Guest guest Posted December 22, 2003 Report Share Posted December 22, 2003 > And that's fine, because desiring not to be arrogant is more arrogant! Hi! I am new to this group and to inquiry, but am looking for " signposts " I suppose you'd call it, and have been trying to follow the threads of some of your discussions. I was wondering what you meant about it being more arrogant to desire to not be arrogant. There's a part of me that intuitively grasps at this statement and says yes that's probably right. But there's another bit that says to first of all recognise one's own arrogance and try to do something about it,...well surely that's what we are all trying to do to some degree, is it not? So how is that more arrogance? Kieran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 Dear Tim: You said: " I didn't write my last post - an intelligence (not mine) wrote it, why or how I have no idea! Tim " So that last post was created just like all your previous posts, except for your story about it. Beautiful! My story is that you have been relentless in wanting to know and being willing to know the Truth and it is beginning to pay dividends. Love, Steve D. > > Very perceptual! Thank you for sharing these insights. Yes, the 21 > > Ways to Peace are quite helpful. By the way, they have been posted > > out under Files for the past two years for all to look at or > download (plus a lot of other neat documents). > >Happy Holidays and Love to you, Tim > > > Steve D. > > > Glad you liked the post, Steve, and thanks for the pointer to more > from Kt, I'll check them out soon. I didn't write my last post - an > intelligence (not mine) wrote it, why or how I have no idea! Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 " My story is that you have been relentless in wanting to know and being willing to know the Truth and it is beginning to pay dividends. " Steve D. Relentless is a good word, plus a refusal to accept false gold. Yes, I can go with this story. " So that last post was created just like all your previous posts, except for your story about it. Beautiful! " Steve D. I was thinking about this today. This is where I differ from Kt's view. Today my mind has been racing, I see it like the salt windmill in the old tale, the one that fell into the sea and turned the water to salt, always churning. I strongly suspect it's possible to find this thought windmill, and turn it off - I hope so. Or stop the wind from blowing. My experience writing that post was quite different, I felt an energy I'll call 'love and understanding', the real thing, not a bogus imitation - as I said, where it came from or why, I don't know, but I'm sure it was a very different place from the thoughtmill (what an excellent word). Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 On Mon, Dec 22, 2003 at 11:04:30PM -0000, questor072003 wrote: > > > And that's fine, because desiring not to be arrogant is more > arrogant! > > Hi! I am new to this group and to inquiry, but am looking > for " signposts " I suppose you'd call it, and have been trying to > follow the threads of some of your discussions. I was wondering what > you meant about it being more arrogant to desire to not be arrogant. > > There's a part of me that intuitively grasps at this statement and > says yes that's probably right. But there's another bit that says to > first of all recognise one's own arrogance and try to do something > about it,...well surely that's what we are all trying to do to some > degree, is it not? So how is that more arrogance? Hi, Kieran. Hopefully Tim will answer for himself. In the meantime, I thought I'd like to say what his statement means for me, so I can hear myself say it. When I desire and attempt to not be arrogant, I'm presuming that I can make that choice. What seems to be true for me right now is that I can't choose what I'll think or how I'll feel. Thoughts and feelings come to me. It still seems to me that I can make a choice about how I respond to them (although I'm beginning to wonder about that), but not the content of the thoughts and feelings that float through. It seems to be the case for me that when I believe I can control my thoughts and feelings, I'm arrogant, because in fact I cannot control them. When I arrogate to myself powers that I don't have (controlling my thoughts and feelings), I am arrogant. That's how Tim's statement is true for me. Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 This is so in line with the 12 step program I practice.. that I do not have control over my emotions. Here we take it a step farther and even state that we don't have control over our thoughts. Revolutionary! Thanks Tom for the final sentence in your paragraph below. Makes good sense! Best, > > When I desire and attempt to not be arrogant, I'm presuming that I can > make that choice. What seems to be true for me right now is that I > can't choose what I'll think or how I'll feel. Thoughts and feelings > come to me. It still seems to me that I can make a choice about how I > respond to them (although I'm beginning to wonder about that), but not > the content of the thoughts and feelings that float through. It seems > to be the case for me that when I believe I can control my thoughts > and feelings, I'm arrogant, because in fact I cannot control them. > When I arrogate to myself powers that I don't have (controlling my > thoughts and feelings), I am arrogant. > > That's how Tim's statement is true for me. > > Tom > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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