Re: SSRI's added : How did you know it was time?

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You may want to run a neurotansmitters test before

trying any SSRI's. The neurotransmitter test is a

simple urine test. It will tel you which of your sons

neurotransmitters are off.....if dopamine is high, if

seratonin is low etc. You can then either use naturals

supplements to correct the imbalances or use the

appropriate SSRI. Generally it is hit or miss with the

SSRI's....it may work or it may not. It is worth doing

a test to find out what is wrong first and then

treating. Your DAN or Pediatrician can request the

test from www.neurscienceinc.com cost about $190. Or

you can do it on your own for about $120 through a

French Lab www.labbio.net.

--- jenniferreif1 wrote:

> Hi All!

>

> We are considering asking our son's psychiatrist

> about prescribing

> some sort of SSRI for our son. He gets very anxious,

> cries when he

> can't figure something out on one of his computer

> games, OCD has

> always been present. He has chewed holes into some

> of his shirts and

> when he gets mad, he gets this weird Manson

> look in his eyes

> and shoves you, slaps you whatever. It truly is

> scary. My husband and

> I think that some of this behavior goes past just

> having autism and

> die off from his mb-12/Acyclovir/Diflucan protocol.

> It was happening

> even before we started biomedical.

>

> For those of you who have had their sons or

> daughters on SSRI's

> before, how did you know that it was time to put

> them on one? How

> cooperative was your doctor (DAN or otherwise) about

> putting your son

> or daughter on an SSRI? My DAN flatly refuses to use

> any SSRI's, so

> we have to go back to either my son's pediatrician

> or our our son's

> psychiatrist to prescribe any SSRI's.

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

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You may want to check his testosterone level. A lot of

ASD kids have high testosterone levels which leads to

aggressive behavior. See the Dr Geirs work.

--- jenniferreif1 wrote:

> Hi All!

>

> We are considering asking our son's psychiatrist

> about prescribing

> some sort of SSRI for our son. He gets very anxious,

> cries when he

> can't figure something out on one of his computer

> games, OCD has

> always been present. He has chewed holes into some

> of his shirts and

> when he gets mad, he gets this weird Manson

> look in his eyes

> and shoves you, slaps you whatever. It truly is

> scary. My husband and

> I think that some of this behavior goes past just

> having autism and

> die off from his mb-12/Acyclovir/Diflucan protocol.

> It was happening

> even before we started biomedical.

>

> For those of you who have had their sons or

> daughters on SSRI's

> before, how did you know that it was time to put

> them on one? How

> cooperative was your doctor (DAN or otherwise) about

> putting your son

> or daughter on an SSRI? My DAN flatly refuses to use

> any SSRI's, so

> we have to go back to either my son's pediatrician

> or our our son's

> psychiatrist to prescribe any SSRI's.

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

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A lot of DAN's (obviously not yours, though!) will Rx ssri's but they like to wait until they feel they have no choice or when they are older.  That's why you may not find many 4 year olds on the DAN protocol using ssri's but you do find many 10 and older doing them.  I can't tell you when the time is finally at hand to take ssris.  I think it's different for everyone.  I think most DAN people try everything else first before going there and even then, some still refuse even when it really can be beneficial and/or warranted.  It's just a matter of personal choice.We aren't on the DAN protocol and we do use ssris.  I can't tell you how many great things have come from it.  We don't have any anxiety issues or OCD so we don't use it for that.  We use it to improve blood flow to the brain and for it's immune modulating qualities.  Since you will be seeing a regular ped for it, I have to tell you that most docs don't dose it properly and that's the reason for the wonderful black box warning.  They like to give too much too soon and it isn't good for the system and can cause some bad side effects.  You really need to go slow and titrate up over a long period of time.  You shouldn't titrate up faster than 1 month at a time.  It took us almost a year to get to the dose we are at now.  We started off very low and *slowly* built up to where we are probably at 3/4 of what a normal antidepressant dose would be.  We will *not* be going up to an antidepressant dose.  We are at our full dose and it's really been good for my son.  But it was also part of the whole protocol.You have to make the right decision for you and you can't let the stigma of it guide your decision.  People will always judge you for using ssris and there will always be someone waiting in the wings to tell you how wrong and bad it is to do.  Make the right decision for you, not for someone else.  Weigh all the pros and cons, do your research, etc.Good luck.CherylHi All!We are considering asking our son's psychiatrist about prescribing some sort of SSRI for our son. He gets very anxious, cries when he can't figure something out on one of his computer games, OCD has always been present. He has chewed holes into some of his shirts and when he gets mad, he gets this weird Manson look in his eyes and shoves you, slaps you whatever. It truly is scary. My husband and I think that some of this behavior goes past just having autism and die off from his mb-12/Acyclovir/Diflucan protocol. It was happening even before we started biomedical.For those of you who have had their sons or daughters on SSRI's before, how did you know that it was time to put them on one? How cooperative was your doctor (DAN or otherwise) about putting your son or daughter on an SSRI? My DAN flatly refuses to use any SSRI's, so we have to go back to either my son's pediatrician or our our son's psychiatrist to prescribe any SSRI's.Thanks, 

