Re: First follow-up with Dr. R. this week

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You can expect him to go over the tests with you and give you written prescriptions for Armour and tell you about the compounded hormones that he will call in to Womens International Pharmacy for you. carol77096 wrote: I have my first follow-up after my tests Wed. at 1:00. What can I expect? I've just been hanging on waiting for this...Thanks,Carol

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Carol - Dr. R spent a lot of time on my follow up visit going over

the tests and explaining them in detail, as well as explaining why I

felt so bad and what had happened to my body over time. This is when

I was so glad that I had a doc with a deep background in

biochemistry. (My DH, who got his degree in gerontology, told me

that most docs don't get a lot of biochemistry in med school. I

don't know any details about that, but it wasn't good to hear.) This

is where you, or your DH, if he's going along, should ask all the

questions you want. I relied on my DH a great deal to listen and

take notes, since I was so weak, could barely sit up the chair, and

had a lot of brain fog. Dr. R will take however long it takes to

explain your situation and what your regimen will be. My DH and I

were very curious about how things worked and the doc was amazing

and even drew molecular structures to show what is suuposed to go on

with your body on a micro level. Most docs just spend 10-15 mins

telling you what to do and not why. Dr. R talks to you like an

equal, and gives you whatever level of detail you want. So be sure

your DH is taking notes. You will get a meds schedule sheet, so

you'll know what to take when. And be sure to get a copy of your

labs and his labs summary sheet. This shows your lab results for

each visit in one column, and it's good to have as a reference over

time to see how you progress. I also made sure I had a copy of my

basal body temps recording sheet.

You might also get some literature on DHEA, the Broda diet,

or other topics, depending on your results and regimen. Not everyone

is alike.

Don't worry about trying to remember and make note of every little

thing. If you get home and have questions, you can always call and

talk to or leave word to have him call you.

Have a good trip - you're on your way to feeling better!...Sara

>

> I have my first follow-up after my tests Wed. at 1:00. What can I

> expect?

>

> I've just been hanging on waiting for this...

>

> Thanks,

> Carol

>

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I hear you, Carol. I know the trip will tire you out, but you'll be

back home before you know it, and you will start healing. I've had

the ringing in the ears (tinnitis) for a long time, exacerbated by

taking anti-depressants for sleep, which can also cause that. My

tinnitis gets worse, the more worn out and stressed I feel. Many

folks on this board have had a slew of peripheral side effects and

conditions that have gone away, or gotten much better, as they have

healed and gotten closer to meds optimization. I had a lot of arm,

feet and general body pain until I started on my Armour, and it was

all gone in a few weeks. Couldn't believe it.

Just to let you know how things might get better, I just got back

last week from 10 days in Kansas, attending my 40th high school

reunion and visiting my aunt and other friends. (I know Dr. R's

staff might not be too pleased about it, but I had to go and felt

like it.) The spiritual benefits from seeing family and friends were

immense. I did really well, had a blast, and, so far, have not

crashed back at home. (Only problem has been a sore throat I got

from a classmate who was handing out generous hugs - wouldn't you

know it, he's an endo!!! Too ironic.) Drove, partied, hosted a

party, talked until the wee hours, stood on my feet for hours

talking, over a 4 day period. I did try to rest a lot when I could.

I never thought I could pull this off so soon (and may yet pay for

it), but there was no way I was missing this event. DH and I are

dancing little jigs at my new level of stamina. Things will get

better for you, I know it. You are not crazy! So many of us have

thought that....sg

>

>

> Thanks, Sara and Jan,

>

> I'm a little anxious I guess, but so ready too.

>

> I'm all brain fogged up and have been having lots of trouble with

my

> ears with tickling feelings, popping and ringing (really loud). It

> seems to be wearing on me quite a bit. Having trouble putting

words

> together, worse than usual. Not doing much of anything except

eating

> and sleeping.

>

> Not looking forward to the trip, as we're doing it all in one day

and,

> yes, DH is going, I can't even get myself to the grocery store,

much

> less to Lubbock and back. I'm looking forward to when I can go by

> myself. Also looking forward to finding out how physically messed

up I

> am so I won't feel as crazy any more!

>

> Thanks,

>

> Carol

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Sara,

It is inspiring to know I may get better one day.

I have always had tinnitus to some degree, but bearable, nothing

like this before.

Funny, my 40th Reunion is next summer. It's my goal to be better in

all ways by then. I wouldn't miss it for the world.

Well, my family might say I was a little crazy before all

this...we'll see.

Thanks,

Carol

> >

> >

> > Thanks, Sara and Jan,

> >

> > I'm a little anxious I guess, but so ready too.

> >

> > I'm all brain fogged up and have been having lots of trouble

with

> my

> > ears with tickling feelings, popping and ringing (really loud).

It

> > seems to be wearing on me quite a bit. Having trouble putting

> words

> > together, worse than usual. Not doing much of anything except

> eating

> > and sleeping.

> >

> > Not looking forward to the trip, as we're doing it all in one

day

> and,

> > yes, DH is going, I can't even get myself to the grocery store,

> much

> > less to Lubbock and back. I'm looking forward to when I can go

by

> > myself. Also looking forward to finding out how physically

messed

> up I

> > am so I won't feel as crazy any more!

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Carol

>

[Guest guest]

Yeaaaa! I'm sick! (Anybody else ever feel that way?) Not crazy, something's wrong with me!

