Re: An Offer toward Challenge to Rife Manufacturers!

[Guest guest]

So Ian wants to verify everyone elses devices

first? Maybe that is why it is going to take two

years to offer anything useful.

I was hoping someone would prove me wrong with a

few facts. All I am saying is I have seen no

evidence that Ian is or does was he says. In

spite of high-sounding rhetoric, no information

has been presented here that could be considered

original. Of course, he does not have to share

anything. But then why keep bringing it up, and then not delivering as stated.

Your statements regarding publication do not hold

water. Ian has already claimed 89% cures in some

cases. That should be good enough to help

someone, if that is the true motive. Contrary to

your assertion, incremental disclosure is a norm

in the scientific community. It is a safeguard

against exactly the type of thing we are now discussing.

Yes, I am aware it is not Rife technology per se

being considered, and I have never " jumped " on

anyone for using sinewaves. Several established

devices also use it, as I do experimentally

myself. There is ample literature describing the

biological effects of audio frequencies.

In the interests of clarification, perhaps Ian

would be so kind as to describe the exact range

test procedures he is offering, and provide an

itemized summary (not disclosure) of what he has

achieved so far. That would provide a genuine basis for discussion.

Regarding your comments about people of " ill

intent " lurking on this list. I have seen no evidence of that either.

Nielsen

>,

>

>I think You are jumping the gun here just a bit. And mixing apples with

>oranges. Ian is suggesting to assist people in conducting research on

>VARIOUS FREQUENCY devices that are being used in order to get a scientific

>idea as to what those devices do, thus helping the manufacturers of same to

>market them better. He is not telling us that HIS research in China

>involves the study of any one of these devices. To the contrary. From

>reading Ian¹s posts to this list, it is clear that he is NOT using any such

>devices or protocols. Go back and read what he has posted so far.... And

>when he does tell people on this list that he is using Sine wave only in the

>audible range, other people Œjump¹ on him and argue with him....

>

> From my interactions with Ian, it is clear to me that he is not fishing for

>anything., His pond is amply full of all the fish he would ever need to

>find and then some. He is a true scientist, offering to help others in this

>field because the goal in front of him is larger than that of an individual

>owner of a Rife machine. He is conducting research in the field of

>frequency medicine with a huge team of scientists, engineers, lab personnel

>etc., for the benefit of Mankind and not for profit. Do you think that ANY

>research team would do wisely to publish their findings before they are

>complete, and in this case, totally full-proof and fail-proof??? Let alone

>putting it out on a list like this one, that may be swarming with lurkers

>with ill-intent....

>

>I hope people take him up on his offer and start working with him.

>

>Sara

>

> " Nielsen " wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > While I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, this is

> > stretching things a bit. Ian has undertaken to make disclosures of

> > his own work several times in the past, both personally and on this

> > list. To the best of my knowledge, he has not followed through. It's

> > been everything from " soon " to just a few months away (last Summer).

> > Now it's " a couple of years " ... and we are being invited to disclose

> > our research? This is starting to look suspiciously like a fishing

> > expedition. I would be interested in hearing from anyone who takes up

> > this offer and is satisfied with the outcome.

> >

> > Nielsen

> >

> >> >Hi Guys,

> >> >

> >> >Our offer to assist others is simple. There is

> >> >absolutely no commercial interest in our own research

> >> >or project. In fact, once published it will be

> >> >offered at absolutely no charge as well as device

> >> >plans and parts sources.

> >> >

> >> >The offer is to assist others who have been achieving

> >> >results of one form or another to compile sufficient

> >> >data as to be able to market their devices now. our

> >> >own research will be another couple of years before

> >> >significant release of information can be effected.

> >> >

> >> >Remember this; our research is not geared in the same

> >> >direction as most of the " rife community " , but in the

> >> >area of cellular regeneration rather than attacking

> >> >viruses and bacteria. " All roads lead to Rome. "

> >> >

> >> >Our offer stands, valuable to the serious, useful to

> >> >the dedicated, profitable to those who will, but it

> >> >stands nonetheless.

> >> >

> >> >Always,

> >> >

> >> >Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

We use square waves for the harmonics. Most Plasma (EMEM)tubes will

not go much over 10,000 hz so we use harmonics to reach the actual

frequency like a Crane device. Plasma tubes seem to have better

penetration.

