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Since a recent link mentioned raw milk I thought I'd post a few current

abstracts on the subject plus a few on BLV.

J Dairy Sci. 2004 Sep;87(9):2822-2830.

Prevalence of Salmonellae, Listeria monocytogenes, and Fecal Coliforms in

Bulk Tank Milk on US Dairies.

Van Kessel JS, Karns JS, Gorski L, McCluskey BJ, Perdue ML.

USDA-ARS, Beltsville, MD 20705.

The objective of this study was to determine the prevalence of Salmonella,

Listeria monocytogenes, and fecal coliforms in bulk tank milk in the United

States. As part of the NAHMS Dairy 2002 survey, 861 bulk tank milk samples

were collected from farms in 21 states. Milk was directly plated on

selective agars for direct bacterial enumeration and was enriched in

selective broths to increase detection sensitivity. Somatic cell counts

(SCC) and standard plate counts (SPC) were also determined. Coliforms were

detected in 95% (818 of 860) of the samples, and the average SCC was 295,000

cells/mL. Twenty-two samples (2.6%) were culture-positive for Salmonella,

and 9 serotypes were identified: Montevideo (n = 7), Newport (n = 4),

Muenster (n = 2), Meleagridis (n = 2), Cerro (n = 2), 44:Z36 (Z38) (n = 2),

Dublin (n = 1), Anatum (n = 1), and 9, 12:nonmo-tile (n = 1). Listeria

monocytogenes was isolated from 56 (6.5%) samples, and serotyping of these

isolates yielded 5 serotypes (1/2a, 1/2b, 3b, 4b, and 4c). Of the L.

monocytogenes isolates, 93% were serotypes 1/2a, 1/2b, and 4b, the most

common human clinical isolates. Regional differences in L. monocytogenes and

Salmonella prevalence were observed, but more studies are needed to

determine the validity of these differences. There were no apparent

relationships between SCC or SPC and incidence of Salmonella or L.

monocytogenes. Although the prevalence of L. monocytogenes and Salmonella

was low, these pathogens represent a potential risk to consumers of raw milk

and raw milk products.

PMID: 15375040 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

: Appl Environ Microbiol. 2004 Sep;70(9):5644-50. Related Articles, Links

Raw cow milk bacterial population shifts attributable to refrigeration.

Lafarge V, Ogier JC, Girard V, Maladen V, Leveau JY, Gruss A,

Delacroix-Buchet A.

Unite Composition et Hygiene des Produits Laitiers, Agence Francaise de

Securite Sanitaire des Aliments, 39-41 rue du 11 novembre 1918, 94700

Maisons Alfort, France. v.lafarge@...

We monitored the dynamic changes in the bacterial population in milk

associated with refrigeration. Direct analyses of DNA by using temporal

temperature gel electrophoresis (TTGE) and denaturing gradient gel

electrophoresis (DGGE) allowed us to make accurate species assignments for

bacteria with low-GC-content (low-GC%) (<55%) and medium- or high-GC% (>55%)

genomes, respectively. We examined raw milk samples before and after 24-h

conservation at 4 degrees C. Bacterial identification was facilitated by

comparison with an extensive bacterial reference database ( approximately

150 species) that we established with DNA fragments of pure bacterial

strains. Cloning and sequencing of fragments missing from the database were

used to achieve complete species identification. Considerable evolution of

bacterial populations occurred during conservation at 4 degrees C. TTGE and

DGGE are shown to be a powerful tool for identifying the main bacterial

species of the raw milk samples and for monitoring changes in bacterial

populations during conservation at 4 degrees C. The emergence of

psychrotrophic bacteria such as Listeria spp. or Aeromonas hydrophila is

demonstrated.

PMID: 15345453 [PubMed - in process]

Annu Rev Microbiol. 2004 Jun 2 [Epub ahead of print] Related Articles, Links

e's Disease, Inflammatory Bowel Disease, and Mycobacterium

paratuberculosis.

