RE: Helen: was Re: Questions for those who travel to see Dr.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Sometimes I still have that body wide achy burning pain with stiffness that

would be known as fibromyalgia. When I started the Armour that did improve

or at least the stiffness did.

However, the pain with movement never went away. It hurts in my hips to

walk, bend, lie in certain positions. I have had frozen shoulder in my left

shoulder that lasted 2 years and even now movement is restricted. I have

had severe tennis elbow in both elbows and is now mainly in the left, but I

can't do much with the right arm or it flares up too. In the last two

months, my right shoulder is so painful, I find it hard to even wash my hair

or brush it, put stuff into the cabinet from the dishwasher, etc. It is so

debilitating since I am right handed and since I have the tennis elbow in my

left arm, I can't use that arm much either. Also both thumbs are extremely

painful.

X-rays have ruled out arthritis; I don't have rheumatoid arthritis either

according to blood tests.

I've had this pain for 12 years; it started when I had major surgery to

remove an adrenal gland that had a huge tumor.

It is exhausting, scary, and frustrating, not to mention bank account

draining, to go from dr. to dr, bodyworker to bodyworker, and be told there

is nothing else to do and maybe I need to see a psychiatrist so I can learn

to accept what is.

I have tried additional T4; it didn't do anything for anything.

I haven't given up yet, but I'm close.

Helen

Helen: was Re: Questions for those who

travel to see Dr.

Hi Helen,

I read your post with interest because we might be having the same type of

issue. Do you mind if I ask what kind of pain you are experiencing? I have

terrible, chronic, exhausting pain and I too was hoping that Armour would

help. I am also at my limit there but I have read where a small addition of

T4 has helped some people who have been struggling with pain.

I have asked for a copy of my blood tests from the office and may call them

to see what they think but I wanted to ask around/read up on it first. Can

anyone else address this or has anyone else seen a relief from pain with

some added T4? My Free T4 is 1.52 (range .73 to 1.95) and Free T3 too high

on 3 grains Armour.

It is frustrating so try to hang in there. There might not be a solution

for everyone with chronic pain but I have to keep exploring whatever avenues

I can.

>

> Thanks, Jan

>

> The only testing I've done for heavy metals is a very comprehensive

hair

> analysis test. It showed no heavy metals at all. Interestingly,

though, it

> showed severe adrenal exhaustion just like all the saliva tests

I've had do.

> Blood test shows normal cortisol,even though I only have one

adrenal gland.

>

> I do believe that blood levels aren't the whole story for me. I am

taking

> all the Armour and DHEA that Dr. R. allows. He won't prescribe

testosterone

> or cortisol since those blood levels are normal. So, probably, I'm

one of

> those that things won't ever be normal for.

>

> Course the big thing for me is pain. Unlike many people, my pain

didn't go

> away with Armour. Dr. R. had me do blood tests 7 weeks ago for free

> cortisol and other stuff, but he hasn't talked with me about it.

I've

> called several times but keeps saying he needs to talk to Dr.

R. I

> wonder how long it takes?

>

> Its all so frustrating, but I know I'm not alone!

>

> Helen

>

[Guest guest]

Lowe says that persistent fibromyalgia is usually associated with thyroid hormone resistance and requires supraphysiologic doses of T3 either temporarily or permanently.Helen wrote: Hi, Sometimes I still have that body wide achy burning pain with stiffness thatwould be known as fibromyalgia. When I started the Armour that did improveor at least the stiffness did. However, the pain with movement never went away. It hurts in my hips towalk, bend, lie in certain positions. I have had frozen shoulder in my leftshoulder that lasted 2 years and even now movement is restricted. I havehad severe tennis elbow in both elbows and is now mainly in the left, but Ican't do much with the right arm or it

flares up too. In the last twomonths, my right shoulder is so painful, I find it hard to even wash my hairor brush it, put stuff into the cabinet from the dishwasher, etc. It is sodebilitating since I am right handed and since I have the tennis elbow in myleft arm, I can't use that arm much either. Also both thumbs are extremelypainful.X-rays have ruled out arthritis; I don't have rheumatoid arthritis eitheraccording to blood tests.I've had this pain for 12 years; it started when I had major surgery toremove an adrenal gland that had a huge tumor.It is exhausting, scary, and frustrating, not to mention bank accountdraining, to go from dr. to dr, bodyworker to bodyworker, and be told thereis nothing else to do and maybe I need to see a psychiatrist so I can learnto accept what is.I have tried additional T4; it didn't do anything for anything.I haven't given up yet, but I'm close.

