Re: Sleepy in the afternoon

[Guest guest]

Hey Deborah, where at in Ft.Worth do you live? I live in Alvarado and work in

Burleson.

" Deborah in FW, TX " wrote: Vicky,

You are very lucky to have lost 5 pounds in that short of a time. I have been on

Armour for a year now and have not lost or gained anything. I do need to lose

15-25 pounds. My doctor said 15. I say 25.

I do have trouble with Armour increases. I am only on 90mg after a year. I

suffer heart palpitations,etc with each increase, so therefore we are going very

slow with increases. I am on DHEA for adrenal support. My DHEA and testosterone

levels were very low. My progesterone is low and estrogen is high.

I used to have to take a nap every single day before being diagnosed with

Hashi's. I could not sleep at night or stay asleep. I sleep much better now,

wake up more rested and do not need a nap during the day.

I would tell your doctor what is going on.

Deborah

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Vicky,

I live in Haltom City! Not too far from you!!!

What doctor do you go to?

Deborah

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[Guest guest]

I just sta rted on Armour. I am sleep most all the time I am hoping the Armour

is going to help. Most of the time I sleep ok but willstill wake up tired. My

energy level is very bad.

P

Re: Sleepy in the afternoon

Hey Deborah, where at in Ft.Worth do you live? I live in Alvarado and work in

Burleson.

" Deborah in FW, TX " wrote: Vicky,

You are very lucky to have lost 5 pounds in that short of a time. I have been

on Armour for a year now and have not lost or gained anything. I do need to lose

15-25 pounds. My doctor said 15. I say 25.

I do have trouble with Armour increases. I am only on 90mg after a year. I

suffer heart palpitations,etc with each increase, so therefore we are going very

slow with increases. I am on DHEA for adrenal support. My DHEA and testosterone

levels were very low. My progesterone is low and estrogen is high.

I used to have to take a nap every single day before being diagnosed with

Hashi's. I could not sleep at night or stay asleep. I sleep much better now,

wake up more rested and do not need a nap during the day.

I would tell your doctor what is going on.

Deborah

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Since I started Armour in February, I have been sleepy all day and every

day. I was never sleepy on T4. I don't know what is the reason. I also gained 5

lb and now I need to loose 15. I am not optimized, though.

I don't think that you need adrenal support with high noon cortisol. Maybe

you need more time.

[Guest guest]

I am not sleepy since I take an afternon dose. I am on 2.75 gr. armour now.

I take 1 gr. 8:00am; 1gr. 1:00pm and .75 gr. 6:00pm. This works out well.

I gained a few lbs before I started this last .25 mg increase. I am hoping

that it will stop now that Ive increased armour a bit.

Boy, this weight stuff is really scary! I wish I only needed to lose 15lbs!

I need to lose about 40! I also take 7.5 mg hydrocortisone; .25 mg

estradiol and testosterone. I'm pretty sure I am not optimized. I had a

hysterectomy 19 years ago and taht's when my problems began! no doctor would

give me

thyroid until 1.5 years ago. I am hoping that my body will heal given

enough time!

steph

[Guest guest]

Dear Vicky--

One of the things I would suggest is to stop thinking

exclusively in terms of medication, and start

considering your overall lifestyle. This is not to

say that you should stop taking your medications or

cease consulting your doctor, but to reinforce that

thyroid and adrenal problems can be affected by

lifestyle choices and diet.

Having said that, I would like to point out a couple

of things:

1) You've only been on Armour for approximately six

weeks, which is the minimum time the body begins to

adjust to this medication. Especially with a dose as

large as yours, you might give it another four weeks

before taking new steps with any medication or

vitamin-- depending on what advice your doctor gives.

2) Weight loss can be affected by any sort of sleep

funkiness. If your body isn't resting properly, you

cannot function properly when you're awake, and when

you are sluggish, you are not expending a normal

amount of energy to maintain normal weight.

3) What is your diet like? If you're consuming

caffeine, sugar, or preservatives/additives, you may

be playing havoc with your already stressed adrenals.

Are you giving yourself enough fuel to function during

the day when you're fatigued? Do you eat breakfast,

and if so, what is it?

Are you consuming caffeine, alcohol or sugar in the

evenings? These three things can rev up an exhausted

system.

Sometimes sleep issues can still persist when you're

doing everything " right " if your adrenals are not

functioning normally. I, too, have the sleepy during

the day, awake at night issue. My last appointment

with my doctor was spent mostly on discussing my sleep

problems, even though my levels-- DHEA, thyroid, and

iron --have bottomed out.

For sixteen months, I have not been able to go to bed

before four a.m. This has caused heinous problems in

all quarters of my life. Even though I get eight or

more hours of sleep per day, I know that my body does

not like this reversed sleep schedule. It is most

certainly hindering the healing process.

