Re: Sleepy in the afternoon

[Guest guest]

You need to be working with a doc who knows what he is doing.

Have you had your sex hormones tested? Sex hormones are very often involved in

your sleep cycle, especially estrogen.

Also, be aware that hypothyroidism causes tissue damage, which can take up to

two years to heal after you are on your optimal dose of Armour.

vickyhebbe wrote:

I have a question for anyone to answer. i'm taking 4 grains a day. 3

wheb I wake up at 6:30am and then 1 at 2:30. But I'm sleepy at 11 and

on. I've been taking the armour since May 12th. Have only lost 5

pounds.So Iwas wondering maybe I need something else. My last saliva

test in Nov. showed that my cortisol was high at noon early evening at

at bedtime. Which is at 9:00pm. I get so confused reading all these

emails from 3 different groups. Sometimes I think I need iron, then

hydrocotisone, or isacort... I don't know. I didn't have any problem

raising to 4 grains, so Im lost as to what to do. Mainly I'm still

tired in the morning and get sleepy during the day, but at night I

become wide awake. And the most important thing to me is my weight. I

need only to loose about 15 pounds. So pllease some one tell me what I

need to take.

Vicky

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[Guest guest]

First, if you've lost 5 pounds since May 12th, I don't think you have

anything to worry about in the weight loss department. That's about a pound

a week, a good rate. I'd like to have lost that much myself.

Five weeks or so is not much time to evaluate a thyroid dose. Do you have

some recent lab values to post, with ranges? Thyroid, ferritin, cortisol? Do

you take any medications or supplements other than Armour?

No one here is going to TELL you what to take. If you post some lab results

and symptoms, you may get some suggestions as to what you might discuss with

your doctor about other things to try. But there are no doctors on the list

to prescribe for us.

>

> I have a question for anyone to answer. i'm taking 4 grains a day. 3

> wheb I wake up at 6:30am and then 1 at 2:30. But I'm sleepy at 11 and

> on. I've been taking the armour since May 12th. Have only lost 5

> pounds.So Iwas wondering maybe I need something else. My last saliva

> test in Nov. showed that my cortisol was high at noon early evening at

> at bedtime. Which is at 9:00pm. I get so confused reading all these

> emails from 3 different groups. Sometimes I think I need iron, then

> hydrocotisone, or isacort... I don't know. I didn't have any problem

> raising to 4 grains, so Im lost as to what to do. Mainly I'm still

> tired in the morning and get sleepy during the day, but at night I

> become wide awake. And the most important thing to me is my weight. I

> need only to loose about 15 pounds. So pllease some one tell me what I

> need to take.

>

>

> Vicky

>

>

[Guest guest]

Vicky,

You are very lucky to have lost 5 pounds in that short of a time. I have

been on Armour for a year now and have not lost or gained anything. I do need

to lose 15-25 pounds. My doctor said 15. I say 25.

I do have trouble with Armour increases. I am only on 90mg after a year.

I suffer heart palpitations,etc with each increase, so therefore we are going

very slow with increases. I am on DHEA for adrenal support. My DHEA and

testosterone levels were very low. My progesterone is low and estrogen is high.

I used to have to take a nap every single day before being diagnosed with

Hashi's. I could not sleep at night or stay asleep. I sleep much better now,

wake up more rested and do not need a nap during the day.

I would tell your doctor what is going on.

Deborah

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[Guest guest]

Hey Deborah, where at in Ft.Worth do you live? I live in Alvarado and work in

Burleson.

" Deborah in FW, TX " wrote: Vicky,

You are very lucky to have lost 5 pounds in that short of a time. I have been on

Armour for a year now and have not lost or gained anything. I do need to lose

15-25 pounds. My doctor said 15. I say 25.

I do have trouble with Armour increases. I am only on 90mg after a year. I

suffer heart palpitations,etc with each increase, so therefore we are going very

slow with increases. I am on DHEA for adrenal support. My DHEA and testosterone

levels were very low. My progesterone is low and estrogen is high.