:(Helen-----Original Message-----From: Texas_Thyroid_Groups [mailto:Texas_Thyroid_Groups ] On Behalf Of rose_nancy8Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 5:45 PMTo: Texas_Thyroid_Groups Subject: Helen: was Re: Questions for those whotravel to see Dr. Hi Helen,I read your post with interest because we might be having the same type ofissue. Do you mind if I ask what kind of pain you are experiencing? I haveterrible, chronic, exhausting pain and I too was hoping that Armour wouldhelp. I am also at my limit there but I have read where a small addition ofT4 has helped some people who have been struggling with pain.I have asked for a copy of my blood tests from the office and may call themto see what they think but I wanted to ask around/read up on it first. Cananyone else address this or has anyone else seen a relief from

pain withsome added T4? My Free T4 is 1.52 (range .73 to 1.95) and Free T3 too highon 3 grains Armour.It is frustrating so try to hang in there. There might not be a solutionfor everyone with chronic pain but I have to keep exploring whatever avenuesI can.>> Thanks, Jan> > The only testing I've done for heavy metals is a very comprehensivehair> analysis test. It showed no heavy metals at all. Interestingly,though, it> showed severe adrenal exhaustion just like all the saliva testsI've had do.> Blood test shows normal cortisol,even though I only have oneadrenal gland.> > I do believe that blood levels aren't the whole story for me. I amtaking> all the Armour and DHEA that Dr. R. allows. He won't prescribetestosterone> or cortisol since those blood levels

are normal. So, probably, I'mone of> those that things won't ever be normal for.> > Course the big thing for me is pain. Unlike many people, my paindidn't go> away with Armour. Dr. R. had me do blood tests 7 weeks ago for free > cortisol and other stuff, but he hasn't talked with me about it.I've> called several times but keeps saying he needs to talk to Dr. R. I> wonder how long it takes?> > Its all so frustrating, but I know I'm not alone!> > Helen __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Yes, I've been to see him twice; actually have his 1200 page book and read it; Dr. read it too and consulted with him about me; I did take high doses of cytomel only and then Armour; neither made a difference, so I'm back to 3 1/2 gr. Armour.

When I talked to Dr. Lowe 6 weeks ago, he recommended that I try higher doses of Cortef or Isocort than I've tried before. (Dr. did prescribe Cortef for me at one time, but only at the 20 mg dose and it made no difference--we were both leary about taking more; I stopped taking it two years ago).

I did talk to today and I am doing another blood test for Dr. R. on Thursday. Maybe that will lead to a positive treatment.

From: Texas_Thyroid_Groups [mailto:Texas_Thyroid_Groups ] On Behalf Of Jan Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 8:21 PMTo: Texas_Thyroid_Groups Subject: RE: Helen: was Re: Questions for those who travel to see Dr.