Most of the time, I am groggy all day until seven or

so in the evening.

My doctor set up a new protocol for me, including 1.5

mg compounded melatonin, the body's natural sleep

hormone through Women's Int'l Pharmacy. You may want

to discuss a similar option with your physician.

Although I am still not on a normal sleep schedule, I

am now at least going to sleep by 2:30 a.m. I

consider this a minor victory.

Wishing you all the best--

Courtenay.

--- vickyhebbe wrote:

> Mainly I'm still

> tired in the morning and get sleepy during the day,

> but at night I

> become wide awake. And the most important thing to

> me is my weight. I

> need only to loose about 15 pounds. So pllease some

> one tell me what I

> need to take.

>

>

> Vicky

[Guest guest]

That is when my problems started After I had my hysterectomy. I was on

weightloss pills and they just stopped working and my hair started falling out.

My doctor told me to take my armour 1st thing in the morning on an empty

stomach.

Re: Sleepy in the afternoon

I am not sleepy since I take an afternon dose. I am on 2.75 gr. armour now.

I take 1 gr. 8:00am; 1gr. 1:00pm and .75 gr. 6:00pm. This works out well.

I gained a few lbs before I started this last .25 mg increase. I am hoping

that it will stop now that Ive increased armour a bit.

Boy, this weight stuff is really scary! I wish I only needed to lose 15lbs!

I need to lose about 40! I also take 7.5 mg hydrocortisone; .25 mg

estradiol and testosterone. I'm pretty sure I am not optimized. I had a

hysterectomy 19 years ago and taht's when my problems began! no doctor would

give me

thyroid until 1.5 years ago. I am hoping that my body will heal given

enough time!

steph

[Guest guest]

I am able to have a semi-normal sleep/wake cycle for the first time in my life, since I started taking all of my sex hormones about an hour before I want to go to bed, even if this sometimes means taking my estrogen too close to my second dose of Armour. I avoid late night projects, too, and go to bed between 11:30 pm and 12:30am. My alarm clock is set for 6:15 am. This is all new for me. rgrprop wrote: Courtenay

-Did you perhaps mean "topped out" or "maxxed out" instead of "bottomed out" concerning your levels? I was confused.I wondered if you do any computer work, watch tv, read under a strong light, or do work at night where many lights are on. I was thinking that perhaps you are perpetuating your reversed schedule by getting more active late at night, and therefore, reinforcing the reversal. My DH told me that he read where working on the computer late into the evening can keep you awake for several hours after you shut down, since the light, which source is very close to your eyes, keeps hitting the rods in your eyes and your body thinks it's still daytime. DH is helping remind me to quit computer work, cleaning up the kitchen, doing chores, etc. at 9pm, and we start to lower the lights and settle in for the evening. I've stopped taking the laptop to bed, and now just occasionally read a book for awhile under my

book light, which is much less bright. I've worked my way back to falling asleep at midnight to 1am. Occasionally I'm up later, but far less than before. I still don't get up until around 10am, but I'm getting more solid sleep, and so I don't feel tired during the day. I do try to rest between daytime activities, just to try to store up energy, but am able to handle a lot more than a few months ago.That's great that you are making headway. I know how frustrating the reversed clock is......sara>> Sometimes sleep issues can still persist when you're> doing everything "right" if your adrenals are not> functioning normally. I, too, have the sleepy during>

the day, awake at night issue. My last appointment> with my doctor was spent mostly on discussing my sleep> problems, even though my levels-- DHEA, thyroid, and> iron --have bottomed out. > > For sixteen months, I have not been able to go to bed> before four a.m. This has caused heinous problems in> all quarters of my life. Even though I get eight or> more hours of sleep per day, I know that my body does> not like this reversed sleep schedule. It is most> certainly hindering the healing process.> > Most of the time, I am groggy all day until seven or> so in the evening.> > My doctor set up a new protocol for me, including 1.5> mg compounded melatonin, the body's natural sleep> hormone through Women's Int'l Pharmacy. You may want> to discuss a similar option with your physician. > Although I am still not on a normal sleep schedule, I>

am now at least going to sleep by 2:30 a.m. I> consider this a minor victory.>

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[Guest guest]

Sara

Very interesting. I have used a dimmer switch on the bed side lamp for years.

I do this so my

eyes can adjust to the dimmer light and help me to get sleepy and go to sleep.

Again, a twinkie

sister!

Sharon

--- rgrprop wrote:

> Courtenay -

>

> Did you perhaps mean " topped out " or " maxxed out " instead

> of " bottomed out " concerning your levels? I was confused.