I used to have to take a nap every single day before being diagnosed with

Hashi's. I could not sleep at night or stay asleep. I sleep much better now,

wake up more rested and do not need a nap during the day.

I would tell your doctor what is going on.

Deborah

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[Guest guest]

Vicky,

I live in Haltom City! Not too far from you!!!

What doctor do you go to?

Deborah

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[Guest guest]

I just sta rted on Armour. I am sleep most all the time I am hoping the Armour

is going to help. Most of the time I sleep ok but willstill wake up tired. My

energy level is very bad.

P

Re: Sleepy in the afternoon

Hey Deborah, where at in Ft.Worth do you live? I live in Alvarado and work in

Burleson.

" Deborah in FW, TX " wrote: Vicky,

You are very lucky to have lost 5 pounds in that short of a time. I have been

on Armour for a year now and have not lost or gained anything. I do need to lose

15-25 pounds. My doctor said 15. I say 25.

I do have trouble with Armour increases. I am only on 90mg after a year. I

suffer heart palpitations,etc with each increase, so therefore we are going very

slow with increases. I am on DHEA for adrenal support. My DHEA and testosterone

levels were very low. My progesterone is low and estrogen is high.

I used to have to take a nap every single day before being diagnosed with

Hashi's. I could not sleep at night or stay asleep. I sleep much better now,

wake up more rested and do not need a nap during the day.

I would tell your doctor what is going on.

Deborah

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I went to Dr. Castro, he's on the corner of Rosedale and 8th St. I won't go

back. Who do you go to? I would like to get my levels checked again plus ask for

ferritin to be checked. I was getting Bio Identical progestrone and Dhea from

my family dr. But she wanted me to come back in and be re-tested before going on

with my Rx " s. And my insurance is 500.00 deductable so I have to pay full price

for the saliva test, which is 240.00. So I thought that I would just go buy the

progestrone and instead of getting DHEA I got 7-keto from the health food

store.So I take 40mgs of progestrone a day, 50 mgs of the 7-keto a day. Plus the

4 grains of Armour. I was thinking that maybe I need some iron. Hey if your in

the market for a Ford come down to County LIne Ford. I'm the receptionist here.

Vicky

" Deborah in FW, TX " wrote:

Vicky,

I live in Haltom City! Not too far from you!!!

What doctor do you go to?

Deborah

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Vicky,

I go to Sullivan in Las Calinas. I am on bio-identical

Progesterone and DHEA. They have a compounding pharmacy at Tiena Health where

his office is located. is a P.A. He deals with peri-menopause,

menopause and thyroid issues. He is very thorough. I did not get a saliva

test. My blood work showed DHEA and testosterone deficiency.

Deborah

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[Guest guest]

Did Dr. Castro prescribe Armour for you? Why will you not go back?

Vicky Hebbe wrote: I went to Dr. Castro, he's on

the corner of Rosedale and 8th St. I won't go back. Who do you go to? I would

like to get my levels checked again plus ask for ferritin to be checked. I was

getting Bio Identical progestrone and Dhea from my family dr. But she wanted me

to come back in and be re-tested before going on with my Rx " s. And my insurance

is 500.00 deductable so I have to pay full price for the saliva test, which is

240.00. So I thought that I would just go buy the progestrone and instead of

getting DHEA I got 7-keto from the health food store.So I take 40mgs of

progestrone a day, 50 mgs of the 7-keto a day. Plus the 4 grains of Armour. I

was thinking that maybe I need some iron. Hey if your in the market for a Ford

come down to County LIne Ford. I'm the receptionist here.

Vicky

" Deborah in FW, TX " wrote:

Vicky,

I live in Haltom City! Not too far from you!!!

What doctor do you go to?