Lowe says that persistent fibromyalgia is usually associated with thyroid hormone resistance and requires supraphysiologic doses of T3 either temporarily or permanently.Helen wrote: Hi, Sometimes I still have that body wide achy burning pain with stiffness thatwould be known as fibromyalgia. When I started the Armour that did improveor at least the stiffness did. However, the pain with movement never went away. It hurts in my hips towalk, bend, lie in certain positions. I have had frozen shoulder in my leftshoulder that lasted 2 years and even now movement is restricted. I havehad severe tennis elbow in both elbows and is now mainly in the left, but Ican't do much with the right arm or it flares up too. In the last twomonths, my right shoulder is so painful, I find it hard to even wash my hairor brush it, put stuff into the cabinet from the dishwasher, etc. It is sodebilitating since I am right handed and since I have the tennis elbow in myleft arm, I can't use that arm much either. Also both thumbs are extremelypainful.X-rays have ruled out arthritis; I don't have rheumatoid arthritis eitheraccording to blood tests.I've had this pain for 12 years; it started when I had major surgery toremove an adrenal gland that had a huge tumor.It is exhausting, scary, and frustrating, not to mention bank accountdraining, to go from dr. to dr, bodyworker to bodyworker, and be told thereis nothing else to do and maybe I need to see a psychiatrist so I can learnto accept what is.I have tried additional T4; it didn't do anything for anything.I haven't given up yet, but I'm close. :(Helen-----Original Message-----From: Texas_Thyroid_Groups [mailto:Texas_Thyroid_Groups ] On Behalf Of rose_nancy8Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 5:45 PMTo: Texas_Thyroid_Groups Subject: Helen: was Re: Questions for those whotravel to see Dr. Hi Helen,I read your post with interest because we might be having the same type ofissue. Do you mind if I ask what kind of pain you are experiencing? I haveterrible, chronic, exhausting pain and I too was hoping that Armour wouldhelp. I am also at my limit there but I have read where a small addition ofT4 has helped some people who have been struggling with pain.I have asked for a copy of my blood tests from the office and may call themto see what they think but I wanted to ask around/read up on it first. Cananyone else address this or has anyone else seen a relief from pain withsome added T4? My Free T4 is 1.52 (range .73 to 1.95) and Free T3 too highon 3 grains Armour.It is frustrating so try to hang in there. There might not be a solutionfor everyone with chronic pain but I have to keep exploring whatever avenuesI can.>> Thanks, Jan> > The only testing I've done for heavy metals is a very comprehensivehair> analysis test. It showed no heavy metals at all. Interestingly,though, it> showed severe adrenal exhaustion just like all the saliva testsI've had do.> Blood test shows normal cortisol,even though I only have oneadrenal gland.> > I do believe that blood levels aren't the whole story for me. I amtaking> all the Armour and DHEA that Dr. R. allows. He won't prescribetestosterone> or cortisol since those blood levels are normal. So, probably, I'mone of> those that things won't ever be normal for.> > Course the big thing for me is pain. Unlike many people, my paindidn't go> away with Armour. Dr. R. had me do blood tests 7 weeks ago for free > cortisol and other stuff, but he hasn't talked with me about it.I've> called several times but keeps saying he needs to talk to Dr. R. I> wonder how long it takes?> > Its all so frustrating, but I know I'm not alone!> > Helen

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I have had this problem too. With me it was low

potassium. My levels were not out of range, but on

the low side. I can definately tell when I haven't

taken my potassium. Maybe you can ask your doctor

about this?

Debbie

--- Helen wrote:

> Hi,

>

> Sometimes I still have that body wide achy burning

> pain with stiffness that

> would be known as fibromyalgia. When I started the

> Armour that did improve

> or at least the stiffness did.

>

> However, the pain with movement never went away. It

> hurts in my hips to

> walk, bend, lie in certain positions. I have had

> frozen shoulder in my left

> shoulder that lasted 2 years and even now movement

> is restricted. I have

> had severe tennis elbow in both elbows and is now

> mainly in the left, but I

> can't do much with the right arm or it flares up

> too. In the last two

> months, my right shoulder is so painful, I find it

> hard to even wash my hair

> or brush it, put stuff into the cabinet from the

> dishwasher, etc. It is so

> debilitating since I am right handed and since I

> have the tennis elbow in my

> left arm, I can't use that arm much either. Also

> both thumbs are extremely

> painful.

>

> X-rays have ruled out arthritis; I don't have

> rheumatoid arthritis either

> according to blood tests.

>

> I've had this pain for 12 years; it started when I

> had major surgery to

> remove an adrenal gland that had a huge tumor.

>

> It is exhausting, scary, and frustrating, not to

> mention bank account

> draining, to go from dr. to dr, bodyworker to

> bodyworker, and be told there

> is nothing else to do and maybe I need to see a

> psychiatrist so I can learn

> to accept what is.

>

> I have tried additional T4; it didn't do anything

> for anything.

>

> I haven't given up yet, but I'm close.

>

> Helen

>

> Helen: was Re:

> Questions for those who

> travel to see Dr.

>

> Hi Helen,

>

> I read your post with interest because we might be

> having the same type of

> issue. Do you mind if I ask what kind of pain you

> are experiencing? I have

> terrible, chronic, exhausting pain and I too was

> hoping that Armour would

> help. I am also at my limit there but I have read

> where a small addition of

> T4 has helped some people who have been struggling

> with pain.