Chacon O, Bermudez LE, Barletta RG.

Department of Veterinary and Biomedical Sciences, University of Nebraska,

Lincoln, Lincoln, NE 68588; Seccion de Bacteriologia Corporacion para

Investigaciones Biologicas (CIB), Carrera, Medellin, Colombia

ochacon@..., Department of Biomedical Sciences, College of

Veterinary Medicine, Oregon State University, Corvallis, OR 97331

luiz.bermudez@..., Department of Veterinary and Biomedical

Sciences, University of Nebraska, Lincoln, Lincoln, NE 68588-0905

rbarletta@...

e's disease is a chronic diarrhea affecting all ruminants. Mycobacterium

avium subsp. paratuberculosis (MAP), a slow-growing mycobacteria, is the

etiologic agent. There is also a concern that MAP might be a causative agent

of some cases of inflammatory bowel disease in human beings, especially

Crohn's disease. Food products including pasteurized bovine milk have been

suggested as potential sources of human infection. This review addresses

microbial factors that may contribute to its pathogenicity. In addition, the

experimental evidence defining MAP as the cause of e's disease and, the

issues and controversies surrounding its potential pathogenic role in human

beings are discussed. Expected online publication date for the Annual Review

of Microbiology Volume 58 is September 8, 2004. Please see

http://www.annualreviews.org/catalog/pub_dates.asp for revised estimates.

PMID: 15355186 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

Prev Vet Med. 2003 Dec 12;61(4):249-62. Related Articles, Links

Association between bovine-leukosis virus seroprevalence and herd-level

productivity on US dairy farms.

Ott SL, R, Wells SJ.

USDA, Centers for Epidemiology and Animal Health, 2150 Centre Avenue,

Building B, Mail Stop 2E5, Fort , CO 80526-8117, USA.

stephen.l.ott@...

Bovine-leukosis virus (BLV; also termed 'bovine-leukemia virus') is a

retrovirus that primarily affects lymphoid tissue of dairy and beef cattle.

Our objective was to investigate the association between BLV infection and

annual value of production (AVP) on dairy herds within the United States, as

part of the USDA National Animal Health Monitoring System's 1996 dairy

study. 1006 herds (in 20 states) with at least 30 dairy cows were

interviewed during 1996. The agar-gel immunodiffusion test was used to

detect serum antibodies to BLV. 10-40 cows from each herd were tested and

each tested cow was classified as negative or positive based on results of a

single test. A multivariable regression model was used with the 976 herds

with complete data for analysis. When compared to herds with no

test-positive cows, herds with test-positive cows produced 218 kg per cow

(i.e. 3%) less milk. The average reduction in AVP was $59 per cow for

test-positive herds relative to test-negative herds. For the dairy industry

as a whole, BLV seropositivity was associated with loss to producers of $285

million and $240 million for consumers. Most of this $525 million industry

loss was due to reduced milk production in test-positive herds.

PMID: 14623410 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

AIDS Res Hum Retroviruses. 2003 Dec;19(12):1105-13.

Humans have antibodies reactive with Bovine leukemia virus.

Buehring GC, Philpott SM, Choi KY.

School of Public Health, University of California, Berkeley, California

94720, USA. buehring@...

Bovine leukemia virus (BLV) is an oncogenic retrovirus that commonly infects

cattle and causes B cell leukosis in 1-5% of infected cattle. BLV-infected

cells are present in marketed beef and dairy products. In the decade after

the discovery of BLV in 1969, studies using agar gel immunodiffusion and

complement fixation assays failed to find antibodies to BLV in human sera.