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Thanks!

Cheryl, I know that you are doing NIDS, perhaps that is the direction

that we should go in. Again, today, my husband kicked my son off of

the computer, kicking, screaming and hitting him. He kicked his older

sister in the stomach and punched her while she was trying to help

him with something. He even pushes his teachers as well as strangers.

This scares the hell out of me and is why I think that it is time for

an SSRI of some sort. This all goes beyond die off. Both my husband

and I are on SSRI's and we are doing fabulously with them.

I think that I would have better luck seeing the psychiatrist rather

than my pediatrician. We saw the psychiatrist only once while we were

in the process of diagnosing our son with autism. He might be able to

get a better picture of what to give our son since he sees kids like

our son all of the time.

Thanks again,

>

> > Hi All!

> >

> > We are considering asking our son's psychiatrist about prescribing

> > some sort of SSRI for our son. He gets very anxious, cries when he

> > can't figure something out on one of his computer games, OCD has

> > always been present. He has chewed holes into some of his shirts

and

> > when he gets mad, he gets this weird Manson look in his

eyes

> > and shoves you, slaps you whatever. It truly is scary. My husband

and

> > I think that some of this behavior goes past just having autism

and

> > die off from his mb-12/Acyclovir/Diflucan protocol. It was

happening

> > even before we started biomedical.

> >

> > For those of you who have had their sons or daughters on SSRI's

> > before, how did you know that it was time to put them on one? How

> > cooperative was your doctor (DAN or otherwise) about putting your

son

> > or daughter on an SSRI? My DAN flatly refuses to use any SSRI's,

so

> > we have to go back to either my son's pediatrician or our our

son's

> > psychiatrist to prescribe any SSRI's.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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, Our son is 16 and is on Prozac 20mg. We decided to do it when we started to get scared of him. His behavior was so unpredictable and vicious. He was attacking me daily and I couldn't take it anymore. He destroyed our house, kicking in walls and breaking furniture, broke all three toilets and five bed sets. When the attacks started to get physically threatening it was time. It worked. Prozac gave us time to think of what to do next. We did some research and started the journey to Stan's protocol. We started the diet and made an appointment with a DAN. It's been five months. It's been the hardest thing I've ever done and everyday is a struggle we both can only see one day at a time. It's so hard. I feel like we are on the right path, our son is better sometimes but the diet is ongoing and every two weeks we are eliminating something new or adding a new supp . Now we are getting ready to attack the yeast with VSL3 and Saccromyces Boulardi? I probably

didn't spell that right but anyway that's where we're at. He's been this way 14 years out of 16 so we know it's going to take a while before we can say WOW look at the change so we are holding on to that day in our minds eye, until then it's one day at a time but to get back to the SSRI, Prozac saved my life and his. Someday I hope to get rid of that too but not today. Alice

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Thanks !

I have suspected that Clostridia may be a culprit in my son's violent

behavior. He is like Jeckyll/Hyde, seriously. He has his well child

with his pediatrician in a week or so, maybe I could get my ped to

run a test for clostsridia.

I think that you are right in that I need to to have everything else

in place before we add the SSRI. Right now we have Acyclovir/Diflucan

on board. Maybe the missing link is the antibacterial? I will be

interested to see if his behavior improves with something like Flagyl

on board.