>

> I have asked for a copy of my blood tests from the

> office and may call them

> to see what they think but I wanted to ask

> around/read up on it first. Can

> anyone else address this or has anyone else seen a

> relief from pain with

> some added T4? My Free T4 is 1.52 (range .73 to

> 1.95) and Free T3 too high

> on 3 grains Armour.

>

> It is frustrating so try to hang in there. There

> might not be a solution

> for everyone with chronic pain but I have to keep

> exploring whatever avenues

> I can.

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Thanks, Jan

> >

> > The only testing I've done for heavy metals is a

> very comprehensive

> hair

> > analysis test. It showed no heavy metals at all.

> Interestingly,

> though, it

> > showed severe adrenal exhaustion just like all the

> saliva tests

> I've had do.

> > Blood test shows normal cortisol,even though I

> only have one

> adrenal gland.

> >

> > I do believe that blood levels aren't the whole

> story for me. I am

> taking

> > all the Armour and DHEA that Dr. R. allows. He

> won't prescribe

> testosterone

> > or cortisol since those blood levels are normal.

> So, probably, I'm

> one of

> > those that things won't ever be normal for.

> >

> > Course the big thing for me is pain. Unlike many

> people, my pain

> didn't go

> > away with Armour. Dr. R. had me do blood tests 7

> weeks ago for free

> > cortisol and other stuff, but he hasn't talked

> with me about it.

> I've

> > called several times but keeps saying he

> needs to talk to Dr.

> R. I

> > wonder how long it takes?

> >

> > Its all so frustrating, but I know I'm not alone!

> >

> > Helen

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My blood levels are slightly above the middle; however, I had a hair

analysis done and that showed a low sodium level related to potassium. The

percentage is recommmended to be 2.5/1; mine was 1.33 or 53%. The report

said the principal cause of a low sodium/potassium ratio is adrenal gland

exhaustion; symptoms include joint pain, excessive tissue breakdown,

inability to recover from injury.

The report goes on to say that sodium levels are maintained in proper ratio

to potassium by an optimal secretion of the entire spectrum of adrenal

hormones.

They recommend B, C, E vitamins as well as copper, magnesium, manganese as

well as adrenal hormones. I'm taking all the supplements, as well as DHEA,

but no cortisol.

I know you didn't ask for all this information, but the role of

sodium/potassium in adrenal fatigue is very interesting.

Helen: was Re:

> Questions for those who

> travel to see Dr.

>

> Hi Helen,

>

> I read your post with interest because we might be having the same

> type of issue. Do you mind if I ask what kind of pain you are

> experiencing? I have terrible, chronic, exhausting pain and I too was

> hoping that Armour would help. I am also at my limit there but I have

> read where a small addition of

> T4 has helped some people who have been struggling with pain.

>

> I have asked for a copy of my blood tests from the office and may call

> them to see what they think but I wanted to ask around/read up on it

> first. Can anyone else address this or has anyone else seen a relief

> from pain with some added T4? My Free T4 is 1.52 (range .73 to

> 1.95) and Free T3 too high

> on 3 grains Armour.

>

> It is frustrating so try to hang in there. There might not be a

> solution for everyone with chronic pain but I have to keep exploring

> whatever avenues I can.

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Thanks, Jan

> >

> > The only testing I've done for heavy metals is a

> very comprehensive

> hair

> > analysis test. It showed no heavy metals at all.

> Interestingly,

> though, it

> > showed severe adrenal exhaustion just like all the

> saliva tests

> I've had do.

> > Blood test shows normal cortisol,even though I

> only have one

> adrenal gland.

> >

> > I do believe that blood levels aren't the whole

> story for me. I am

> taking

> > all the Armour and DHEA that Dr. R. allows. He

> won't prescribe

> testosterone

> > or cortisol since those blood levels are normal.

> So, probably, I'm

> one of

> > those that things won't ever be normal for.

> >

> > Course the big thing for me is pain. Unlike many

> people, my pain

> didn't go

> > away with Armour. Dr. R. had me do blood tests 7

> weeks ago for free

> > cortisol and other stuff, but he hasn't talked

> with me about it.

> I've

> > called several times but keeps saying he

> needs to talk to Dr.

> R. I

> > wonder how long it takes?

> >

> > Its all so frustrating, but I know I'm not alone!

> >

> > Helen

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Is it possible to get a hair analysis done without a doctor?

