3 : " egolessness is my fantasy. selflessness is my fantasy " . I can't know what the Guru MEANS when he says these things. He MIGHT have meant something else and I interpreted egolessness in a CRAZY way, he might have meant something other than what I MEAN by egolessness. I can only hear MY STORY in his words about egolessness/ selflessness. And because what he really means by these ideas can't be known to me, the " meanings " I have projected upon these words are my own thing, and not His truth or the Truth. egolessness/selflessness is a projection of my thinking egolessness/selflessness is not the reality, not What Is. ego/selfishness is What Is. Oh, God, what a relief. thank you, family. love, elena-me (Dear Elena, please add your happy peaceful REAL universal, what-is name -- " Me " ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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