I'll keep you updated.

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

> > Cheryl, I know that you are doing NIDS, perhaps that is the

> direction

> > that we should go in. Again, today, my husband kicked my son off

> of

> > the computer, kicking, screaming and hitting him. He kicked his

> older

> > sister in the stomach and punched her while she was trying to

help

> > him with something. He even pushes his teachers as well as

> strangers.

> > This scares the hell out of me and is why I think that it is time

> for

> > an SSRI of some sort. This all goes beyond die off. Both my

> husband

> > and I are on SSRI's and we are doing fabulously with them.

> >

> > I think that I would have better luck seeing the psychiatrist

> rather

> > than my pediatrician. We saw the psychiatrist only once while we

> were

> > in the process of diagnosing our son with autism. He might be

able

> to

> > get a better picture of what to give our son since he sees kids

> like

> > our son all of the time.

> >

> > Thanks again,

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Alice!

Bless your heart! You certainly have a lot on your plate right now.

Also thanks for the encouragement in regard to using an SSRI. My son

is only 5 and sometimes his behavior just scares the hell out of me.

Especially the violence directed toward his sisters, myself and even

my husband. He is only 5, but looks more like a first grader in

height and is strong as an ox. Tall genes run in our families, so I

know that he is going to be a big kid all around. Too much for me to

handle later on. I want to nip something in the bud before it gets

too out of control. I'll keep you posted.

>

> ,

> Our son is 16 and is on Prozac 20mg. We decided to do it when we

started to get scared of him. His behavior was so unpredictable and

vicious. He was attacking me daily and I couldn't take it anymore. He

destroyed our house, kicking in walls and breaking furniture, broke

all three toilets and five bed sets. When the attacks started to get

physically threatening it was time. It worked. Prozac gave us time to

think of what to do next. We did some research and started the

journey to Stan's protocol. We started the diet and made an

appointment with a DAN. It's been five months. It's been the hardest

thing I've ever done and everyday is a struggle we both can only see

one day at a time. It's so hard. I feel like we are on the right

path, our son is better sometimes but the diet is ongoing and every

two weeks we are eliminating something new or adding a new supp . Now

we are getting ready to attack the yeast with VSL3 and Saccromyces

Boulardi? I probably didn't spell that right

> but anyway that's where we're at. He's been this way 14 years out

of 16 so we know it's going to take a while before we can say WOW

look at the change so we are holding on to that day in our minds eye,

until then it's one day at a time but to get back to the SSRI, Prozac

saved my life and his. Someday I hope to get rid of that too but not

today.

> Alice

>

>

> ---------------------------------

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I agree it is worth trying a few things before doing SSRIs.

our son had a 'pushing phase' in the nursery. it was getting really bad,

we were even thinking of pulling him out.

it stopped when we started NoFenol enzyme (both with food and in between

meals, on empty stomach!). also around that time we reintroduced

magnesium glycinate and benfotiamine so those two might have helped too

but those behaviours stopped completely within days of starting Nofenol.

Natasa

> > >

> > > Thanks!

> > >

> > > Cheryl, I know that you are doing NIDS, perhaps that is the

> > direction

> > > that we should go in. Again, today, my husband kicked my son off

> > of

> > > the computer, kicking, screaming and hitting him. He kicked his

> > older

> > > sister in the stomach and punched her while she was trying to

> help

> > > him with something. He even pushes his teachers as well as

> > strangers.

> > > This scares the hell out of me and is why I think that it is time

> > for

> > > an SSRI of some sort. This all goes beyond die off. Both my

> > husband

> > > and I are on SSRI's and we are doing fabulously with them.

> > >

> > > I think that I would have better luck seeing the psychiatrist

> > rather

> > > than my pediatrician. We saw the psychiatrist only once while we

> > were

> > > in the process of diagnosing our son with autism. He might be

> able

> > to

> > > get a better picture of what to give our son since he sees kids

> > like

> > > our son all of the time.