Marti

> My blood levels are slightly above the middle; however, I had a hair

> analysis done and that showed a low sodium level related to potassium.

[Guest guest]

I'm not sure; I've had two done; both had to be ordered by medical people,

not necessarily doctors. An accupuncturist ordered the first one; a

chiropractor the second one. This last one was far more comprehensive than

the first.

Re: Helen: was Re: Questions for those who

travel to see Dr.

Is it possible to get a hair analysis done without a doctor?

Marti

> My blood levels are slightly above the middle; however, I had a hair

> analysis done and that showed a low sodium level related to potassium.

[Guest guest]

What test differentiates psoriatic arthritis from rheumatoid? Blood tests

show no auto immune disease (not even hashi's) or rheumatoid arthritis. I

have known people who had PA, but I don't know how it was diagnosed.

Helen: was Re: Questions for those who

>travel to see Dr.

>

>Hi Helen,

>

>I read your post with interest because we might be having the same type

>of issue. Do you mind if I ask what kind of pain you are experiencing?

>I have terrible, chronic, exhausting pain and I too was hoping that

>Armour would help. I am also at my limit there but I have read where a

>small addition of

>T4 has helped some people who have been struggling with pain.

>

>I have asked for a copy of my blood tests from the office and may call

>them to see what they think but I wanted to ask around/read up on it

>first. Can anyone else address this or has anyone else seen a relief

>from pain with some added T4? My Free T4 is 1.52 (range .73 to 1.95)

>and Free T3 too high on 3 grains Armour.

>

>It is frustrating so try to hang in there. There might not be a

>solution for everyone with chronic pain but I have to keep exploring

>whatever avenues I can.

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Thanks, Jan

> >

> > The only testing I've done for heavy metals is a very comprehensive

>hair

> > analysis test. It showed no heavy metals at all. Interestingly,

>though, it

> > showed severe adrenal exhaustion just like all the saliva tests

>I've had do.

> > Blood test shows normal cortisol,even though I only have one

>adrenal gland.

> >

> > I do believe that blood levels aren't the whole story for me. I am

>taking

> > all the Armour and DHEA that Dr. R. allows. He won't prescribe

>testosterone

> > or cortisol since those blood levels are normal. So, probably, I'm

>one of

> > those that things won't ever be normal for.

> >

> > Course the big thing for me is pain. Unlike many people, my pain

>didn't go

> > away with Armour. Dr. R. had me do blood tests 7 weeks ago for free

> > cortisol and other stuff, but he hasn't talked with me about it.

>I've

> > called several times but keeps saying he needs to talk to Dr.

>R. I

> > wonder how long it takes?

> >

> > Its all so frustrating, but I know I'm not alone!

> >

> > Helen

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Symptoms and SED. It tends to be in the lower limbs. But it can affect

the fingers and wrists. I have swings were it affects my fingers and

wrists. It really affects my lower back and hips. I also have planter

facetious. And of course I have Hashi's.

Yesterday was a good day for my joints. We just added another med, it's

too early for it to have taken affect. Time will tell.

Kate

At 05:55 PM 12/4/2006, you wrote:

>What test differentiates psoriatic arthritis from rheumatoid? Blood tests

>show no auto immune disease (not even hashi's) or rheumatoid arthritis. I

>have known people who had PA, but I don't know how it was diagnosed.

>

> RE: Helen: was Re: Questions for those who

>travel to see Dr.

>

>Helen,

>

>There are other auto-immune arthritis forms. I have Psoriatic Arthritis.

>I'm in early stages with no current joint damage. You might see a different

>Rheumy. You need to catch it early to prevent joint damage and to get

>relief from pain. Although the pain relief part is a longer process.

>

>Kate

[Guest guest]

I have a form of arthritis called Reiter's Syndrome which mimics RA. The symptoms are joint pain, eye inflammation, bladder and bowel inflamation and psoriasis. I have never had the psoriasis but have all the other symptoms. It cannot be diagnosed with a test, but symptoms alone.

RE: Helen: was Re: Questions for those who>travel to see Dr. >>Helen,>>There are other auto-immune arthritis forms. I have Psoriatic Arthritis.>I'm in early stages with no current joint damage. You might see a different>Rheumy. You need to catch it early to prevent joint damage and to get>relief from pain. Although the pain relief part is a longer process.>>Kate