We flew to Lubbock and back yesterday...all in one day and I'm wiped out! You won't believe what happened on the flight, we didn't, and we still don't know why it happened. We were on the 9:00am Houston/Dallas/Lubbock flight. About half way to Dallas, maybe a little less, about 20 minutes into the flight, the captain came on and said we'd been diverted to Austin and he didn't know why. I was looking forward to a nice, relaxing flight...well, so much for that. No other information was given, even the Flight Attendants seemed to be completely in the dark, only that to their knowledge, nothing like this had ever happened before. We got to Austin, they took the Lubbock passengers off the plane and put us on a non-stop from Austin to Lubbock and we got there almost the same time as originally scheduled. A little too Twilight Zone for me.

My blood pressure was up, of course, again. Don't remember exactly and DH has my notebook in his brief case, he was Recording Secretary.

Doc said my CBC was completely normal except for those pesky platelets, 62 (130-400), he doesn't know why and is hoping they'll come up with treatment.

Ferritin 29 (10-220)

Magnesium 1.9 (1.3-2.3)

Folic Acid 7.9 (>5.0)

Free T4 0.97 (0.73-1.95)

Testosterone 29 ((14-76)

TSH 7.1 (0.3-5.1)

B-12 347 (250-1100)

DHEA 93 (35-430)

Cortisol 8 (7-25)

Free T3 2.9 (2.3-4.2)

Thyroid Peroxidase AB 721 (<35) (Bingo!)

Doc said to take multi-vitamin with iron, said Centrum's fine. Armour (2) 1/2gr am, (1) 1/2gr 6 hrs. later. Metanx AM. DHEA 4hrs. after Armour and at bedtime. Come back in 3 months, keep in touch about progress, or lack thereof.

The diet stuff is going to be real hard for me.

Can't wait to feel better...

Carol

> > >> > > > > > Thanks, Sara and Jan,> > > > > > I'm a little anxious I guess, but so ready too.> > > > > > I'm all brain fogged up and have been having lots of trouble > with > > my> > > ears with tickling feelings, popping and ringing (really loud). > It> > > seems to be wearing on me quite a bit. Having trouble putting > > words> > > together, worse than usual. Not doing much of anything except > > eating> > > and sleeping.> > > > > > Not looking forward to the trip, as we're doing it all in one > day > > and,> > > yes, DH is going, I can't even get myself to the grocery store, > > much> > > less to Lubbock and back. I'm looking forward to when I can go > by> > > myself. Also looking forward to finding out how physically > messed > > up I> > > am so I won't feel as crazy any more!> > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > Carol> >>

[Guest guest]

Hi Carol!

My husband and I just came back from Lubbock today. I wanted to go yesterday but was not room for us on 4:30 flight back, so we went today. I heard about your flight and I am happy that I was not there. Sorry that it had happened to you.

It was not smooth for us either. We were suppose to go at 9 but got there at 8:40 and they did not want to issue us boarding passes. I did not know that we could do that on line. So we had to wait for 11:30 flight. My apt was at 1:30 so I just got there in time.

Flight back was terrible, no air to breathe. Last 30 minutes I was not able to breath, this had never happened to me before. Now I will be afraid to fly next time.

nevenka

Yeaaaa! I'm sick! (Anybody else ever feel that way?) Not crazy, something's wrong with me!

We flew to Lubbock and back yesterday...all in one day and I'm wiped out! You won't believe what happened on the flight, we didn't, and we still don't know why it happened. We were on the 9:00am Houston/Dallas/Lubbock flight. About half way to Dallas, maybe a little less, about 20 minutes into the flight, the captain came on and said we'd been diverted to Austin and he didn't know why. I was looking forward to a nice, relaxing flight...well, so much for that. No other information was given, even the Flight Attendants seemed to be completely in the dark, only that to their knowledge, nothing like this had ever happened before. We got to Austin, they took the Lubbock passengers off the plane and put us on a non-stop from Austin to Lubbock and we got there almost the same time as originally scheduled. A little too Twilight Zone for me.

My blood pressure was up, of course, again. Don't remember exactly and DH has my notebook in his brief case, he was Recording Secretary.

Doc said my CBC was completely normal except for those pesky platelets, 62 (130-400), he doesn't know why and is hoping they'll come up with treatment.

Ferritin 29 (10-220)

Magnesium 1.9 (1.3-2.3)

Folic Acid 7.9 (>5.0)

Free T4 0.97 (0.73-1.95)

Testosterone 29 ((14-76)

TSH 7.1 (0.3-5.1)

B-12 347 (250-1100)

DHEA 93 (35-430)

Cortisol 8 (7-25)

Free T3 2.9 (2.3-4.2)

Thyroid Peroxidase AB 721 (<35) (Bingo!)

Doc said to take multi-vitamin with iron, said Centrum's fine. Armour (2) 1/2gr am, (1) 1/2gr 6 hrs. later. Metanx AM. DHEA 4hrs. after Armour and at bedtime. Come back in 3 months, keep in touch about progress, or lack thereof.

The diet stuff is going to be real hard for me.

Can't wait to feel better...

Carol

[Guest guest]

Did you happen to hear what the cause of our flight diversion

was???

I write out a post it note to remind myself to print the boarding

passes 24 hrs. before flight.