This led to the prevailing opinion that exposure of humans to BLV and/or the

potential for infection are not significant and therefore the virus is not a

public health hazard. We reexamined this issue using more sensitive

immunological techniques available today. Using immunoblotting to test the

sera of 257 humans for antibodies of four isotypes (IgG1, IgM, IgA, and

IgG4) to the BLV capsid antigen (p24), we detected at least one antibody

isotype reactive with BLV in 74% of the human sera tested. The specificity

of the reactivity was strongly suggested by competition studies and by

ruling out cross-reacting antibodies to other chronic human viruses. Our

results suggest that antibodies reactive with the BLV capsid antigen may

serve as a biomarker for exposure to BLV and this exposure may be

widespread. The results do not necessarily mean that humans are actually

infected with BLV; the antibodies could be a response to heat-denatured BLV

antigens consumed in food. They do, however, suggest that further studies in

this area could be important.

PMID: 14709247 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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Timely post Cheryl.

Another parent remarked to me yesterday that stool feme and cultures should

be a regular part of the protocol lab work, esp if irregular bowel

activity is present.

We have done at least 7 over the last few years, and three times have

discovered horrible bugs - Gardia, a parasite, Salmonella and only last week

E.Coli. Each time when regular bloodwork was done before we discovered these

infections, EOS were elevated.

It is worth doing these, especially if your child is not yet able to

articulate " tummy aches "

Ours is learning the concept ..holds his tummy and says " hard " now he says

" tummy ache " . The other day he patted his head and said " tummy ache " - so

now we can provide the correct language and a " Nurofen " (like Motrin) and he

feels better!

Raw milk

Since a recent link mentioned raw milk I thought I'd post a few current

abstracts on the subject plus a few on BLV.

J Dairy Sci. 2004 Sep;87(9):2822-2830.

Prevalence of Salmonellae, Listeria monocytogenes, and Fecal Coliforms in

Bulk Tank Milk on US Dairies.

Van Kessel JS, Karns JS, Gorski L, McCluskey BJ, Perdue ML.

USDA-ARS, Beltsville, MD 20705.

The objective of this study was to determine the prevalence of Salmonella,

Listeria monocytogenes, and fecal coliforms in bulk tank milk in the United

States. As part of the NAHMS Dairy 2002 survey, 861 bulk tank milk samples

were collected from farms in 21 states. Milk was directly plated on

selective agars for direct bacterial enumeration and was enriched in

selective broths to increase detection sensitivity. Somatic cell counts

(SCC) and standard plate counts (SPC) were also determined. Coliforms were

detected in 95% (818 of 860) of the samples, and the average SCC was 295,000

cells/mL. Twenty-two samples (2.6%) were culture-positive for Salmonella,

and 9 serotypes were identified: Montevideo (n = 7), Newport (n = 4),

Muenster (n = 2), Meleagridis (n = 2), Cerro (n = 2), 44:Z36 (Z38) (n = 2),

Dublin (n = 1), Anatum (n = 1), and 9, 12:nonmo-tile (n = 1). Listeria

monocytogenes was isolated from 56 (6.5%) samples, and serotyping of these

isolates yielded 5 serotypes (1/2a, 1/2b, 3b, 4b, and 4c). Of the L.

monocytogenes isolates, 93% were serotypes 1/2a, 1/2b, and 4b, the most

common human clinical isolates. Regional differences in L. monocytogenes and

Salmonella prevalence were observed, but more studies are needed to

determine the validity of these differences. There were no apparent

relationships between SCC or SPC and incidence of Salmonella or L.

monocytogenes. Although the prevalence of L. monocytogenes and Salmonella

was low, these pathogens represent a potential risk to consumers of raw milk

and raw milk products.

PMID: 15375040 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

: Appl Environ Microbiol. 2004 Sep;70(9):5644-50. Related Articles, Links

Raw cow milk bacterial population shifts attributable to refrigeration.