We also tend to use positive offset to get the Hulda clark effect and

because EMEM's and other devices require pulsed DC.

For your application a sine wave probably works fine. For Rife type

work a square wave is one of the bests waves.

Corey

> > > > > Hi,

> > > > > there is a new online interview with Steve

> > Ross of

> > > > the " World

> > > > > Research Fondation " on the Rife and Ergonom

> > > > microscopes as well as

> > > > > Rife therapy devices. It is very interesting

> > and I

> > > > suggest everyone

> > > > > watches it:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/sross2.htm

> > > > >

> > > > > Towards the end of the interview, Steve makes

> > an

> > > > interesting point

> > > > > about Rife device manufacturers. Steve states

> > that

> > > > he has asked a

> > > > > number of such companies to provide medical

> > data

> > > > proving the

> > > > > effectivness.

> > > > >

> > > > > Steve said in the interview:

> > > > >

> > > > > ---

> > > > >

> > > > > " For example, having a medical doctor fully

> > > > examine a patient both

> > > > > before and after a Rife treatment thereby

> > > > documenting the results.

> > > > > None of the manufacturers have been able to

> > > > provide such evidence so

> > > > > far. He is not asking for the patients or

> > doctors

> > > > names, just the

> > > > > hard evidence in form from proper tests.

> > > > >

> > > > > Show me medical details before using the

> > machine,

> > > > and after. That is

> > > > > results from a medical doctor examination

> > before

> > > > and after the

> > > > > treatment.

> > > > >

> > > > > I want to see if a specific Rife machine is

> > > > actually working. Not

> > > > > heresay, not a wife's tale.

> > > > >

> > > > > I also wants to know if the people using these

> > > > machines have changed

> > > > > their diet, are they meditating, are they

> > > > listening to different

> > > > > kinds of music? Because if they are, is it the

> > > > machine or their

> > > > > lifestyle that makes the change.

> > > > >

> > > > > The answer I get back all the time is: " Steve,

> > you

> > > > know about the FDA

> > > > > and the AMA and that it is so difficult! "

> > > > >

> > > > > I reply: " Look - cross out the doctors name,

> > cross

> > > > out the patients

> > > > > name, but show me a legitimate before and

> > after

> > > > examination. Not one

> > > > > of those companies has produced that.

> > > > >

> > > > > When companies put Rife's name on their

> > machine,

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

>

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the truth through relentless research and infinite patience.

>

>

>

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Ken, others ..

A paramecium is a far stretch from a bacterium, and a vastly different

critter than a virus. Cherries and Giant Watermelons apart in my book.

Who has managed to kill e.coli bacteria repeatibly and reproducibly by

remote exposure? I've heard of three people who say they've done it, and

two of them have thus far, despite repeated requests, not sent their

frequencies or the protocols they used. So much for the claims. The

one person who did send me frequencies and protocols - I thank her

profusely, and hope that I'll be able to get back to trying to kill the

e.coli this summer! Despite hundreds of tests, I have yet to repeatibly

kill e.coli in cultures using any form of rediant plasma lamp. On

occasion, the cultures were slowed down in their growth curves

(incubated and measured every half hour), but the tests weren't

repeatible. A non-reproducible experiment is of no use in proving this

technology.

-Dave Felt

Ken Uzzell wrote:

>Dear ,

>

> Bare, and Square Wave Research have shown they can kill microbes in

>test tubes. Jim uses RF plasma transmissions and if I have read correctly,

>Square Wave Research used wire (electrodes).

>

>How would tests be done to display microbes are being killed in the body?

>Like it is easy to see microbes under a microscope in a test tube, but how

>would researchers set-up tests to display they are blowing up microbes in

>the body?

>

>When you apply signals from either plasma transmitters or contact

>electrodes, so many physiological processes occur in the body, and many of

>these lead to the demise of pathogen.

>

>Sincerely,

>Ken Uzzell

>http://heal-me.com.au

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Dave and Mike for your replies,

I understand paramecium is not a bacterium, (I think, I'm not an expert

here) but it is something closer to our goals, other than a wine glass.

So, if Dr Rife could do it back in the 1930's, why can't we do it?

What did he have that we don't have? It sure isn't a lack of technology.

Could it be something simply like he was transmitting MOR's in the MHz range

via his plasma system, and the broadcast radio law doesn't allow us to go

there?