Was there a problem with the air conditioning on the plane or were

you having trouble breathing??? Could have been a one time thing...

Carol

>

>

> Hi Carol!

>

> My husband and I just came back from Lubbock today. I wanted to

go yesterday

> but was not room for us on 4:30 flight back, so we went today. I

heard about

> your flight and I am happy that I was not there. Sorry that it

had happened

> to you.

>

> It was not smooth for us either. We were suppose to go at 9 but

got there at

> 8:40 and they did not want to issue us boarding passes. I did not

know that

> we could do that on line. So we had to wait for 11:30 flight. My

apt was at

> 1:30 so I just got there in time.

> Flight back was terrible, no air to breathe. Last 30 minutes I was

not able

> to breath, this had never happened to me before. Now I will be

afraid to fly

> next time.

>

> nevenka

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 6/29/2006 1:55:40 P.M. Central Standard Time,

> cmcgreer1@... writes:

>

>

>

> Yeaaaa! I'm sick! (Anybody else ever feel that way?) Not crazy,

> something's wrong with me!

> We flew to Lubbock and back yesterday...all in one day and I'm

wiped out!

> You won't believe what happened on the flight, we didn't, and we

still don't

> know why it happened. We were on the 9:00am

Houston/Dallas/Lubbock flight.

> About half way to Dallas, maybe a little less, about 20 minutes

into the

> flight, the captain came on and said we'd been diverted to Austin

and he didn't

> know why. I was looking forward to a nice, relaxing

flight...well, so much for

> that. No other information was given, even the Flight Attendants

seemed to

> be completely in the dark, only that to their knowledge, nothing

like this

> had ever happened before. We got to Austin, they took the

Lubbock passengers

> off the plane and put us on a non-stop from Austin to Lubbock and

we got there

> almost the same time as originally scheduled. A little too

Twilight Zone

> for me.

> My blood pressure was up, of course, again. Don't remember

exactly and DH

> has my notebook in his brief case, he was Recording Secretary.

> Doc said my CBC was completely normal except for those pesky

platelets, 62

> (130-400), he doesn't know why and is hoping they'll come up with

treatment.

> Ferritin 29 (10-220)

> Magnesium 1.9 (1.3-2.3)

> Folic Acid 7.9 (>5.0)

> Free T4 0.97 (0.73-1.95)

> Testosterone 29 ((14-76)

> TSH 7.1 (0.3-5.1)

> B-12 347 (250-1100)

> DHEA 93 (35-430)

> Cortisol 8 (7-25)

> Free T3 2.9 (2.3-4.2)

> Thyroid Peroxidase AB 721 (<35) (Bingo!)

> Doc said to take multi-vitamin with iron, said Centrum's fine.

Armour (2)

> 1/2gr am, (1) 1/2gr 6 hrs. later. Metanx AM. DHEA 4hrs. after

Armour and at

> bedtime. Come back in 3 months, keep in touch about progress, or

lack

> thereof.

> The diet stuff is going to be real hard for me.

> Can't wait to feel better...

> Carol

>

[Guest guest]

I LOVE that about him. I also love what he teaches me

about the human body. I'm trying to save up for an

anatomy book like the one he has. It's really

cooooool.

Best--

Courtenay.

> > It is an amazing experience to go to a doc and

> be able to relax

> and let him do the driving.

[Guest guest]

Carol, I heard about your flight from Dr. R. We were telling him about what had happened to us and he mentioned what had happened to a lady from Houston yesterday, so I knew it was you.

This was first time that we got tickets on line and that we flew in the US, we only go over seas by plane and through the agency. But I will know better for the next time.

Nobody sad anything about the air on the plain. My husband only sad that it was very stuffy and hot on our way back, but he did not have problem breathing. Maybe it was me and my over reaction to the condition, but it was not pleasant and it was scary. And to make it worse, after we landed we had to wait for over 20 minuets inside the plane until we got to the gate.

Did you happen to hear what the cause of our flight diversion was??? I write out a post it note to remind myself to print the boarding passes 24 hrs. before flight. Was there a problem with the air conditioning on the plane or were you having trouble breathing??? Could have been a one time thing...Carol

[Guest guest]

Oh Carol, you are not weird. Our plain back was full of kids too. Some of them were talking the whole time. They did not bother me until I started having this breathing problems. Then I was thinking, there must be enough air on the plain just they are swallowing it all, haha.

I'm still curious about the diversion. I did a Google News search and nothing came up. Didn't do my blood pressure any good.

Oh, I don't like waiting on the plane on the ground either. On one of the flights during boarding the Flight Attendant made an announcement that everybody should be sure and open their air vents, that it was getting hot on the plane. Well, I just let everybody else do that...I don't like that questionable air blowing on me!

I remembered something else kind of strange...maybe it's just me strange...I kind of have this 'sensory overload' thing that happens. On the flight home it seemed like there were a lot of very chatty kid groups. Schools out, they're on summer trips of all kinds. I usually let DH board ahead of me, seasoned business traveler, selects the best area in the plane and kind of avoids the baby section and such. But since these groups were not pre-boarded they got on with everyone else and it wasn't possible to avoid them. The 'chatter' was getting to me. I always have earplugs in my purse. They helped a lot. Of course, you can still hear, but it muffled it down to a manageable level. I know, I'm weird.

Carol

[Guest guest]

I'm still curious about the diversion. I did a Google News search and nothing came up. Didn't do my blood pressure any good.