> > >

> > > Thanks again,

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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jekly and hyde can be yeast, clostrida, or food intollences that they are still getting in the diet - so try and notice if there is a pattern with food, thyroid, glucose issues, or opiate issues

if you post his diet we can help see if that part is clean, have you noticed a pattern around food intake? sugars? time of day? after art projects, trandsitional times? what suppliments are you on? when was the last OATS and IGG panel done? what did they show?

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Re: SSRI's added : How did you know it was time?

Thanks !I have suspected that Clostridia may be a culprit in my son's violent behavior. He is like Jeckyll/Hyde, seriously. He has his well child with his pediatrician in a week or so, maybe I could get my ped to run a test for clostsridia. I think that you are right in that I need to to have everything else in place before we add the SSRI. Right now we have Acyclovir/Diflucan on board. Maybe the missing link is the antibacterial? I will be interested to see if his behavior improves with something like Flagyl on board. I'll keep you updated.> >> > Thanks!> > > > Cheryl, I know that you are doing NIDS, perhaps that is the > direction > > that we should go in. Again, today, my husband kicked my son off > of > > the computer, kicking, screaming and hitting him. He kicked his > older > > sister in the stomach and punched her while she was trying to help > > him with something. He even pushes his teachers as well as > strangers. > > This scares the hell out of me and is why I think that it is time > for > > an SSRI of some sort. This all goes beyond die off. Both my > husband > > and I are on SSRI's and we are doing fabulously with them.> > > > I think that I would have better luck seeing the psychiatrist > rather > > than my pediatrician. We saw the psychiatrist only once while we > were > > in the process of diagnosing our son with autism. He might be able > to > > get a better picture of what to give our son since he sees kids > like > > our son all of the time.> > > > Thanks again,> > > >>

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Dear Alice,

This is my first post in this board.

I really hope that you continue getting your son improved and all the things you

are doing

are great and hopefully yield to great result.

About Prozac, I just wanted to let you know that of all SSRIs in the market,

Prozac is the

only one that is linked to causing psychosis in young people.

I'd asked my doctor what his rationale for specifically proscribing Prozac since

there has

been numerous adverse reaction report, and why not another SSRI. Here is a

google page

on Prozac and Psychosis.

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari & rls=en & q=Prozac+and

+Psychosis & ie=UTF-8 & oe=UTF-8

I am not sending this to alarm you but for you to be aware just in case of an

adverse

effect. Also, make sure your son has a very competent neurologist. Although I

usually

don't advocate psychiatric drugs, in some cases the use of such drugs is quite

justified

and even life saving. your son's case sounds one such case but I also think a

good

neurologist can help you determine if your child needs, SSRI, tricyclics, MAOI

or a low dose

neurolaptics (anti-psychotic).

On types of antidepressants:

http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art29494.asp

http://www.realage.com/health_guides/depression/topics/content.asp?

memberId= & cbr= & topic=31

Wishing you, your son and your family all the best,

Haleh

>

> ,

> Our son is 16 and is on Prozac 20mg. We decided to do it when we started to

get

scared of him. His behavior was so unpredictable and vicious. He was attacking

me daily

and I couldn't take it anymore. He destroyed our house, kicking in walls and

breaking

furniture, broke all three toilets and five bed sets. When the attacks started

to get

physically threatening it was time. It worked. Prozac gave us time to think of

what to do

next. We did some research and started the journey to Stan's protocol. We

started the diet

and made an appointment with a DAN. It's been five months. It's been the hardest

thing

I've ever done and everyday is a struggle we both can only see one day at a

time. It's so

hard. I feel like we are on the right path, our son is better sometimes but the

diet is

ongoing and every two weeks we are eliminating something new or adding a new

supp .

Now we are getting ready to attack the yeast with VSL3 and Saccromyces Boulardi?

I

probably didn't spell that right

> but anyway that's where we're at. He's been this way 14 years out of 16 so we

know it's

going to take a while before we can say WOW look at the change so we are holding

on to

that day in our minds eye, until then it's one day at a time but to get back to

the SSRI,

Prozac saved my life and his. Someday I hope to get rid of that too but not

today.

> Alice

>

>

> ---------------------------------

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Dear ,

It might pay to do a trial of Culturelle, a probiotic that goes

directly after Clostridia, while you are waiting to get testing

done. It won't hurt either way and might help at least some if this

is the problem. (You might need something stronger like Flagyl.)