On another point, I am sure interested in why 880Hz makes mamals go to sleep

and become so relaxed. Has anyone any ideas on what 880Hz is doing to the

body to make is so relaxed and sleepy?

I have seen this many many times, it is like a frequency that hypnotises the

mind, or places the mind in a state where it just lets go and drifts off. It

sure isn't near Alpha or the low frequencies of the mind that can also

trigger a relaxed and sleepy state.

Sincerely,

Ken Uzzell

http://heal-me.com.au

Re: Re: An Offer toward Challenge to Rife Manufacturers!

> Ken, others ..

> A paramecium is a far stretch from a bacterium, and a vastly different

> critter than a virus. Cherries and Giant Watermelons apart in my book.

> Who has managed to kill e.coli bacteria repeatibly and reproducibly by

> remote exposure? I've heard of three people who say they've done it, and

> two of them have thus far, despite repeated requests, not sent their

> frequencies or the protocols they used. So much for the claims. The

> one person who did send me frequencies and protocols - I thank her

> profusely, and hope that I'll be able to get back to trying to kill the

> e.coli this summer! Despite hundreds of tests, I have yet to repeatibly

> kill e.coli in cultures using any form of rediant plasma lamp. On

> occasion, the cultures were slowed down in their growth curves

> (incubated and measured every half hour), but the tests weren't

> repeatible. A non-reproducible experiment is of no use in proving this

> technology.

> -Dave Felt

>

>

>

> Ken Uzzell wrote:

>

>>Dear ,

>>

>> Bare, and Square Wave Research have shown they can kill microbes in

>>test tubes. Jim uses RF plasma transmissions and if I have read correctly,

>>Square Wave Research used wire (electrodes).

>>

>>How would tests be done to display microbes are being killed in the body?

>>Like it is easy to see microbes under a microscope in a test tube, but how

>>would researchers set-up tests to display they are blowing up microbes in

>>the body?

>>

>>When you apply signals from either plasma transmitters or contact

>>electrodes, so many physiological processes occur in the body, and many of

>>these lead to the demise of pathogen.

>>

>>Sincerely,

>>Ken Uzzell

>>http://heal-me.com.au

[Guest guest]

Very well said Dave. I'm well aware that Jim Bare and

others have had some success in destroying pond bugs

under the microscope, but the effect is inconsistent.

What we're looking for is an effect that anyone can

reproduce on call. Also, we're concerned with, as

Rife called it, " the pathogenic bacteria of human

disease " . Of course we can add all the other types of

disease causing organisms. We need to show an effect

that any skeptic can reproduce for them self, and it

has to be in vitro, so that they can't explain it away

as might be done if it is in vivo. As I've said so

many times before, the Rife MOR effect has nothing to

do with stimulating physiological processes in the

body, and to answer Ken's question of how to set up

tests to show that microbes are being killed in the

body, that could be extrapolated from a rapid

resolution of the condition, or animal experiments

could be done. Now, it could be said that conditions

resolve when frequencies are run, even though it can't

be done under the microscope. Well, I would say that

is evidence that the frequencies are working by a

mechanism other than directly destroying the

organisms, and if that's the case, it's something

different than what Rife was doing and should

therefore be called something else.

Regards,

--- Dave wrote:

> Ken, others ..

> A paramecium is a far stretch from a bacterium, and

> a vastly different

> critter than a virus. Cherries and Giant Watermelons

> apart in my book.

> Who has managed to kill e.coli bacteria repeatibly

> and reproducibly by

> remote exposure? I've heard of three people who say

> they've done it, and

> two of them have thus far, despite repeated

> requests, not sent their

> frequencies or the protocols they used. So much for

> the claims. The

> one person who did send me frequencies and protocols

> - I thank her

> profusely, and hope that I'll be able to get back to

> trying to kill the

> e.coli this summer! Despite hundreds of tests, I

> have yet to repeatibly

> kill e.coli in cultures using any form of rediant

> plasma lamp. On

> occasion, the cultures were slowed down in their

> growth curves

> (incubated and measured every half hour), but the

> tests weren't

> repeatible. A non-reproducible experiment is of no

> use in proving this

> technology.

> -Dave Felt

[Guest guest]

--- Ken Uzzell wrote:

<snip>

> So, if Dr Rife could do it back in the 1930's, why

> can't we do it?