Oh, I don't like waiting on the plane on the ground either. On one of the flights during boarding the Flight Attendant made an announcement that everybody should be sure and open their air vents, that it was getting hot on the plane. Well, I just let everybody else do that...I don't like that questionable air blowing on me!

I remembered something else kind of strange...maybe it's just me strange...I kind of have this 'sensory overload' thing that happens. On the flight home it seemed like there were a lot of very chatty kid groups. Schools out, they're on summer trips of all kinds. I usually let DH board ahead of me, seasoned business traveler, selects the best area in the plane and kind of avoids the baby section and such. But since these groups were not pre-boarded they got on with everyone else and it wasn't possible to avoid them. The 'chatter' was getting to me. I always have earplugs in my purse. They helped a lot. Of course, you can still hear, but it muffled it down to a manageable level. I know, I'm weird.

Carol

Re: Re: First follow-up with Dr. R. this week

Carol, I heard about your flight from Dr. R. We were telling him about what had happened to us and he mentioned what had happened to a lady from Houston yesterday, so I knew it was you.

This was first time that we got tickets on line and that we flew in the US, we only go over seas by plane and through the agency. But I will know better for the next time.

Nobody sad anything about the air on the plain. My husband only sad that it was very stuffy and hot on our way back, but he did not have problem breathing. Maybe it was me and my over reaction to the condition, but it was not pleasant and it was scary. And to make it worse, after we landed we had to wait for over 20 minuets inside the plane until we got to the gate.

Did you happen to hear what the cause of our flight diversion was??? I write out a post it note to remind myself to print the boarding passes 24 hrs. before flight. Was there a problem with the air conditioning on the plane or were you having trouble breathing??? Could have been a one time thing...Carol

[Guest guest]

HA!

Or maybe they were exhaling all the extra 'hot air'!

When did you start to feel better? I think if it was me I'd take a

bottle of COLD water, or ask for ice and take a little battery

operated fan. It's summer, I bet you can get them anywhere.

Carol

>

>

> Oh Carol, you are not weird. Our plain back was full of kids too.

Some of

> them were talking the whole time. They did not bother me until I

started having

> this breathing problems. Then I was thinking, there must be enough

air on

> the plain just they are swallowing it all, haha.

>

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 6/30/2006 9:16:37 A.M. Central Standard Time,

> cmcgreer1@... writes:

>

>

>

> I'm still curious about the diversion. I did a Google News

search and

> nothing came up. Didn't do my blood pressure any good.

>

> Oh, I don't like waiting on the plane on the ground either. On

one of the

> flights during boarding the Flight Attendant made an announcement

that

> everybody should be sure and open their air vents, that it was

getting hot on the

> plane. Well, I just let everybody else do that...I don't like

that

> questionable air blowing on me!

>

> I remembered something else kind of strange...maybe it's just me

strange...I

> kind of have this 'sensory overload' thing that happens. On the

flight home

> it seemed like there were a lot of very chatty kid groups.

Schools out,

> they're on summer trips of all kinds. I usually let DH board

ahead of me,

> seasoned business traveler, selects the best area in the plane

and kind of avoids

> the baby section and such. But since these groups were not pre-

boarded they

> got on with everyone else and it wasn't possible to avoid them.

The

> 'chatter' was getting to me. I always have earplugs in my

purse. They helped a

> lot. Of course, you can still hear, but it muffled it down to a

manageable

> level. I know, I'm weird.

>

> Carol

>

[Guest guest]

I get that too Carol, what do you think that is? My husband would just tune them out but I don't seem to be able to do that. I get really overwhelmed when there is too much going on around me and I can't concentrate on what I'm trying to do. I had the same things happen on a plane - a conversation behind me, one beside me (in French), one to the other side all while the pilot was making announcements on the microphone - I really thought I was going to lose it. At some point they all sort of meld together and it's like I have earmuffs on.

Re: Re: First follow-up with Dr. R. this week

Carol, I heard about your flight from Dr. R. We were telling him about what had happened to us and he mentioned what had happened to a lady from Houston yesterday, so I knew it was you.

This was first time that we got tickets on line and that we flew in the US, we only go over seas by plane and through the agency. But I will know better for the next time.

Nobody sad anything about the air on the plain. My husband only sad that it was very stuffy and hot on our way back, but he did not have problem breathing. Maybe it was me and my over reaction to the condition, but it was not pleasant and it was scary. And to make it worse, after we landed we had to wait for over 20 minuets inside the plane until we got to the gate.

Did you happen to hear what the cause of our flight diversion was??? I write out a post it note to remind myself to print the boarding passes 24 hrs. before flight. Was there a problem with the air conditioning on the plane or were you having trouble breathing??? Could have been a one time thing...Carol

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I bought the rosewater at The Vitamin Shoppe. I know most health food stores have it. My job is stressful in the physical sense, believe it or not. The weird hours wreak havoc on me along with Hashi's and peri-menopause. I have had the weirdest infections in the last few years before and after Hashi's diagnosis. Call Southwest and complain about the diversion. You never know. You may find out what happened. I think it is very strange that a PA was not made. PA's are always made when their is a diversion of any kind.

