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> This ... feeling arises here. It is only joy or love or whatever

> one chooses to call it, after the fact, when, in reflection, it

> is " named " as such-and-such a feeling. The naming, the recognition

> of " Ahhhh...this is joy " comes afterwards when thought arises.

> But, in my experience, there is some feeling actualizes prior to

> the cognition of it as a specific feeling. It is for this reason

> that it seems to me that feelings may arise in a bodymind mechanism

> prior to thought. The *identification* of the feeling (as joy,

> grief, love, sadness) is the action of thought - post the

> appearance of the feeling.

>

Hi Andy,

Feeling is always a second generation thought, but it is often very

difficult to see. Steve D. explains this so much better than I could

so I will just leave you with an extract from one his old emails.

" You have attached to a thought (1st generation), that thought

creates a feeling. You have another thought (2nd generation)that

that feeling is named fear.

Now you are saying " I feel fear of the unknown " and you believe that

it is true. All of it is due to the 1st generation thought that

created the first feeling that you labeled " fear " or " anxiety " , with

out investigating that first thought. The first thought could be as

simple as waking in the morning and becoming " self-aware " , like I am

awake. And it goes on from there. "

Loving what is, angel, and that would be you,

Neo

PS. Thought I would steal that last line from before someone

else beat me to it! LOL ...

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> This ... feeling arises here. It is only joy or love or whatever

> one chooses to call it, after the fact, when, in reflection, it

> is " named " as such-and-such a feeling. The naming, the recognition

> of " Ahhhh...this is joy " comes afterwards when thought arises.

> But, in my experience, there is some feeling actualizes prior to

> the cognition of it as a specific feeling. It is for this reason

> that it seems to me that feelings may arise in a bodymind mechanism

> prior to thought. The *identification* of the feeling (as joy,

> grief, love, sadness) is the action of thought - post the

> appearance of the feeling.

> Hi Andy,

>

> Feeling is always a second generation thought, but it is often

> very difficult to see. Steve D. explains this so much better than

> I could so I will just leave you with an extract from one his old

> emails.

Thank you Neo. I read Steve's explanation. What you posed here is

a circular argument that " proves " its own validity: if no thought is

seen prior to the feeling, then the lack of seeing can NOT (by

definition or dogma), mean that there was no thought (which I assert

can happen on occasion). It can only mean that the thought wasn't

seen (since it *must* be there, you assert).

Nothing that either you or Steve offer diminishes the sense

experienced here (and described in detail above), that sometimes

feelings appear, and afterwards, in the 'naming' of them, they

become thoughts.

It seems to me that it doesn't matter which order them come in. If

the feeling is pleasant, I doubt inquiry will follow; one probably

won't seek out the source of the pleasant feeling(s). Their

existence is sufficient.

If, however, the feeling is unpleasant, then a self-examination may

follow, perhaps revealing the thought(s) which are attached to the

troubling feeling. This may unravel the entire skein and diminish

or eradicate the upset.

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