I have been ordering Culturelle from Kirkman's but saw it at K-Mart

the other day. This was on the rec. from Great Plains when my son's

HPHPA was astonomically high (this is an organic acid marker for

Clostridia). We had a point where he was punching walls AND US at

age 3, and retrospectively, I would bet my life that Clostridia was

the culprit.

Although I realize that the meds you are considering have their place

and may be necessary, it would be really cool if this ends up to be a

problem that you can deal with at the root rather than control

symptoms.

I feel for all of you. Inside, he does not want to be doing this.

Keep reminding yourself AND him of that.

MS Mom to Nick age 5 asd and Kenny age 3 NT w/emerging red cheeks and

gut issues

>

[Guest guest]

I heard that Klaire Labs detox support goes after clostridia as well.mrsstanko wrote: Dear ,It might pay to do a trial of Culturelle, a probiotic that goes directly after Clostridia, while you are waiting to get testing done. It won't hurt either way and might help at least some if this is the problem. (You might need something stronger like Flagyl.)I have been ordering Culturelle from Kirkman's but saw it at K-Mart the other day. This was on the rec. from Great Plains when my son's

HPHPA was astonomically high (this is an organic acid marker for Clostridia). We had a point where he was punching walls AND US at age 3, and retrospectively, I would bet my life that Clostridia was the culprit.Although I realize that the meds you are considering have their place and may be necessary, it would be really cool if this ends up to be a problem that you can deal with at the root rather than control symptoms. I feel for all of you. Inside, he does not want to be doing this. Keep reminding yourself AND him of that.MS Mom to Nick age 5 asd and Kenny age 3 NT w/emerging red cheeks and gut issues>

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Thanks!

I will definitely look into Culturelle. How long was your son taking

it before you saw the aggressive symptoms go away?

I called my DAN's office about the behavior and they said that they

noticed that our son had lead in his system. The level was

considered " normal " , but they thought some of the aggression may stem

from that. Then the nurse started relaying to me some studies about

lead poisoning and those who are in the prison system.....thanks a

lot lady! You really have a way of putting my mind at ease when I

already think that I live with the Antichrist. Anyhow they wanted to

do an IV EDTA challenge test next time that I see my DAN.

I was so scared of my five year old yesterday afternoon. He loves

animals, but he took a kick at our dog (fortunately, although

elderly, our dog is still pretty quick and was able to quick get out

of the way). That was the last straw in my eyes. I have absolutely NO

TOLERANCE for anyone who tries to take out frustration on a poor

animal - that includes my own son. Within 2 minutes of the incident,

I was on the phone making an appointment with his child shrink. I may

have overreacted to the situation, but kicking at animals put up a

HUGE red flag for me. Serial killers start out like that! Maybe that

nurse at my DAN's office isn't so far off.

My husband and I joke around about living with " Damien " from " The

Omen " , but after a day like yesterday, man, it feels like it.

Thanks and I will keep you updated!

>

> Dear ,

>

> It might pay to do a trial of Culturelle, a probiotic that goes

> directly after Clostridia, while you are waiting to get testing

> done. It won't hurt either way and might help at least some if

this

> is the problem. (You might need something stronger like Flagyl.)

>

> I have been ordering Culturelle from Kirkman's but saw it at K-Mart

> the other day. This was on the rec. from Great Plains when my

son's

> HPHPA was astonomically high (this is an organic acid marker for

> Clostridia). We had a point where he was punching walls AND US at

> age 3, and retrospectively, I would bet my life that Clostridia was

> the culprit.

>

> Although I realize that the meds you are considering have their

place

> and may be necessary, it would be really cool if this ends up to be

a

> problem that you can deal with at the root rather than control

> symptoms.

>

> I feel for all of you. Inside, he does not want to be doing this.

> Keep reminding yourself AND him of that.

>

> MS Mom to Nick age 5 asd and Kenny age 3 NT w/emerging red cheeks

and

> gut issues

>

>

>

>

> >

>

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Guys,

My son (18 yrs, aspergers) has been on Lexapro for awhile for

depression/violent behavior and it has helped a lot although

definitley not a long range solution.