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Judy,

I have no idea what it is and people usually look at me funny when I try to describe it. I'm guessing since you get it too it must be thyroid related. I just hope it goes away! I get it in stores in a different way. Visually, I have to take a list, stick to it and get out. This is definitely not 'me'. I used to be a Recreational Shopper and my family has taken to asking a certain question to gauge my current health status: "Have you been to Target?" :-) The current answer is No, haven't been since about March. Simply unheard of for me, usually there weekly. Have only been shopping for absolute necessities and not enjoying it one bit.

Speaking of which, I have to go to the pharmacy...to get my Armour!!!

Carol

>> I get that too Carol, what do you think that is? My husband would just tune them out but I don't seem to be able to do that. I get really overwhelmed when there is too much going on around me and I can't concentrate on what I'm trying to do. I had the same things happen on a plane - a conversation behind me, one beside me (in French), one to the other side all while the pilot was making announcements on the microphone - I really thought I was going to lose it. At some point they all sort of meld together and it's like I have earmuffs on.> > Re: Re: First follow-up with Dr. R. this week> > > > > > > > Carol, I heard about your flight from Dr. R. We were telling him about what had happened to us and he mentioned what had happened to a lady from Houston yesterday, so I knew it was you.> This was first time that we got tickets on line and that we flew in the US, we only go over seas by plane and through the agency. But I will know better for the next time.> > Nobody sad anything about the air on the plain. My husband only sad that it was very stuffy and hot on our way back, but he did not have problem breathing. Maybe it was me and my over reaction to the condition, but it was not pleasant and it was scary. And to make it worse, after we landed we had to wait for over 20 minuets inside the plane until we got to the gate. > > > > > > > > > Did you happen to hear what the cause of our flight diversion > was??? > > I write out a post it note to remind myself to print the boarding > passes 24 hrs. before flight. > > Was there a problem with the air conditioning on the plane or were > you having trouble breathing??? Could have been a one time thing...> > Carol> > > > > > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg { FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif}#ygrp-mlmsg TABLE { }#ygrp-mlmsg SELECT { FONT: 99% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif}INPUT { FONT: 99% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif}TEXTAREA { FONT: 99% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif}#ygrp-mlmsg PRE { FONT: 100% monospace}CODE { FONT: 100% monospace}#ygrp-mlmsg { LINE-HEIGHT: 1.22em}#ygrp-text { FONT-FAMILY: Georgia}#ygrp-text P { MARGIN: 0px 0px 1em}#ygrp-tpmsgs { CLEAR: both; FONT-FAMILY: Arial}#ygrp-vitnav { FONT-SIZE: 77%; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana}#ygrp-vitnav A { PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px}#ygrp-actbar { CLEAR: both; MARGIN: 25px 0px; COLOR: #666; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-ALIGN: right}#ygrp-actbar .left { FLOAT: left; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap}..bld { FONT-WEIGHT: bold}#ygrp-grft { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 77%; PADDING-BOTTOM: 15px; PADDING-TOP: 15px; FONT-FAMILY:> Verdana}#ygrp-ft { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #666 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 77%; PADDING-BOTTOM: 5px; PADDING-TOP: 5px; FONT-FAMILY: verdana}#ygrp-mlmsg #logo { PADDING-BOTTOM: 10px}#ygrp-vital { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 8px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 20px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 8px; PADDING-TOP: 2px; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #e0ecee}#ygrp-vital #vithd { FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 77%; TEXT-TRANSFORM: uppercase; COLOR: #333; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana}#ygrp-vital UL { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 2px 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px}#ygrp-vital UL LI { CLEAR: both; BORDER-RIGHT: #e0ecee 1px solid; BORDER-TOP: #e0ecee 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #e0ecee 1px solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: #e0ecee 1px solid; LIST-STYLE-TYPE: none}#ygrp-vital UL LI .ct { PADDING-RIGHT: 0.5em; FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FLOAT: right; WIDTH: 2em; COLOR: #ff7900; TEXT-ALIGN: right}#ygrp-vital UL LI .cat { FONT-WEIGHT: bold}#ygrp-vital A { TEXT-DECORATION: none}#ygrp-vital A:hover {> TEXT-DECORATION: underline}#ygrp-sponsor #hd { FONT-SIZE: 77%; COLOR: #999}#ygrp-sponsor #ov { PADDING-RIGHT: 13px; PADDING-LEFT: 13px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 20px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 6px; PADDING-TOP: 6px; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #e0ecee}#ygrp-sponsor #ov UL { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 8px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px}#ygrp-sponsor #ov LI { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 77%; PADDING-BOTTOM: 6px; PADDING-TOP: 6px; LIST-STYLE-TYPE: square}#ygrp-sponsor #ov LI A { FONT-SIZE: 130%; TEXT-DECORATION: none}#ygrp-sponsor #nc { PADDING-RIGHT: 8px; PADDING-LEFT: 8px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 20px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #eee}#ygrp-sponsor .ad { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 8px; PADDING-TOP: 8px}#ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1 { FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 100%; COLOR: #628c2a; LINE-HEIGHT: 122%; FONT-FAMILY: Arial}#ygrp-sponsor .ad A { TEXT-DECORATION: none}#ygrp-sponsor .ad A:hover { TEXT-DECORATION:> underline}#ygrp-sponsor .ad P { MARGIN: 0px}o { FONT-SIZE: 0px}..MsoNormal { MARGIN: 0px}#ygrp-text TT { FONT-SIZE: 120%}BLOCKQUOTE { MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 4px}..replbq { }> > ---------------------------------> Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.>

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PA???