Deborah

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[Guest guest]

Courtenay -

Did you perhaps mean " topped out " or " maxxed out " instead

of " bottomed out " concerning your levels? I was confused.

I wondered if you do any computer work, watch tv, read under a

strong light, or do work at night where many lights are on. I was

thinking that perhaps you are perpetuating your reversed schedule by

getting more active late at night, and therefore, reinforcing the

reversal. My DH told me that he read where working on the computer

late into the evening can keep you awake for several hours after you

shut down, since the light, which source is very close to your eyes,

keeps hitting the rods in your eyes and your body thinks it's still

daytime. DH is helping remind me to quit computer work, cleaning up

the kitchen, doing chores, etc. at 9pm, and we start to lower the

lights and settle in for the evening. I've stopped taking the laptop

to bed, and now just occasionally read a book for awhile under my

book light, which is much less bright. I've worked my way back to

falling asleep at midnight to 1am. Occasionally I'm up later, but

far less than before. I still don't get up until around 10am, but

I'm getting more solid sleep, and so I don't feel tired during the

day. I do try to rest between daytime activities, just to try to

store up energy, but am able to handle a lot more than a few months

ago.

That's great that you are making headway. I know how frustrating the

reversed clock is......sara

>

> Sometimes sleep issues can still persist when you're

> doing everything " right " if your adrenals are not

> functioning normally. I, too, have the sleepy during

> the day, awake at night issue. My last appointment

> with my doctor was spent mostly on discussing my sleep

> problems, even though my levels-- DHEA, thyroid, and

> iron --have bottomed out.

>

> For sixteen months, I have not been able to go to bed

> before four a.m. This has caused heinous problems in

> all quarters of my life. Even though I get eight or

> more hours of sleep per day, I know that my body does

> not like this reversed sleep schedule. It is most

> certainly hindering the healing process.

>

> Most of the time, I am groggy all day until seven or

> so in the evening.

>

> My doctor set up a new protocol for me, including 1.5

> mg compounded melatonin, the body's natural sleep

> hormone through Women's Int'l Pharmacy. You may want

> to discuss a similar option with your physician.

> Although I am still not on a normal sleep schedule, I

> am now at least going to sleep by 2:30 a.m. I

> consider this a minor victory.

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Sara!

It's great to hear from you! I'm so glad you are

doing better-- that is truly good news.

When I said bottomed out, I meant my levels actually

dropped significantly in a bad way. My husband and I

had something catastrophic happen two months ago, and

the stress really did a number on my thyroid levels,

my DHEA, and my iron. My levels are ostensibly back

where they were a year ago.

I know have known about the light thing for quite some

time now, over a year. It's supposed to disrupt your

circadian rhythm, a concept I understand in theory

only. I've gone through phases where I've shut down

all the lights and turned everything off, and I've

gone through phases where I've been cavalier about

computer use, etc., after midnight, especially if I am

trying to catch up from what I missed over the day.

Adding to my sleep problem is my spouse's weird work

schedule for the last three months. He was a

subcontractor for the renovation of the Tower of the

Americas. Hence, he came in from work anywhere from

eight p.m. to four a.m. in the morning... which woke

up the dogs, who then woke up me.

I need to be more strict about the light/sleep issues.

One of the things I haven't done for years, which

sort of helps, is that I don't read anything " heavy "

in bed. I try to keep my reading limited to comic

strip books and short humorous essays, usually

something I've read a billion times.

Thanks for the hot tip. I will try to be more

vigilant. It would be lovely to be up by 10 a.m.

Best--

Courtenay.

--- rgrprop wrote:

> Courtenay -

.. I still don't get up until

> around 10am, but

> I'm getting more solid sleep, and so I don't feel

> tired during the

> day. I do try to rest between daytime activities,

> just to try to

> store up energy, but am able to handle a lot more

> than a few months

> ago.

>

> That's great that you are making headway. I know how

> frustrating the

> reversed clock is......sara

>