I have come to believe the cause is yeast, too. That is what is

causing inflamation of his brain and, thus, depression. What helps

his mood are yeast reducing suppls/meds and something in Brainchild

(not sure what but he becomes volitile when he is off it). He also

get VERY depressed if he takes anything with OLE in it. I thought he

might have viral problems and put him on high-dose Virastop but I saw

no change with him. I have noticed that he gets more depressed when

he eats pizza (ie. dairy intolerance but no teenager wants to hear

that) so he takes enzymes when he eats dairy--actually when he eats

any meal. I think those enzymes are part of the key. He is on a ton

of suppls, probiotics, and enzymes.

Our homeopathic doc says amino acids are a problem for him and that

kinda makes sense since his mood can really be a roller coaster

without frequent snacks. Even then, it seems some foods work better

than others but we have yet to find out the key. I just ordered some

Amino Support from Kirkman hoping that will help or tell us something.

I am not surprised that Clostridia might cause violent moods as yeast

alone can do that; then add something even worse. . . The homeopathic

doc said to not push reducing the Lexapro, though, as this mood stuff

is so hard on him and I entirely concurr. He has a miserable life,

for the most part. I can't even imagine how it would be like.

sally

> > >

> > > Thanks!

> > >

> > > Cheryl, I know that you are doing NIDS, perhaps that is the

> > direction

> > > that we should go in. Again, today, my husband kicked my son

off

> > of

> > > the computer, kicking, screaming and hitting him. He kicked his

> > older

> > > sister in the stomach and punched her while she was trying to

> help

> > > him with something. He even pushes his teachers as well as

> > strangers.

> > > This scares the hell out of me and is why I think that it is

time

> > for

> > > an SSRI of some sort. This all goes beyond die off. Both my

> > husband

> > > and I are on SSRI's and we are doing fabulously with them.

> > >

> > > I think that I would have better luck seeing the psychiatrist

> > rather

> > > than my pediatrician. We saw the psychiatrist only once while

we

> > were

> > > in the process of diagnosing our son with autism. He might be

> able

> > to

> > > get a better picture of what to give our son since he sees kids

> > like

> > > our son all of the time.

> > >

> > > Thanks again,

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sally, have you looked into the Pfeiffer Treatment Center and their

approach as an alternative to what you are stuck doing now? We are

using them for Matt, our son's vit and supp regiment is based on

bloodwork and all their research. A little pricey but it took the

guesswork out of it all for us, and it has been worth it for that

alone in our case...I know they deal with depression, bi polar,

autism etc. I also think Asperger's has to do with a leaky gut as

well as yeast issues. Have your son read Kaufman's work on the

fungal link - keep pizza in, but make it with a gluten free crust

recipe for now, and have him do a bit of research with you. See what

he thinks of what Kaufman has to say about the fungal link to many

many illnesses and how to recover

One antidote to teen depression is to have something to look forward

to... my depression and strange moods and Aspie like tendencies

resolved themselves to a large degree during my travels throughout

Europe and around the world in my late twenties...I certainly wasn't

living gluten and casein free, but looking back I was eating all

whole foods, getting a ton of excercise walking about sightseeing and

hiking and diving etc. O wasn't rich - far from it, but I made a

plan, made the money and went. My only regret in life is that I

never lived in Japan for awhile teaching english at one of those cool

ex pat colonies of kids doing just that. Life is big and his world

os too too small right now. Travel changed my life, my perspective,

my goals and dreams, and if I had continued eating here at home as I

did during that time of my life I truly believe my kiddo could have

dodged this autism bullet...YEAST is a huge part of what we are

recovering from in this house...but at least Matt's recovery is

taking months if not years less time than if we did not understand

that about his situation. Help your son understand what is happening

to him so he can choose to fight back if he wants, and don't assume

that he won't decide to try and beat it - the yeast and the bacteria

and possibly viruses that are running his life right now.