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> I bought the rosewater at The Vitamin Shoppe. I know most health

food stores have it. My job is stressful in the physical sense,

believe it or not. The weird hours wreak havoc on me along with

Hashi's and peri-menopause. I have had the weirdest infections in

the last few years before and after Hashi's diagnosis. Call

Southwest and complain about the diversion. You never know. You

may find out what happened.

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> I think it is very strange that a PA was not made. PA's are

always made when their is a diversion of any kind.

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Check the pills before you leave the pharmacy. The pharmacies love to slip you a generic, even if the doc wrote "brand medically necessary." If you are not sure, check the "Pill Images" in Photos on our site.carol77096 wrote: Judy, I have no idea what it is and people usually look at me funny when I try to describe it. I'm guessing since you get it too it must be thyroid related. I just hope it goes away! I get it in stores in a different way. Visually, I have to take a list, stick to it and get out. This is definitely not

'me'. I used to be a Recreational Shopper and my family has taken to asking a certain question to gauge my current health status: "Have you been to Target?" :-) The current answer is No, haven't been since about March. Simply unheard of for me, usually there weekly. Have only been shopping for absolute necessities and not enjoying it one bit. Speaking of which, I have to go to the pharmacy...to get my Armour!!! Carol >> I get that too Carol, what do you think that is? My husband would just tune them out but I don't seem to be able to do that. I get really overwhelmed when there is too much going on around me and I can't concentrate on what I'm trying to do. I had the same things happen on a plane - a conversation behind me,

one beside me (in French), one to the other side all while the pilot was making announcements on the microphone - I really thought I was going to lose it. At some point they all sort of meld together and it's like I have earmuffs on.> > Re: Re: First follow-up with

Dr. R. this week> > > > > > > > Carol, I heard about your flight from Dr. R. We were telling him about what had happened to us and he mentioned what had happened to a lady from Houston yesterday, so I knew it was you.> This was first time that we got tickets on line and that we flew in the US, we only go over seas by plane and through the agency. But I will know better for the next time.> > Nobody sad anything about the air on the plain. My husband only sad that it was very stuffy and hot on our way back, but he did not have problem breathing. Maybe it was me and my over reaction to the condition, but it was not pleasant and it was scary. And to make it worse, after we landed we had to wait for over 20 minuets inside the plane until we got to the gate. > > > > > > > > In a message dated 6/29/2006 9:20:53 P.M. Central Standard Time,

cmcgreer1@... writes:> Did you happen to hear what the cause of our flight diversion > was??? > > I write out a post it note to remind myself to print the boarding > passes 24 hrs. before flight. > > Was there a problem with the air conditioning on the plane or were > you having trouble breathing??? Could have been a one time thing...> > Carol> > > > > > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg { FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif}#ygrp-mlmsg TABLE { }#ygrp-mlmsg SELECT { FONT: 99% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif}INPUT { FONT: 99% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif}TEXTAREA { FONT: 99% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif}#ygrp-mlmsg PRE { FONT: 100% monospace}CODE { FONT: 100% monospace}#ygrp-mlmsg { LINE-HEIGHT: 1.22em}#ygrp-text { FONT-FAMILY: Georgia}#ygrp-text P { MARGIN: 0px 0px 1em}#ygrp-tpmsgs { CLEAR: both; FONT-FAMILY:

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Yea Carol! Welcome to the team! (and so very sorry you've had to

join us) You aren't crazy, it appears you are low or high in all the

tests that many of us were/are low or high in. Yes, those *#!**#! TP

ABs will make you feel really awful. Mine were only 135 or

something, and came down nicely, but folks are all different, and

you can feel awful even with low numbers. I'm no medical type,

whatsoever, but you appear to me to have a classic profile of what

the Hashi's does. From what you reported, it sounds like your iron

utilization is working, and you can get by with just the diet (beef

daily) and a multi-vit to get your ferritin up and the rest will

happen. If you can tell me your iron tests results sometime I'd

appreciate it (total serum iron, TIBC, % iron saturation). This is

where I'm not doing well, so I have extra interest in it.

I would surmise that you BP was up due to travel/flight stress or

some white coat reaction, and unless the doc said anything, I

wouldn't worry about it. I have a mercury bp rig here at the house,

and I can register pretty normal at home and then spike like crazy

in the doc's office. I think he knows we're all sick and can have

bad readings until our systems get healed. That's why he says " get

rid of your stress " so much. Easier said than done, but it's

important to work at it as much as possible.

I will look forward to hearing your progress and how all your meds

do for you. So glad you are on your way! Knowing all the details of

why/how you are sick can relieve so much stress - I know it did for

me. And also knowing that you can do something about it, have a game

plan, and have a doc you can have great confidence in.

Your flight story is very Twilight Zone, to say the least! The only

thing I can imagine is that President Bush or VP Cheney might have

made a stealth flight into Dallas for fundraising and they had to

divert all aircraft. That's happened a lot in Dallas over the years

I've been here.....Sara

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>

> Yeaaaa! I'm sick! (Anybody else ever feel that way?) Not crazy,

> something's wrong with me!

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Gosh, I don't know if I can adequately cover what's happened in a

scientific way. Hopefully Jan or Sharon can elaborate from a

medical/biochemical viewpoint.