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, That totally depends on the state where you live. I can buy raw milk in Utah and Arizona and I bring it home straight from the dairy. It's completely legal if it has the disclaimer on it that says something about it may harbor dangerous organisms to health, blah, blah, blah. That does not faze me in the least. I have drunk raw milk for two and a half years now with no problems, and I have been sufficiently reformed that I cannot bring myself to buy any milk at the grocery story any more. Even organic. It has to be raw. Another raw dairy in California is very popular...called Organic Pastures. http://organicpastures.com/ They sell raw dairy products but when it is shipped across state lines, they label it only for veterinary use. This satisfies the law. They will tell you that, but we all know what we are

getting. They ship anywhere: Dairy Direct Ordering • Call 1-877-RAW MILK (1-877-729-6455) or E-Mail us at • orderdesk@... There is a campaign being waged by the folks at the Weston Price Foundation and the campaign is called "Real Milk". I've been donating to them for a couple years now, and they have experienced steady growth. Raw milk is in demand among health conscious people, and the government has no right to take away our access to those foods we desire. Where there is a will, there is a way, and there should be some activity in your state set up to ensure access to these foods. You can join some kind of co-op or other grass roots organization designed to help you get the products you need. Check out the Real Milk website at www.realmilk.com They have a page that lists where you can buy raw dairy products by state. http://www.realmilk.com/where1.html Luckily, raw milk freezes well. We buy a month's supply at a time, and thaw it as needed. The cheeses last fairly long, but of course, we go through that first. I know that our government thinks they are protecting us....however schizophrenic that may be. On the one hand, they go bezerk to try to protect us from natural foods claiming that they are unsafe, and yet they slide with faulty medical devices that not only harm but kill. Talk about straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel. Patty"jdebolt@..." <jdebolt@...> wrote: Its frustrating to say the least. I was looking into raw milk for my family, and found out that the dairy farmers get fined BIG TIME ($$$$$$) when trying to help families out. Raw milk is so much better for us, and then they go and pasturize/homogonize it....along with all the antibiotics that are given to the cows and they are mass fed unhealthy feed.... etc..... it makes it unhealthy for us...BUT legal. Apparently its ILLEGAL to give

away...sell....donate.....raw milk. Another control issue with the government and wanting us to be unhealthy. Sheeeesh! ~ married to DH Mark, and sharing the lives of nine busy children. <3 <3 Re: Autistic kids and vaccinations . .. Patty . . . From what Benson, the FDA's liason with the public on medical devices told me, the FDA isn't interested in protecting the public . . . They'd rather think of themselves as allowing the public the option of killing themselves by having inadequate knowledge . . . My words, not hers, but true nevertheless. Rogene

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I just checked the real milk site for Michigan and there are lots and lots of entries! You should be able to find something close...Here they are: Michigan Alto ( just east of Grand Rapids): Angelus Farms, 7798 Wingeier SE, Alto, MI 49302. Phone:(616) 868-7339, Email: dbgravel@... , Website: http://www.localharvest.org/listing.jsp?id=14079. Cow shares available, grassfed beef, pork, eggs. Ann Arbor: Zingerman's, (888) 636-8162, Cheeses on website. Raw milk cheeses shipped all over the US. Avoca: Bright Acres Farm, 4254 Fargo Rd. Avoca, MI 48006, www.BrightAcresFarm.com. Contact Hallquist (810) 324-2930 or @... . They are creating a small, organic family farm and barnyard for families to visit, located about 15 minutes west of Port Huron, off Hwy. I69. They have Jersey cows and Icelandic sheep, as well as goats and chickens. The livestock on the farm are pastured and raised without the use of antibiotics, hormones, or

chemicals. They currently have raw milk available via a farm co-op. They also have eggs for sale. Check out their website for the latest on our farm or to schedule a farm visit. Battle Creek: 22500 North Ave., Battle Creek, MI 49017. Phone (269) 962-5270, email: setstewart@... . Great tasting raw goat milk available through goat shares. They are not certified organic; however, they do not use antibiotics, hormones, or chemicals. Also, they have milk fed goat kids for sale. sville: Slezak Farms, and Slezak, 12123 Darby Rd., sville, MI, 48815, (616) 693-2577. http://www.slezakfarms.com, scottandjulie@... . Now offering milk delivery to west and central Michigan! Check our website for details. They have raw cow and goat milk shares available now, and other natural products. Their goats and cows are grass-fed as much as possible, grazing in the summer and eating hay from their pastures in the winter. Please see their website for more information. Halfway between Lansing and Grand Rapids, 4 miles south of I96 at the sville/Saranac exit. sville: Steve-N-Sons Grassfields Cheese, 14238 60th Avenue, sville, MI 49404,