>

> What did he have that we don't have? It sure isn't a

> lack of technology.

>

> Could it be something simply like he was

> transmitting MOR's in the MHz range

> via his plasma system, and the broadcast radio law

> doesn't allow us to go

> there?

<snip>

I think we're missing something fundamental, not only

from a hardware perspective, but also from the

perspective of very few, if any people following

Rife's methodology. How many of us have an unlimited

access to pathogenic organisms, and can spend 16-18

hours a day for months on end searching for a single

MOR? Granted, with modern technology, finding MORs

should be faster and easier, but we still have to do

the grunt work. In the final analysis, if a frequency

doesn't " devitalize " an organism under the microscope,

then it's not an MOR. Let the search continue.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Is it possible that there is one frequency which usually kills a

particular microbe, which is always known to cause a particular

serious condition.

If so, a number of people could try using only this one protocol.

If most of them have a substantial reduction of symptoms, over a

long period of time (without continuing to use this or any other

frequency after a predetermined time period) then this would be

very meaningful.

Do we have to go much further than this? After Ken's remarks I

figured this would be as close as we're likely to get in proving

that a Rife frequency can destroy a microbe in the body.

Bil

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JR> --- Ken Uzzell wrote:

JR> <snip>

>> So, if Dr Rife could do it back in the 1930's, why

>> can't we do it?

>>

>> What did he have that we don't have? It sure isn't a

>> lack of technology.

>>

>> Could it be something simply like he was

>> transmitting MOR's in the MHz range

>> via his plasma system, and the broadcast radio law

>> doesn't allow us to go

>> there?

JR> <snip>

JR> I think we're missing something fundamental, not only

JR> from a hardware perspective, but also from the

JR> perspective of very few, if any people following

JR> Rife's methodology. How many of us have an unlimited

JR> access to pathogenic organisms, and can spend 16-18

JR> hours a day for months on end searching for a single

JR> MOR? Granted, with modern technology, finding MORs

JR> should be faster and easier, but we still have to do

JR> the grunt work. In the final analysis, if a frequency

JR> doesn't " devitalize " an organism under the microscope,

JR> then it's not an MOR. Let the search continue.

JR> Regards,

JR>

JR>

[Guest guest]

--- Bil Green wrote:

> Hi ,

>

> Is it possible that there is one frequency which

> usually kills a

> particular microbe, which is always known to cause a

> particular

> serious condition.

>

This is what " Rife " is all about. You identify a

particular microorganism that causes a particular

condition, and then find a frequency that will

" devitalize " it.

> If so, a number of people could try using only this

> one protocol.

> If most of them have a substantial reduction of

> symptoms, over a

> long period of time (without continuing to use this

> or any other

> frequency after a predetermined time period) then

> this would be

> very meaningful.

>

Exactly! If we had a verified MOR for a

microorganism, let's use strep throat as an example,

then everyone (or at least the overwhelming majority)

who has strep throat and uses this frequency should

get better. This is leaving other issues such as

power and delivery aside for the moment.

> Do we have to go much further than this? After Ken's

> remarks I

> figured this would be as close as we're likely to

> get in proving

> that a Rife frequency can destroy a microbe in the

> body.

>

I personally don't need anything further than this,

and this is how Rife did it. He established an MOR

first in vitro, and then applied it to animals or

humans and observed the results of the condition

resolving. The principle is very simple, but the

execution is painstaking. The way we do it today is

very different. We run many frequencies for a

condition, virtually none of which have been

established under the microscope. The Lyme people

have done some microscope work, which may be why they

seem to be getting better and more consistent results,

but I don't think that it has been reproduced by

others. As Dave said earlier, what we need is

reproducibility. That is fundamental to the scientific

method.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

The color harmonic of 880Hz (the note A) is orange-yellow, the color

of a sunset in other words. And what are we primed to do after

sunset? On most nights at least ;-)

On the subject of observing the effects of frequencies within the

body, suitable methods were developed for bioichemical responses by

the communications industry. Check out the research papers,

thousands. Note how higher frequencies can mediate the activity of lower ones.

Nielsen

>and become so relaxed. Has anyone any ideas on what 880Hz is doing to the

>body to make is so relaxed and sleepy?

>

>I have seen this many many times, it is like a frequency that hypnotises the

>mind, or places the mind in a state where it just lets go and drifts off. It

>sure isn't near Alpha or the low frequencies of the mind that can also

>trigger a relaxed and sleepy state.

