Re: Rife Effects

[Guest guest]

Hi Dave:

I must respectfully disagree with your statement that UV ozone producing

methods don't produce NOx, unless of course you have some hard data

showing otherwise. If the UV energy is strong enough to produce ozone,

and there is nitrogen present, then NOx will also be produced. It may

not be as much as with a corona discharge, but that's only because the

corona discharge method is more powerful. Even if we were to grant that

ozone is produced without NOx, and this sterilizes the immediate area

around the frequency device, this in no way explains the MOR effect

under a microscope slide, a plugged test tube, or sealed ampules

threaded through a large chunk of horse meat, or deep inside a person or

experimental animal. Also, Rife didn't used quartz tubes exclusively;

he also used Pyrex. I don't recall any information showing that quartz

tubes were more effective than Pyrex tubes. And incidentally, 640 nm is

not UV, but is in the visible band. Ozone would also not explain the

reported demonstration of the MOR effect through a concrete floor.

Helium was most likely used because it has more resistance and will run

at a higher voltage, producing a stronger electric field and more

energetic plasma.

I think the points listed above are sufficient to indicate that the Rife

MOR effect has nothing to do with any ozone that might be produced by a

plasma tube or any other ozone producing equipment that Rife had as part

of his early experiments. I also don't recall any modern researcher

demonstrating the MOR effect with an ozone producing system. We'll do

far better if we stick with Rife's description of " hunt and try " to find

a frequency that will destroy the particular microorganism that we're

working on.

Regards,

A. Trebing wrote:

> , List,

>

> During electrical corona discharge ozone and harmful nitrites are formed and

increase with humidity. Ozone producing UV quartz tubes do not produce these

oxides as the ozone is produced in a different manner than electrical corona

discharge. Unless the amount of ozone is very high in a small room with little

circulation. UV tubes have benefits that may have illicited the Rife effect or

had been instrumental in it's use.

> The ozone produced by the helium quartz tubes we use in the IR/BPT-500 system

is sufficient enough to sterilize the immediate area around the frequency

device.

> Why did Rife use UV transparent tubes and why helium?. Possible reasons are

important to note.

> We are not sure about mechanisms involved in the increased effects from the

use of the quartz ozone producing tubes. Although we have not researched the

detailed effects from the UV it is evident that the helium has a single strong

spectral emission in the (?) 640 NM. band. The energy from the spectral emission

is compromised of an electromagnetic component and will carry modulated

frequencies with the UV light into the skin a few mm. This Surly will have

effects topically and on blood cells via the surface capillaries.

> There is so many mechanisms to frequency device effects but Rife's work

focused around resonant effects and this is where Vibrnthealths work and

research is centered.

> Our systems are designed with hand manufactured components from Jim Bare's

500KHZ bandwidth OM-1 modulator to Motorolas 300 watt linear amplifier and

Atlier Robins 1 megahertz F-100 fully programmable frequency generator.

> As stated by Ringas many times the fundamental frequencies are necessary

to the effects. In Jim Bare's paper " Understanding Our Frequencies Through

Harmonic Associations " we read how important fundamental frequencies are in

creating enough power for effects.

> At this time most Rife Lab frequencies can be used by the IR/BPT-500 system or

the first harmonic that may still have sufficient power for effects.

>

> Thank you and please contribute any ideas that may help in understanding and

improving research and development of Rife's wonderful work.

>

> Dave and Kathy Trebing

> Rife Technologies http://www.home.earthlink.net/~vibrnthealth

>> vibrnthealth@...

[Guest guest]

RE: 's comment: NO production using UV.

I agree that the production of NO is present when modulating ambient

air with UV to fracture the oxygen molecule into ozone. UV lamps are

broad spectrum and emit energy throughout most of the UV spectrum. Low

pressure quartz UV lamps will emit UV-C, borosilicate glass like Pyrex

will not. The peak for low pressure mecury is at 253.7 nanometers aka

2357 Angstroms. Ozone has a peak around 189 nonometers. Ambient air

should not be used for ozone production that is applied medically to

the body. Ozone produced by UV is insufficient in quantity to be of

much benefit and the NO that comes along with it is not desirable for

treating medical afflictions. Only compressed oxygen should be used.

Don't mess with oxygen concentrators as the output gas is difficult to

regulate and accurate metered gas flows are required for proper ozone

production.

[Guest guest]

A. Trebing wrote:

<snip>

> Cold plasma UV ozone production doesn't produce nitrous oxide and is the

cleanest way to produce ozone. If researched this is one of the major benefits

of cold plasma ozone generators. I'm no chemist but I would think that the UV

wavelength reacts with the oxygen but not nitrogen etc.