(616)997-8251, grassfieldscheese@... , http://www.grassfieldscheese.com. For information about cow shares, please e-mail grassfieldscheese@... . They have raw milk through cow shares available, as well as an on-farm store where they sell farmstead, artisian, raw-milk cheeses which they make

from their own pastured cows; pastured meats; fresh eggs from free-range pastured chickens; and other seasonal products. Their products are free of antibiotics, hormones, steroids, and –cides. Please see their website for more information, http://www.grassfieldscheese.com. Croswell: Spring House Creamery, Inc., 131 E. Sanborn St., Bill Marshall, (810) 679-4910, email: wcd@... . Vat pasteurized (145 degrees/30 minutes), non-homogenized Organic Cow Milk and pasture-fed Goat Milk. They also have various cheeses made from both milks. Croton: Mike and (231)937-4581, wildwoodwholisticarts@... . Raise happy, healthy, pastured Saanen, Alpine, and Nubian goats. Not certified, but fed organic grain and good quality hay. Also have organic herbal products available. Located off M-82, 4 miles west of 31. Crystal Falls: Firstfruits Farm - Bob and Darlene ph.# (906) 542-3616 E-mail: bobanddarlene@... , website: http://firstfruitsoberhasli.homestead.com. Located in the U.P. - halfway between Iron Mountain and Crystal Falls. They raise Oberhasli Dairy Goats. These beautiful, rare Swiss dairy goats are known for their sweet milk and sweet temperament. Their animals are pastured, and fed high quality organic alfalfa hay. Their own grain mix includes oats, black oil sunflower seeds, kelp, etc. No anti-biotics or chemicals. Want to get started in dairy goats? Quality registered purebred goats available! Interested in raw milk? Goat Shares available! Dorr: and Linus Heibel, 2879 144th Ave. Dorr, Michigan 49323, Phone: (616) 896-8418 gorafarm@... . A Grade A Commercial Dairy for eight years, they now provide organic raw goat milk through a goat share program. They raise their own grain and hay for their animals. They have over 35 years of organic gardening experience and offer fresh strawberries and produce in season--including many old-fashioned heirloom vegetables rarely seen these days. Free-range eggs and turkeys (average 12-15 pounds, and so much nicer than those big birds). No hybrid or GMO on this farm. Fostoria: Oliver Farms, 815 W. Burnside Rd, Fostoria, MI 48435, (810) 793-7289, www.oliverfarms.com, email oliverfarmsdairy@... . They are a certified organic family owned and operated dairy farm in the northwest corner of Lapeer county. They offer a cow share program for obtaining raw milk, other products also available are a full line of soy free and grass fed beef, pork, and lamb (when available). Chicken and eggs from local growers. A full line of raw cow's milk cheeses which include cheddar, colby, colby jack, monterey jack, pepper jack, gouda, garden blend, and garlic n herb. Gladwin: Sage Hill Farm, 2750 N. Hoover Ave., Gladwin, MI 48624. Call (989) 426-1044 or email SageHill@... . Shares available for their natural, raw Nubian goat milk... no goaty flavor, guaranteed delicious! A bio-diversified small farm, Sage Hill raises its own pastured eggs, meat chickens, meat rabbits, and heritage turkeys and geese. Goatmilk-raised lamb, pork and veal/beef may also be available depending on supply. While Sage Hill is not certified organic, all meat animals are grown organically and are free of hormones, antibiotics, vaccines, steroids and other chemicals. Animals are supplemented with kelp, flaxseed and nutritional yeasts, and rotationally pasture-grazed except in winter. NO soy products, GMO or otherwise, are fed. Visitors welcome by appointment. Hart: Good Life Dairy, LLC, 4520 E. Filmore, Hart, MI 49420, Andy & Dennise , (231) 873-3737, email: adwright@... . They have both goat and cow shares available. Their milk animals are given tender loving care by their family on their farm outside of Hart, MI. They are organically raised and cared for. No antibiotics, no growth hormones, no pasteurization, no homogenization, no chemicals. Just clean, pure, fresh milk. They are pastured from April to November and fed nutritious hay in winter. They receive minimal amounts of certified organic grains. They also have other organic, pastured meat and poultry products. Hastings: MooVille Quality Creamery, 5875 S. M-66, Nashville, MI 49073. www.moo-ville.com . They have creamline milk, ice cream and fresh cheeses. : Organic Creamery,