I was hypo with Hashi's for who knows how long before seeing Dr. R.

My TSH was back up again over the top of the range, and now it's

almost surpressed. My nutrition was in the tank. My storage iron

(ferritin) and iron utilization was just pitiful, and I was very

weak from it. Had terrible brain fog. My TP-ab's were higher than

now and causing more havoc. I was on synthetic T4, Levoxyl, instead

of the Armour, and it was failing me. I just wasn't converting the

T4 to the useable T3, and both values were really low. My body was

burned out from being so stressed over so many years - pushing

myself while sick, since no other doc had tested or treated me

properly, and I was limping along on anti-depressants and anti-

anxiety meds to (improperly) shore up my weakening condition. I

started taking Foltx (with the vitamin B's and folic acid) - sorry,

I can't quite remember it's effect, but I know you need B12 for

brain function. I started on DHEA (I was really low) to start to

heal my burned out adrenal system. I was very low in sex hormones

and was only getting one kind of estrogen in a patch, rather than

the compounded tri-estrogen I now take (sex drive returned as well

as some stamina, I'm sure, as my testosterone was very low). I

wasn't getting any quality sleep, and now I'm doing really well. Ya

gotta sleep well! And I spent a lot of time resting, letting go of

chores, letting go of " musts, shoulds, need to's " , trying to avoid

stress, and let my body, down to the cellular level, just heal. As

is pointed out many times on this board, your body gets hurt during

this disease process, and it needs to heal. It doesn't happen over

night.

I know what you mean about dreading the party. I had to quit all

social interaction for about 6 months, I was so burned out. I just

hope you will carve out a few hours in advance to rest, soak in the

tub with a few candles around, and tell everyone to leave you alone!

Rest again and then take time to get ready. Pause/rest again before

you leave. Plan on leaving early for the party, and be sure

to " transition " from one activity to another. Sit in the car for 10

minutes and just relax. Then start the car and go. When you get to

the party, turn off the car and just sit and close your eyes and

relax for another 10 minutes. Go in when you are ready. Don't stay

longer than you need to. Avoid caffeine, alcohol, rich foods, sugary

foods. Eat as cleanly as you can. Drink lots of water, not sodas.

Find a comfortable and less noisy place to sit and watch the party.

Avoid standing and talking in intense groups for long periods. Avoid

sitting out in the sun if it's a day time party. Showing up for just

awhile and leaving is perfectly ok. You come first. When you get

home, relax again. This method of transitioning has really helped

me. My psychotherpist urged me to learn to do it. I'd always been in

a terrible rush, and she's helped me learn to slow down and allow

more time to do things. I really understand how this party is an

obstacle for you - but it will be over tomorrow and maybe you can

work on trying to find time to rest over the holiday. I hope it all

goes really well and you have a good time! ...Sara

>

> Please tell me what happened to cause the changes for you in the

past year. Was it mainly a switch to Armour? I've got a party to

go to tomorrow and I've been dreading it for weeks. I can't wait

for it to be over and that is not like 'me' at all.

>

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Sara,

I have your whole same 'avoidance' list, lots of things that wouldn't bother me normally do now. I don't really get the full blown panic attack thing like you. It's more like I shut down. I do get a 'gotta get outa here' feeling. It's like all my nerves are really raw.

In 2003 I had several major stressful events: my oldest relative, who my Mom (almost 84) was real close to passed away. Two months later DH had totally unexpected triple bypass. About three months after that my Mom got really sick, fell, and was found on the floor of her apartment (living alone - at her insistence) the next morning, semi-conscious, disoriented and severely dehydrated. She had been concealing how sick she was. She spent a week in the hospital during which I had to find long term care for her, to which she had been totally opposed prior to her illness. She has severe dementia and doesn't really know where she is. Several months after that my middle daughter had to have a hysterectomy. She's 38, they have one exceptional son. She was born to be a Mom and wanted one more baby. She's OK, but, of course, has had hormone problems ever since (they had to take the ovaries).

I was already not doing that great before all this. Since then I've just felt that I have no emotional, or physical for that matter, reserves left...and here I am, rambling in the middle of the night.

Carol

> > > > > I remembered something else kind of strange...maybe it's just me > strange...I kind of have this 'sensory overload' thing that > happens. On the flight home it seemed like there were a lot of very > chatty kid groups. Schools out, they're on summer trips of all > kinds. I usually let DH board ahead of me, seasoned business > traveler, selects the best area in the plane and kind of avoids the > baby section and such. But since these groups were not pre-boarded > they got on with everyone else and it wasn't possible to avoid > them. The 'chatter' was getting to me. I always have earplugs in > my purse. They helped a lot. Of course, you can still hear, but it > muffled it down to a manageable level. I know, I'm weird. > > > > Carol> >>

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Well, having a place to " ramble in the night " is what this group is

all about! I can't tell you how all of these gals have helped me

through my health crisis and fears with their encouragement and

incredible knowledge. Especially Jan. They helped me understand that

I'm not crazy about my condition and it's weird side effects, and

that I have a place I can talk about it where there is openness and

understanding. They have shown me I can get better. They helped me

find a fabulous doctor. Even my DH, to whom I've sent many TTG posts

to help educate him, thinks this place is just marvelous. He is

always singing it's praises, and refers folks to it if they have

thyroid health issues, or have a loved one who does. (we are in the

health care field, eldercare in particular.)