[Guest guest]

Dear Corey,

Exactly. We are focusing on the same goal via different methodologies. So,

remember that " All roads lead to Rome. "

Best wishes,

corey590 wrote:

We use square waves for the harmonics. Most Plasma (EMEM)tubes will

not go much over 10,000 hz so we use harmonics to reach the actual

frequency like a Crane device. Plasma tubes seem to have better

penetration.

We also tend to use positive offset to get the Hulda clark effect and

because EMEM's and other devices require pulsed DC.

For your application a sine wave probably works fine. For Rife type

work a square wave is one of the bests waves.

Corey

> > > > > Hi,

> > > > > there is a new online interview with Steve

> > Ross of

> > > > the " World

> > > > > Research Fondation " on the Rife and Ergonom

> > > > microscopes as well as

> > > > > Rife therapy devices. It is very interesting

> > and I

> > > > suggest everyone

> > > > > watches it:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/sross2.htm

> > > > >

> > > > > Towards the end of the interview, Steve makes

> > an

> > > > interesting point

> > > > > about Rife device manufacturers. Steve states

> > that

> > > > he has asked a

> > > > > number of such companies to provide medical

> > data

> > > > proving the

> > > > > effectivness.

> > > > >

> > > > > Steve said in the interview:

> > > > >

> > > > > ---

> > > > >

> > > > > " For example, having a medical doctor fully

> > > > examine a patient both

> > > > > before and after a Rife treatment thereby

> > > > documenting the results.

> > > > > None of the manufacturers have been able to

> > > > provide such evidence so

> > > > > far. He is not asking for the patients or

> > doctors

> > > > names, just the

> > > > > hard evidence in form from proper tests.

> > > > >

> > > > > Show me medical details before using the

> > machine,

> > > > and after. That is

> > > > > results from a medical doctor examination

> > before

> > > > and after the

> > > > > treatment.

> > > > >

> > > > > I want to see if a specific Rife machine is

> > > > actually working. Not

> > > > > heresay, not a wife's tale.

> > > > >

> > > > > I also wants to know if the people using these

> > > > machines have changed

> > > > > their diet, are they meditating, are they

> > > > listening to different

> > > > > kinds of music? Because if they are, is it the

> > > > machine or their

> > > > > lifestyle that makes the change.

> > > > >

> > > > > The answer I get back all the time is: " Steve,

> > you

> > > > know about the FDA

> > > > > and the AMA and that it is so difficult! "

> > > > >

> > > > > I reply: " Look - cross out the doctors name,

> > cross

> > > > out the patients

> > > > > name, but show me a legitimate before and

> > after

> > > > examination. Not one

> > > > > of those companies has produced that.

> > > > >

> > > > > When companies put Rife's name on their

> > machine,

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

>

> Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D., New Lhasa Research Facility, In search of

the truth through relentless research and infinite patience.

>

>

>

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The biggest challenge is to try to determine the proper set of MOR

frequencies a person needs. That is why using square waves(most

harmonics generated)for most people works best. What we need is a

reliable scanning device to determine the right frequencies.

Lately I have been studying in analyzing voice prints by doing an

FFT analysis. This shows me the frequencies and their amplitudes. The

basic theory is that if your voice has missing frequency (gaps), it

maybe an indication of the frequencies you can benefit from.

I am very new to this so I can't intelligently go any further into

theory about it. I hope that it will be a tool that we can use.

There are a number of sights related to this with one shown below.

http://www.nutrasounds.com/

> > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > > there is a new online interview with Steve

> > > Ross of

> > > > > the " World

> > > > > > Research Fondation " on the Rife and Ergonom

> > > > > microscopes as well as

> > > > > > Rife therapy devices. It is very interesting

> > > and I

> > > > > suggest everyone

> > > > > > watches it:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/sross2.htm

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Towards the end of the interview, Steve makes

> > > an

> > > > > interesting point

> > > > > > about Rife device manufacturers. Steve states

> > > that

> > > > > he has asked a

> > > > > > number of such companies to provide medical

> > > data

> > > > > proving the

> > > > > > effectivness.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Steve said in the interview:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ---

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " For example, having a medical doctor fully

> > > > > examine a patient both

> > > > > > before and after a Rife treatment thereby

> > > > > documenting the results.

