Re: Re: jeremy's work on depression/ANDY

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In a message dated 12/17/2003 12:34:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,

endofthedream@... writes:

> *****Your main " problem " (I hesitate to use that word), is the

> underlying belief that you shouldn't be having this state-of-mind (is

> it really helpful to label it " depression " ? ... such naming tends to

> hook one into a particular identity, often reinforcing the undesired

> state-of-mind).

>

this is a good point, andy. i can see how " depression " carries with it

shame of being " depressed " .

> If acceptance of the state-of-being (WHATEVER it is ~ however

> horrific the mind says such a state must be), happens, then there is

> no " problem " ... there is just the state-of-being, as it is. You

> mention that it is PAINFUL. Nothing written above is meant to

> equate " acceptance " with non-action; please don't interpret it that

> way. Genuinely accepting what is, the 'edge' may be taken off the

> emotion, thus allowing the most effective action (the Work,

> psychotheraphy, even pharmacology if warranted) to happen.

>

> yes, i must admit that im hoping the work will be the therapy that will

> be effective for me. and it's true...with the edge taken off i can approach

> the work a bit more clearly. the work can be very difficult in a state of

> intense pain and/or confusion (for me), and that's when it's most needed!

> Also, you may want to consider that depression is often diffuse

> anger. What are you angry at, ?

ahhh, you've tapped a real grey area here. i've never been too good

at being honestly angry. admitting anger in a real-life situation is very hard

for me, and im sure i've suppressed plenty of rage. i've always been the

" peace-keeper " among my friends and family.

this is a really good question, and id like to think about it. it's

definately a part of myself that's been shoved down somewhere. thank you andy.

jeremy

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In a message dated 12/17/2003 5:15:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,

endofthedream@... writes:

> First, consistently makes a point that success with The Work is

> not that frequent if one is inquiring with a *motive* (as in " I want

> to get rid of this " or " I want to 'fix' this " ).

yes, im learning this. im stubborn, though! ive been flying on autopilot

for a long time, and this " simply for the love of truth " angle is new for

me...but im very carefully learning to trust it (truth).

i think youre great, andy--thank you for your advice and insights!

love,

jeremy