Re: work on god - : de Mello Follow-Up

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> Thanks Andy, I'm *thinking* about it...

Hey ...

You wrote, " I just don't see the point in all the unhappiness I see

around me including within myself. Turmoil, hate, the ego... " Why,

God??? " Don't get it! "

Several folks have posted the words of de Mello here. I too

find his words touching and sagacious. The following, taken

from " Awareness: The Perils and Opportunities of Reality " may help

with your question above. It is the concluding paragraph of the

chapter entitled " All's Right With the World " :

" There is no explanation you can give that would explain away all

the suffering and evil and torture and destruction and hunger in the

world! You will never explain it. You can gamely try with your

formulas, religious and otherwise, but you'll never explain it.

Because life is a mystery, which means your thinking mind cannot

make sense out of it. For that you've got to wake up an then you'll

suddenly realize that reality is not problematic, you are the

problem. "

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Hi Andy,

><<...you've got to wake up and then you'll

suddenly realize that reality is not problematic, you are the problem. " >>

BINGO!!! Thank you so much for passing on all that you have, I

appreciate your caringness (is this a word?), as I perceive it. I

have enjoyed what you have shared directly with me and all the rest

on this board. I am the problem. Is it true? My thinking is the

problem.

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>> Thanks Andy, I'm *thinking* about it...

>

>

>Hey ...

>

>You wrote, " I just don't see the point in all the unhappiness I see

>around me including within myself. Turmoil, hate, the ego... " Why,

>God??? " Don't get it! "

>

>Several folks have posted the words of de Mello here. I too

>find his words touching and sagacious. The following, taken

>from " Awareness: The Perils and Opportunities of Reality " may help

>with your question above. It is the concluding paragraph of the

>chapter entitled " All's Right With the World " :

>

> " There is no explanation you can give that would explain away all

>the suffering and evil and torture and destruction and hunger in the

>world! You will never explain it. You can gamely try with your

>formulas, religious and otherwise, but you'll never explain it.

>Because life is a mystery, which means your thinking mind cannot

>make sense out of it. For that you've got to wake up and then you'll

>suddenly realize that reality is not problematic, you are the

>problem. "

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Hi Andy,

> >...you've got to wake up and then you'll suddenly realize that

> > reality is not problematic, you are the problem. "

> BINGO!!! Thank you so much for passing on all that you have, I

> appreciate your caringness (is this a word?), as I perceive it. I

> have enjoyed what you have shared directly with me and all the rest

> on this board. I am the problem. Is it true? My thinking is the

> problem.

Hey ~

You know, so much of people's interrelating hangs on language and the

meaning that we ascribe to words. The words we think contribute

deeply to the reality we perceive. (Which is why silent meditation

is often useful in 'clearing out the cobwebs of confusion.') For

most of us, some words are " loaded, " carrying tons of meaning (either

pleasant or unpleasant). I love de Mello's insights, but I find

myself resonating more with 's terminology. From where I sit,

they are saying (essentially) the same thing, just using different

words.

" Problem " (as in " I am the problem " ), in Andy's ears " sounds " like

blame or finger-pointing. I recognize that this is a personal

overlay, but it is what is so for me right now. So, I prefer 's

language and her method of expression: there are no problems, just

misunderstandings arising from confusion which is created in

innocence (we simply didn't know any better at the time certain

conclusions were drawn). For me, it is a kinder, gentler way of

saying exactly what de Mello is saying. And yet, there is a very

real resonance with both of them; and de Mello's tales really crack

me up! He is quite the raconteur. They are just two of the dozen or

so other 'teachers,' all of whom contributed to my being what I is at

this moment; such folks as J.D. Krishnamurti, Tony Parsons, Charlotte

Beck, Joan Tollifson, Toni Packer.