>

Cold plasma and UV are two different methods of ozone generation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_generator

I also did a search on UV ozone NOx, and there were many pages dealing

with NOx produced in the upper atmosphere from the UV coming from the

sun. Also, UV ozone generation is the weakest of the three methods. It

is usually used when a steady and low concentration of ozone is needed.

<snip>

> Ozone has nothing to do with the MOR effect. The MOR (Rife) effect is a

common resonant reaction used in high tech manufacturing, medicine, research,

etc. very often in chemical reactions to cooking hamburger in a micro. Rife

opened up the door for frequency devices that will effect all kinds of variable

factors beneficial to healing.

Fair enough, but this thread was dealing with the assertion that ozone

was responsible for the Rife effect. That is what the person who

started this thread claimed.

<snip>

> Helium is one of the few gases with an intense characteristic spectral line

at 420 (?)NM UV, surface penetrating to tissue. Light is used often as a carrier

in communications.

<snip>

420 nm is in the visible range. UV starts at about 380 nm and goes down

from there.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

Ken

Whilst I agree with you about the power of the mind and that any therapy can use

this effect I think it extremely unlikely that Rife did no more than that. If

you look at the evidence then I think that Rife did indeed find resonant

frequencies for things and kill them that way. I also find no difficulty in why

it difficult to replicate in that many of the machine still use his derived

frequencies. The organisms he researched will have changed to some extent and

therefore so will their mortal occultation rate. Then you have the question of

the accuracy of his measurements to consider. Someone needs to go back to seeing

the organisms again via a powerful optical microscope and empirically finding

mortal occultation rates, then and only then will we see his work replicated.

Trouble is who wants to do that, not the cancer industry for sure.

[Guest guest]

One simple statement. Think of those of us who have successfully used Rife

frequencies on our animals. Animals do not anticipate any particular reaction.

Therefore, if there is a positive outcome it cannot possibly attributed to some

sort of " placebo " effect.

Jan Bolen

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[Guest guest]

i must say too that belief is not the say all end all of reality. i

have a personal friend who got ovarian cancer (one of the most deadly

kinds) and survived just fine; i asked her how her attitude was at

the time and she said " she thought she was gonna die! " likewise, i

knew another person with terminal brain cancer who proclaimed

positively that she was absolutely gonna beat it. she soon kicked

the bucket.

it's not just health related either. i once said i'd probably never

meet girls at the health club and then very next day a girl gave me

her phone #. a friend of mine met his wife when he was at VA Beach

4th of July and observed a beautiful woman with another couple

friends. he got tired of watching her and said to himself " time to

go get shot down " and approached her and instead of getting shot down

she layed out a blanket and invited him to sit with them and talk.

months later they were married.

you just never know. i do think the effects of placebo can be very

powerful but i have peronsally observed that the effects are short

lived and last only several weeks at best and that is one good way of

seeing if something is truly long term workable or short term placebo.

jason

> > Hi ,

> >

> > I have another theory on the Rife Effect :-)

> >

> > I have just watch a 2.5 hour video presentation by Bruce Lipton,

Ph.D and M.A.

> > http://psych-k.com/video.php

> >

> > It was clearly displayed that our entire body's 50 trillion to 80

trillion cells, and the DNA and genetics in them are ONLY effected by

our subconscious beliefs. Nothing else matters and all else is

secondary and doesn't have much impact on the biology or physiology

of our body as our subconscious beliefs do.

> >

> > This is the latest science in cellular health and is now basic

scientific fact.

> >

> > This may be why Dr Bare, Dr Loyd, and all the Rife Doctors and

vendors are so successful in healing people.

> >

> > Their sheer confidence in this technology, is transferred to some

of the people who build and purchase these machines, and when they

turn them on and run a few sessions and their subconscious feels the

frequency energy coming from these Rife type machines, that this

energy communication is enough to instruct peoples subconscious into

changing to believing it is going to be healed by these devices.

> >

> > It has been now proven beyond doubt, that when this type of

change is made in people, and the subconscious can be instantly

reprogrammed into knowing the body is going to be healed, that the

body can basically heal extremely quickly, from just about any type

of disease or disorder.

> >

> > I feel sure the Rife Effect is tied up in this process somewhere.

> >

> > If people don't subconsciously believe that Rife machines are

going to heal them, then they wont get healed, and this modality is

false to them, but for those people that do believe on a subconscious

level that they will be healed by these machines, then infact they

will be healed.

> >

> > This may explain why the Rife Effect seems so elusive to so many,

it only happens when the subconscious belief changes.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> > Ken Uzzell

> > http://heal-me.com.au

>

[Guest guest]

Jan Bolen wrote:

> One simple statement. Think of those of us who have successfully used Rife

frequencies on our animals. Animals do not anticipate any particular reaction.