Harley and , thomasorganiccreamery.com , (989) 661-2354. They have a closed herd of Jersey cows that are free- range, grass fed, GMO-free, and soy free. Certified organic farm and milk - no pesticides, herbicides, antibiotics or synthetic growth hormones. Licensed bottling facility. They produce "creamline" milk, non- homogenized and vat pasteurized with the least amount of heat allowable. They bottle the milk in small batches right on the farm after their morning milking, delivering to stores the following day. Currently carried in stores all around mid- Michigan. Please visit their website for store locations or call if you would like to visit the farm. Kalamazoo Area; CloverDale Farms, & Trica Bartholomew 11375 South 37th St. s MI. 49088 (269)626-0030 tbartathome@... . CloverDale is a small family owned, pasture based operation producing 100% grassfed beef, eggs from their free range pasture fed chickens, and pork from hogs raised in the fresh outdoors. A few Raw goat milk shares are also available. The livestock on their farm are raised without the use of antibiotics, hormones, or chemicals. Kaleva: Halpin Highlands Farm, Kaleva, MI (231) 362-2450, halpinhighlands@... Kalkaska: Shetler Family Dairy, and Sally Shetler, 5436 Tyler Rd. SE, Kalkaska, MI 49646, (231) 258 - 8216, email: milkman@... , http://www.shetlermilk.com . Non-hemogenized, hormone- and antibiotic-free milk. Lapeer-Oakland County: Panting Deer Acres, 861 Old Sorrel Dr., Lapeer, (810) 664-1426, barbsells@... . They offer goat share's to provide your family with high quality raw goat's milk. They have free range eggs. Pastured whole chickens, Free Range goat's meat, lamb, organic herbs and grains. They will be offering Certified Organic Beef for sale at the farm, they are in the process of applying for a retail license. They are also in the process of applying for organic certification. They use natural practices on their farm. Millington: Goat Gate Farm, and Thresa Schumitsch, 10210 Willard RD, Millington Mi 48746, Phone: (989)871-2971, email: schumit3@... . Raw milk goat shares available,

goat milk soap, and goat meat. They are not certified organic, but the goats are feed organic grains. They are pastured and given quality hay all year. They don't use any hormones or antibiotics unless live-threatening, and then the milk is not used. Come out and see all the friendly goats. They are between Otisville and Millington just off of M15 on Willard Rd. North Branch: Hicks Dairy Organic Certified since 1997. Their cows are pasture fed, no chemicals or hormones. They have heritage cows, Dutch Belted. They also have some Jerseys and Holsteins mixed, their bull is Dutch belted. They have cow shares and vegetable shares. They have over 45 different vegetables and fruit, plus some herbs. They also have beef. Know the difference between raw milk and organic raw milk. They also sell organic minerals, sea salt, live earth, kelp and fossil shell flour(Diatromious Earth) good for your animals and garden. Contact us at Hicksdairyfarm@... or Hicks at (810) 523-3771. Raw milk is the only real milk! Onondaga (25 min south of Lansing): Flying Horse Farm, and Zenker, 5833 W. Baseline Rd. Onondaga, Mi 49264, (517)628-3718, email: flyinghorsefarm@... . They milk nubians and alpines, they have available shares of their