> > > > > > None of the manufacturers have been able to

> > > > > provide such evidence so

> > > > > > far. He is not asking for the patients or

> > > doctors

> > > > > names, just the

> > > > > > hard evidence in form from proper tests.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Show me medical details before using the

> > > machine,

> > > > > and after. That is

> > > > > > results from a medical doctor examination

> > > before

> > > > > and after the

> > > > > > treatment.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I want to see if a specific Rife machine is

> > > > > actually working. Not

> > > > > > heresay, not a wife's tale.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I also wants to know if the people using these

> > > > > machines have changed

> > > > > > their diet, are they meditating, are they

> > > > > listening to different

> > > > > > kinds of music? Because if they are, is it the

> > > > > machine or their

> > > > > > lifestyle that makes the change.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The answer I get back all the time is: " Steve,

> > > you

> > > > > know about the FDA

> > > > > > and the AMA and that it is so difficult! "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I reply: " Look - cross out the doctors name,

> > > cross

> > > > > out the patients

> > > > > > name, but show me a legitimate before and

> > > after

> > > > > examination. Not one

> > > > > > of those companies has produced that.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When companies put Rife's name on their

> > > machine,

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> > Hi ,

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> > Is it possible that there is one frequency which

> > usually kills a

> > particular microbe, which is always known to cause a

> > particular

> > serious condition.

>

> This is what " Rife " is all about. You identify a

> particular microorganism that causes a particular

> condition, and then find a frequency that will

> " devitalize " it.

While understanding the intention of what needs to be done here, to

be scientifically credible the microorganism would have to be very

carefully chosen and the conditions for the experimentation strictly

controlled. For instance, a bacteria which causes some chosen

disease may easily alter itself under conditions which might vary a

bit from one host to another, or between in vitro and in vivo

conditions. The laboratory work would need to be quite carefully

done with the assistance of capable people. Perhaps this is why Rife

was as successful as he was. He did very careful work in the

laboratory, controlling his microbe strains and growing conditions

meticulously.

Some bacteria and viruses are wildly changeable, depending on their

environment. The challenge before us is not trivial by any means.

Char

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--- soundtree01 wrote:

>

> > This is what " Rife " is all about. You identify a

> > particular microorganism that causes a particular

> > condition, and then find a frequency that will

> > " devitalize " it.

>

> While understanding the intention of what needs to

> be done here, to

> be scientifically credible the microorganism would

> have to be very

> carefully chosen and the conditions for the

> experimentation strictly

> controlled. For instance, a bacteria which causes

> some chosen

> disease may easily alter itself under conditions

> which might vary a

> bit from one host to another, or between in vitro

> and in vivo

> conditions. The laboratory work would need to be

> quite carefully

> done with the assistance of capable people. Perhaps

> this is why Rife

> was as successful as he was. He did very careful

> work in the

> laboratory, controlling his microbe strains and

> growing conditions

> meticulously.

>

> Some bacteria and viruses are wildly changeable,

> depending on their

> environment. The challenge before us is not trivial

> by any means.

>

> Char

Hi Char:

I agree with the points you made, but at this

juncture, I don't think that the host to host

variability should affect the MOR. If it did, then it

would be impossible to establish standardized MORs,

and the whole theory of Rife falls apart. If an

organism is in a form that will cause a certain

disease, then a true MOR should destroy it regardless

of the variability between hosts. It may be necessary

to have more than one MOR for different forms of the

organism, but that's a separate matter. What I would

like to see, is after an MOR has been established with

cultured organisms, then a series of tests should be

done with uncultured samples taken directly from

patients. This would settle the matter of variability

and the " laboratory factor " . This is a major flaw in

Rife's work with BX. He was only able to see and work

with it after culturing it, so he never really had a

" gold standard " of an uncultured sample to compare

against. This is the same problem with HIV that we

were discussing on the Rife Forum. They've never

directly isolated HIV from a sick patient, so they

never had a standard to gauge against. Rife's

situation wasn't as bad because he used artificial

media, but it's still a factor to consider. At any

rate, Rife's idea of specific MORs for different forms

of organisms implies universality. If this is

incorrect, then the frequencies that are established

in the laboratory would have to be further tailored to

each patient, at every treatment. This would not be a

workable situation. A real, verified MOR would be

able to settle these questions once and for all.

Regards,