Guest guest Posted March 28, 2003 Report Share Posted March 28, 2003 I thought it did contain casein but just a type of it, a different casomorphin. You can sometimes get A2 milk from Guernsey cows, too, but they've been interbred so much, these cows, that you'd have hard time finding out if it was purely A2 milk. perhaps if you owned a cow and tested it! Marti P.S. We use goat's milk. That's got a different and more digestible protein structure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2003 Report Share Posted March 28, 2003 Hi Khali is it possible to buy A2 milk? I haven't seen in shops. Also, I suspect A2 casein would still be problematic for most autistic people, just less problematic than A1, in much the same way that goat and sheep casein are. Probably it's long-term significance will be when breeding programs replace A1 cows with A2, so that all cow's milk sold is mostly A2. When this has happened, I think people will be less likely to develop leaky guts in the first place as the A2 is less damaging. (I believe the leaky gut is genrally caused by an interaction between diet, vaccines and genetics, though I concede this is a contentious assertion) > Hello, > > I was wondering if any Australians or New Zealanders have tried any of the new A2 milk that does not contain casein? > > For those that are interested there is a show on the ABC this coming Monday 31st March 8.30 p.m. called " White Mischief " on the current debate in the dairy industry regarding the links to A1 Milk and Autism amongst other " illnesses " and > > For non-Australians there will also be an on-line discussion after the show. > > See link below: > > http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2003/20030331_white_mischief/de fault.htm > > Thanks, > > Khali > Adelaide, South Australia. > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/03 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2003 Report Share Posted March 29, 2003 interesting - not heard of it in NZ - anyone else know of this? Cheers H A2 Milk > Hello, > > I was wondering if any Australians or New Zealanders have tried any of the new A2 milk that does not contain casein? > > For those that are interested there is a show on the ABC this coming Monday 31st March 8.30 p.m. called " White Mischief " on the current debate in the dairy industry regarding the links to A1 Milk and Autism amongst other " illnesses " and > > For non-Australians there will also be an on-line discussion after the show. > > See link below: > > http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2003/20030331_white_mischief/default. htm > > Thanks, > > Khali > Adelaide, South Australia. > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/03 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2003 Report Share Posted March 30, 2003 > interesting - not heard of it in NZ - anyone else know of this? > Cheers H Actually, , New Zealand is the epicentre of this story: From the Australian newspaper, November 13, 2002 Milk consumption linked to autism By Harvey, New Zealand correspondent DAIRY giant Fonterra is trying to suppress explosive research linking milk with autism in children, according to a lawsuit filed in New Zealand's High Court. All milk and dairy products sold in Australia are potentially affected by the research, including Fon-terra's top-selling brands Mainland, s, Tip Top and Bega. A secret internal Fonterra memo, dated October 2000, reveals the New Zealand-based co-operative was warned by its own scientist of research suggesting autism, schizophrenia, diabetes and heart disease could be triggered by proteins found in all of its milk products and infant formulas. The memo, tendered in the High Court case, says there is " growing evidence, but yet unproven, that peptides released from milk may be related to occurrence of some mental disorders " . " If the media were ever able to assemble the information shown in this paper they could put an alarmist spin on the whole area of milk consumption, " the internal briefing paper to directors of Fonterra, then known as the New Zealand Dairy Board, says. The research relates to a protein in A1 milk, which is the most commonly pro duced milk in Australia. The protein – beta casein A1 – is also allegedly a risk factor for childhood diabetes and coronary heart disease. The Australian and New Zealand Food Standards Authority says all milk sold in Australia is A1 type. Its spokeswoman said it had not warned the public because of ongoing legal action. The accusations are made by A2 Corporation, a New Zealand biotechnology company formed by dairy scientist Corran McLachlan in 2000. Dr McLachlan alleges Fonterra has secretly applied for patent applications on research linking A1 milk with autism. But Fonterra accuses Dr McLachlan of publicity-seeking for A2 Corporation's own milk, which does not contain the protein. Dr McLachlan plans to launch A2 milk in the New Zealand market as early as Christmas. " This is a public interest matter, " Dr McLachlan told The Australian. " We believe this information is being suppressed and that is why we are risking so much money on a High Court case. " Dr McLachlan said he would be wary of feeding A1 milk to children. " I would not encourage my kids to drink lots of milk, " he said. Fonterra chief executive Craig Norgate denies any cover-up. " There is nothing in the research that gives us concern. We would be the first to take a responsible public stand if we felt it was warranted. " A2 Corporation wants the court to force Fonterra to reveal all research it has linking A1 milk to autism, and to put health warnings on its A1 milk. The Fonterra memo says University of Florida scientist Cade reported in 1999 that children with autism and schizophrenia had extremely high levels of BCM-7, a compound produced by the digestion of A1 milk. The potential for A1 milk to trigger childhood (type 1) diabetes was first reported by Auckland diabetes specialist Bob Elliott in 1994 and later supported by further research in 1999. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2003 Report Share Posted March 30, 2003 Hi Marti,Steve Yes Marti you are right. It does have the casein but not the problematic one, so I have discovered today. I understand that there are herd in NZ that do not produce type A2 milk but it is all mixed at the dairy. This is in part what the debate is over. There is said to be reports stating how " ordinary " milk has been linked to certain diseases and there is a " break-away " group within the dairy industry who have decided to produce the A2 milk and market it. They have the support of a few in the medical profession and it has the money moguls in the dairy industry worried. I agree with you Steve, if they win in regard to getting A2 out on the market it could help reduce some of the initial leaky gut that leads to so many other problems. I cannot tolerate any milk (goat,sheep,cow) soy or numerous other things for that matter. If the products come out I will give them a try with enzymes but I confess to having the same doubts you have expressed. Still it's good to see some " real debate " going on about milk and some damaging medical research actually managing to see the light of day in Australia. I hope they give the dairy industry heaps of grief! That in itself is some what therapeutic. I've definitely booked myself in to watch the programme tonight and I've asked a friend in NZ to see if she can find out about when the milk is planned to be on the market. Cheers, Khali (Adelaide, South Australia) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2003 Report Share Posted November 14, 2003 Has anyone tried the a2 milk with a child sensitive to casein? Is it the asnwer we all hoped it would be? I notice our local HFS has it in store now but I can't trty it with my son quite yet becaushe is off on a 5 day camp in the High Plains and I can't risk an adverse reaction before he goes. I tried ordinary milk with him when we first got the enzymes but even with AFP he could not tolerate it. I owul like to get him off the soy if possible. TIA Fran Melbourne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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