Therefore, if there is a positive outcome it cannot possibly attributed to some

sort of " placebo " effect.

>

You make a very good point, but as I've been pointing out for so many

years, the frequencies we are currently using are not " Rife " . None of

the frequencies we use today have been established according to Rife's

methodology. A limited exception is some of the frequencies established

for Lyme disease by Doug MacLean with his coil device. So, while your

point is valid, it doesn't really have anything to do with the " Rife

effect " , which is the subject of this thread.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thanks for this. It becomes easier to understand since discribed the

Rife Effect.

So those researchers that have been able to video tape " pond bugs " exploding

when exposed to frequency is in fact the Rife Effect outside the body.

Where it appears to be hard, is doing this with bacteria and virus, which I

understand are much smaller than " pond bugs " ?

In the body, it is much more difficult to know what is going on.

An example here is a person has a herpes outbreak on the arm. When exposed

to certain frequencies from the CAFL, there is a great tingling sensation,

directly at the outbreak site, and shortly after, the herpes fades and goes

away. If this is done aggressively, then the herpes can stay away for many

years. This does appear we are directly affecting the herpes virus in the

body, and its remission for such extended periods seems to qualify this. If

it was a physiological effect, then I wouldn't have thought the sensation

wouldn't be directly at the herpes site.

The same can be said for cancer tumors, often there is a senstation right at

the cancer tumor site while being exposed to certain frequencies.

Ken Uzzell

http://heal-me.com.au

Re: Rife Effects

> We used to see this sort of thing when I was investigating classical

> radionic instruments 30 years ago.

>

> Two points may be worth noting. You mentioned our faith in all things

> technological. This was a perceived advantage of radionics, and why

> it was favorably linked to emerging radio technologies back in the

> 1920's. In fact, the devices produced by Drown, Copan and De La Warr,

> etc. made little sense electronically. They were closer to

> sympathetic magic. One manufacturer even soldered in PCB's from

> unrelated equipment to enhance the effect. De La Warr

> successfully made photographic images of internal organs using little

> more than a saliva sample, light bulb and bank of tuning resistors.

> Apparently, no one else could replicate it.

>

> Secondly, and in spite of the above, we found devices that were

> electrically energized in _any_ way worked better. This was

> attributed to both the practitioner and the subject being within the

> same energy field. In other words, it set up a mutual resonance for

> transfer of information, even over great distance. The distinction

> between technology and its operator is still real but indefinite.

> Similar devices are sold today, often with an updated quantum belief

> system attached.

>

> There may, in truth, be a small element of the above in any healing

> modality. Unfortunately, on the Wikipedia " radionics " page I found a

> link to " Royal Rife " . Have a look here if you think they are

> related.

>

> http://www.radionic.co.uk/

>

> Nielsen

>

>

>>The following week we meet, and we sit together

>>through the Rife session, and bingo, same frequencies, lots of hits and he

>>moves forward again with his health.

>>

>>There is something happening here, and I bet most people experienced with

>>Rife type machines have personally experienced this type of response

>>sometimes.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Group;

Just thought I would add my two cents on faith and believing. I

live in Tulsa, OK, home of Oral University(ORU) and Rhema Bible

School. At ORU's Hour of Healing program with we see

20 to 30 medically documented healings from cancer per month.

(Oral's son) will not put a cancer healing testimony on the air

unless it has been medically documented. That's what I like about him,

He says if God has really healed you through his prayers, it will show

up on an MRI. He and his father Oral believe in a combination of

prayer and medical science.

As far as how much your faith in God matters for your healing, I

have known people personally who had basically very little faith and

were healed by God through the laying on of hands at Rhema from Hep C,

Aids and Cancer.

On the other hand I've seen people who had alot of faith in God,

die in faith, looking for God to heal them, including

niece la(colon cancer).

I do personally think it is important to have faith in God, and

have a positive attitude and talk positive, but I also think God is

sovreign and heals who he wills for his own reasons.

If your interested in experiencing the healing power of God in

your geography visit www.healingrooms.com for a healing room in your

area, they are completely free of charge. From my experience try a

couple different ones because they very in power levels.

P.S. - Don't knock it till you've tried it.

>

> i must say too that belief is not the say all end all of reality. i

> have a personal friend who got ovarian cancer (one of the most deadly

> kinds) and survived just fine; i asked her how her attitude was at

> the time and she said " she thought she was gonna die! " likewise, i

> knew another person with terminal brain cancer who proclaimed

> positively that she was absolutely gonna beat it. she soon kicked

> the bucket.

>