Our, yours and my, cohort group has been talked about greatly, as

the " sandwich generation, " which has had to deal with kid and parent

issues at the same time. (I have personally coined a new term, " the

club sandwich generation " since folks are living longer and the 40+

year old set will be dealing with both parents and grandparents who

are having health issues, while they are dealing with their

children's issues.) What happened to you in 2003, which was more

than overwhelming, might be called your " precipitating event " which

means that dealing with your husband's illness, your mother's

problems and your child's problems all at the same time, tipped your

body over into the danger zone. It's been mentioned on this board

quite often that major stresses or illnesses can trigger the Hashi's

condition. For me, it was longer term stress of growing our

business, having problems and an eventual falling out with a

business partner, and moving to our new house in 2003. Like you

described about yourself, I wasn't doing that well before, already

had my hypo condition, but after the move in Dec. 2003, I really

went down hill in 2004.

This is a time when you really need to rest and de-stress as much as

possible. More than you can imagine. Just think of it as " banking "

your energy, since you are at bottom right now. I had to really do

an inventory of what I thought I had to do (stupid - my only work

was to eat, take my meds, and rest!) and then let it all go and

delegate it or understand that it had to be put off. I had to quit

working and we just had to deal with the expense of hiring someone

and off-loading other work at the business. We cut a lot out of our

personal budget so that I could have a housekeeper come more often,

and a caregiver, since for a while I couldn't get up to fix meals. I

was fortunate in that I don't have parents or children to deal with,

but that meant I had no potential source for help, either. But, I

could be free to just work on me. I do hope you can settle in and

now just work on you. Your ability right now to carve out a healing

place for yourself, follow the doc's regimen, and let go, will

directly effect your health and healing process. And, take it from

one who got into mischief too soon, resist the temptation to jump

back into the fray when you start to feel better!! Danger, Danger

Will !! Just be glad you feel better and go with the flow.

Don't go back to your old ways. Don't take on work, trips, social

activity, etc. Just chill.

And " ramble in the night " with the rest of us! - Sara

>

>

> Sara,

>

> I have your whole same 'avoidance' list, lots of things that

wouldn't

> bother me normally do now. I don't really get the full blown panic

> attack thing like you. It's more like I shut down. I do get

a 'gotta

> get outa here' feeling. It's like all my nerves are really raw.

>

> In 2003 I had several major stressful events: my oldest relative,

who my

> Mom (almost 84) was real close to passed away. Two months later

DH had

> totally unexpected triple bypass. About three months after that

my Mom

> got really sick, fell, and was found on the floor of her apartment

> (living alone - at her insistence) the next morning, semi-

conscious,

> disoriented and severely dehydrated. She had been concealing how

sick

> she was. She spent a week in the hospital during which I had to

find

> long term care for her, to which she had been totally opposed

prior to

> her illness. She has severe dementia and doesn't really know where

she

> is. Several months after that my middle daughter had to have a

> hysterectomy. She's 38, they have one exceptional son. She was

born to

> be a Mom and wanted one more baby. She's OK, but, of course, has

had

> hormone problems ever since (they had to take the ovaries).

>

> I was already not doing that great before all this. Since then

I've

> just felt that I have no emotional, or physical for that matter,

> reserves left...and here I am, rambling in the middle of the night.

>

> Carol

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Sara,

I really appreciate it. I'm kind of at a point of forced rest. I'm really not able to do much at all. Cook? Clean? What's that? :-)

It is wonderful that whatever weird symptom I have somebody else here has experienced it.

Trying to be patient...

Thanks,

Carol

> >> > > > Sara,> > > > I have your whole same 'avoidance' list, lots of things that > wouldn't> > bother me normally do now. I don't really get the full blown panic> > attack thing like you. It's more like I shut down. I do get > a 'gotta> > get outa here' feeling. It's like all my nerves are really raw.> > > > In 2003 I had several major stressful events: my oldest relative, > who my> > Mom (almost 84) was real close to passed away. Two months later > DH had> > totally unexpected triple bypass. About three months after that > my Mom> > got really sick, fell, and was found on the floor of her apartment> > (living alone - at her insistence) the next morning, semi-> conscious,> > disoriented and severely dehydrated. She had been concealing how > sick> > she was. She spent a week in the hospital during which I had to > find> > long term care for her, to which she had been totally opposed > prior to> > her illness. She has severe dementia and doesn't really know where > she> > is. Several months after that my middle daughter had to have a> > hysterectomy. She's 38, they have one exceptional son. She was > born to> > be a Mom and wanted one more baby. She's OK, but, of course, has > had> > hormone problems ever since (they had to take the ovaries).> > > > I was already not doing that great before all this. Since then > I've> > just felt that I have no emotional, or physical for that matter,> > reserves left...and here I am, rambling in the middle of the night.> > > > Carol> >>

[Guest guest]

You are most welcome.

Sometimes things just work out, don't they!

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> Thanks for the great advice Sara, I am definitely going to try

that when the occasion comes along. I wanted you to know that your

response gave me the confidence to just resign myself to going to

the party and to not worry about anything. When I went to bed

Friday night, that was the plan.

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> As it turns out, we didn't go, but it wasn't because of me at

all. We were going to know absolutely nobody there besides the host

and the two of us just decided there were other things we could do

together.

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> Thank you for taking the time. I really appreciate it... Judy

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