>

> I wondered if you do any computer work, watch tv, read under a

> strong light, or do work at night where many lights are on. I was

> thinking that perhaps you are perpetuating your reversed schedule by

> getting more active late at night, and therefore, reinforcing the

> reversal. My DH told me that he read where working on the computer

> late into the evening can keep you awake for several hours after you

> shut down, since the light, which source is very close to your eyes,

> keeps hitting the rods in your eyes and your body thinks it's still

> daytime. DH is helping remind me to quit computer work, cleaning up

> the kitchen, doing chores, etc. at 9pm, and we start to lower the

> lights and settle in for the evening. I've stopped taking the laptop

> to bed, and now just occasionally read a book for awhile under my

> book light, which is much less bright. I've worked my way back to

> falling asleep at midnight to 1am. Occasionally I'm up later, but

> far less than before. I still don't get up until around 10am, but

> I'm getting more solid sleep, and so I don't feel tired during the

> day. I do try to rest between daytime activities, just to try to

> store up energy, but am able to handle a lot more than a few months

> ago.

>

> That's great that you are making headway. I know how frustrating the

> reversed clock is......sara

>

>

>

> >

> > Sometimes sleep issues can still persist when you're

> > doing everything " right " if your adrenals are not

> > functioning normally. I, too, have the sleepy during

> > the day, awake at night issue. My last appointment

> > with my doctor was spent mostly on discussing my sleep

> > problems, even though my levels-- DHEA, thyroid, and

> > iron --have bottomed out.

> >

> > For sixteen months, I have not been able to go to bed

> > before four a.m. This has caused heinous problems in

> > all quarters of my life. Even though I get eight or

> > more hours of sleep per day, I know that my body does

> > not like this reversed sleep schedule. It is most

> > certainly hindering the healing process.

> >

> > Most of the time, I am groggy all day until seven or

> > so in the evening.

> >

> > My doctor set up a new protocol for me, including 1.5

> > mg compounded melatonin, the body's natural sleep

> > hormone through Women's Int'l Pharmacy. You may want

> > to discuss a similar option with your physician.

> > Although I am still not on a normal sleep schedule, I

> > am now at least going to sleep by 2:30 a.m. I

> > consider this a minor victory.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

Sharon

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[Guest guest]

Oh, gosh, Courtenay, I'm so very sorry about your recent troubles and

health dive. I truly hope with your accumulated wisdom and experience,

you can get back to your previous good levels soon. Wish I could be

there to make you some tea and give you a hug! - Sara

[Guest guest]

Hurray & congrats, Jan!! Maybe I'll ask about using that

technique some time. I'd so love to reduce the a-d meds.

Quality sleep is such a big part of this recovery journey. I know

some folks sleep a great deal, and also have to nap during the day,

but for me it's been years of broken sleep, without any napping

during the day. I always had anxiety rather than sleepiness. But,

thank goodness, that seems to be in the past.

I've noticed that when I can get a string of nights of 7-8 hours of

solid sleep, it just accelerates my sense of energy and well being.

Then I can do more physical things like house or yard work (with the

attendent benefits of the sun), so I think I'm getting more

naturally tired, falling asleep faster, and having deeper, more

restorative sleep.

>

> I am able to have a semi-normal sleep/wake cycle for the first

time in my life, since I started taking all of my sex hormones about

an hour before I want to go to bed, even if this sometimes means

taking my estrogen too close to my second dose of Armour. I avoid

late night projects, too, and go to bed between 11:30 pm and

12:30am. My alarm clock is set for 6:15 am. This is all new for me.

>

[Guest guest]

Hey, Twinkie sister!

Yes, I finally realized that I can't just " go to bed! " Never could as

a kid, don't know why I thought I could now! Must take time to ramp

down, get relaxed, lower the lights, watch the fan blades turn over my

head, zzzzzzzzzzzz... sg

>

[Guest guest]

I got mine at the Lamp Shade Shop on 50th Street in Lubbock. They

repair and rewire lamps and sell the most gorgeous silk shades. I

would suggest calling a similar shop in San .

Sharon

>

> >

> > Sara

> > Very interesting. I have used a dimmer switch on

> > the bed side lamp for years. I do this so my

> > eyes can adjust to the dimmer light and help me to

> > get sleepy and go to sleep. Again, a twinkie

> > sister!

> > Sharon

>

[Guest guest]

OOOooooh. Now, THAT'S an idea. Thanks so much,

Sharon!

Courtenay.

--- smr79410 wrote:

> I got mine at the Lamp Shade Shop on 50th Street in

> Lubbock. They

> repair and rewire lamps and sell the most gorgeous

> silk shades. I

> would suggest calling a similar shop in San

> .

> Sharon

>