herd, for people looking for a way to enjoy raw milk. They are not organic, but they do pasture their goats, they also get hay and grain to keep them producing well. Their goal is to provide milk all year long, that's why the shares are herd shares not shares of just one goat. They also have some young meat goats, and they will have some honey in the fall. Ontonagon (Upper Peninsula): Family loved dairy goats and jersey cows. Shares available. Very small herd. lundfam@... s (Kalamazoo Area): Step-N-Tyme Farm,Carmen Bartholomew-owner,(269)626-0105, scbartholomew@... ,Step-N-TymeFarm.com. Raw milk cow share program from quality pasture grazed cows. Pasture grazed beef, buffalo, pig, chickens, turkeys and eggs are also available. No hormones, antibiotics or -cides used with any animal on our farm. They also sell meat rabbits. Shelby: Peyton Family, Psalms Songs Dairy Goats, 6655 Fish Rd. Shelby, MI 49455. Phone (231) 861-0456. A bit of heaven just east of Silver Lake, where the Peyton Family's dairy goats produce their most delicious milk, yogurt and cheese for you, through the goat share program! They also offer fresh eggs, handmade soothing natural soaps, maple syrup, meat

goats, mulch and manure for your garden (you dig), and other farm products in harmony with the seasons. Seven miles east of Silver Lake, and halfway between Muskegon and Ludington, they are handy to find right on the blacktop. Give them a call and schedule a time to go on over! St. 's: Our Farm and Dairy ("Where Our Farm is Your Farm, Too") , and Patti Warnke and family, 4633 N. Essex Center Rd., St. s MI 48879, Phone: 989-224-7353, Email: jljpw@... , www.ourfarmanddairy.com. They have raw milk available through a cow herd share program. They practice organic methods and are currently

in transition to being certified organic. Owners' milk is rountinely tested on-site and off-site at a certified milk lab. Standish: Hill High Dairy, 2366 S. M-76 , Joe & Golimbieski, 1-888-383-9859, borganic@... . They are a small family farm which has certified organic raw milk through a cow share program. Zeeland: Country Winds Farm, & Windemuller, 4711 64th Ave. Zeeland, Michigan 49464, Phone (616) 875-8732, E-mail john270@... . They raise purebred Alpine and Nubian dairy goats and sell goat shares to provide you with raw milk and cream. They also raise our own hay and pasture them 7-24 in the warm months. They raise grass fed chickens for egg production. They also have goat meat available. They are located between Hudsonville and Zeeland about 20 minutes from Grand Rapids. "jdebolt@..." <jdebolt@...> wrote: Yeah, I am in Michigan and we checked while in Ohio. Sad, b/c I live right across the street from two dairy farms. ~ married to DH Mark, and sharing the lives of nine busy children. <3 <3 Re: Autistic kids and vaccinations . .. Patty . . . From what Benson, the FDA's liason with the public on medical devices told me, the FDA isn't interested in protecting the public . . . They'd rather think of

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Yeah, I am in Michigan and we checked while in Ohio. Sad, b/c I live right across the street from two dairy farms.

~ married to DH Mark, and sharing the lives of nine busy children. <3 <3

Re: Autistic kids and vaccinations . .. Patty

. . .

From what Benson, the FDA's liason with the public on medical devices told me, the FDA isn't interested in protecting the public . . . They'd rather think of themselves as allowing the public the option of killing themselves by having inadequate knowledge . . .

My words, not hers, but true nevertheless.

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wow, thanks so much. I am checking into some cow shares. Never heard of that before. Definately a great link though, thanks!

hugs,

julie

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Re: Autistic kids and vaccinations . .. Patty

. . .

From what Benson, the FDA's liason with the public on medical devices told me, the FDA isn't interested in protecting the public . . . They'd rather think of themselves as allowing the public the option of killing themselves by having inadequate knowledge . . .

My words, not hers, but true nevertheless.

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