Tell your son that just bc his life is in the dumps now, it will not

always be that way...he has to figure out which foods make him feel

good, and which ones don't and have something exciting to look

forward to...for me it was travel. 2 years abroad changed my whole

life...and it seems my physiology too somewhat. O should never have

stgarted eating like an American again...You are dead on about the

yeast...and you can beat candida and clostridia IMO in 6 months to

one year to seal and heal his gut if he takes Valtrex to suppress

viruses that might be at the core of his yeast and bacteria issues

along with an antifungal initially, and then the Phase one diet from

Kaufman's work/books with Custom Probiotics, large doses, on board

and candicid forte 2 caps three times a day....

Please tell him to give it a go for six months, and plan and save for

a trip as a big bonus at the end of the trial run at healing

himself. He has an issue that can be overcome...he is very blessed.

Many are not so fortunate...I know it looks crappy right now, but

broaden his horizons a bit and change his perspective about his own

situation/future. A trip to India - cheap as chips from London -

might change forever the way he thinks about his " crappy " life and

future.....worked for me. Taj Mahal in the moonlight with Mom, and

don't say it is too expensive, it can never happen....anything is

possible, anything can happen. Maybe he needs a demonstration in the

POWER of the possible. If his thinking is small, the world is BIG and

waiting....And it is not nearly as $$ as one would think to go to

India....it is nothing once there and the food is stunning and

completely incredibly healthy...just think it over. Thailand from

the states is even cheaper and fantastic...do a loop and see Angor

Wat in Cambodia - all possible on a three week trip. He can teach

English there too, right out of High school or Junior college if he

plans ahead. Jump start his imagination. The only thing worse than

feeding his gut bugs is feeding his limiting beliefs about what a

GREAT life he can have and already has compared to MOST of the

world...he will learn that in India, Thailand, and Cambodia, if

nothing else. In a world where carpenters resurrect themselves,

anything is possible - my favorite line from The Lion in Winter...but

also a profound truth....if you demonstrate courage enough to act

upon it. b12valtrex , " Sally Averkamp "

wrote:

>

> Guys,

>

> My son (18 yrs, aspergers) has been on Lexapro for awhile for

> depression/violent behavior and it has helped a lot although

> definitley not a long range solution.

>

> I have come to believe the cause is yeast, too. That is what is

> causing inflamation of his brain and, thus, depression. What helps

> his mood are yeast reducing suppls/meds and something in Brainchild

> (not sure what but he becomes volitile when he is off it). He also

> get VERY depressed if he takes anything with OLE in it. I thought

he

> might have viral problems and put him on high-dose Virastop but I

saw

> no change with him. I have noticed that he gets more depressed when

> he eats pizza (ie. dairy intolerance but no teenager wants to hear

> that) so he takes enzymes when he eats dairy--actually when he eats

> any meal. I think those enzymes are part of the key. He is on a ton

> of suppls, probiotics, and enzymes.

>

> Our homeopathic doc says amino acids are a problem for him and that

> kinda makes sense since his mood can really be a roller coaster

> without frequent snacks. Even then, it seems some foods work better

> than others but we have yet to find out the key. I just ordered

some

> Amino Support from Kirkman hoping that will help or tell us

something.

>

> I am not surprised that Clostridia might cause violent moods as

yeast

> alone can do that; then add something even worse. . . The

homeopathic

> doc said to not push reducing the Lexapro, though, as this mood

stuff

> is so hard on him and I entirely concurr. He has a miserable life,

> for the most part. I can't even imagine how it would be like.

>

> sally

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Thanks!

> > > >

> > > > Cheryl, I know that you are doing NIDS, perhaps that is the

> > > direction

> > > > that we should go in. Again, today, my husband kicked my son

> off

> > > of

> > > > the computer, kicking, screaming and hitting him. He kicked

his

> > > older

> > > > sister in the stomach and punched her while she was trying to

> > help

> > > > him with something. He even pushes his teachers as well as

> > > strangers.

> > > > This scares the hell out of me and is why I think that it is

> time

> > > for

> > > > an SSRI of some sort. This all goes beyond die off. Both my

> > > husband

> > > > and I are on SSRI's and we are doing fabulously with them.

> > > >

> > > > I think that I would have better luck seeing the psychiatrist

> > > rather

> > > > than my pediatrician. We saw the psychiatrist only once while

> we

> > > were

> > > > in the process of diagnosing our son with autism. He might be

> > able

> > > to

> > > > get a better picture of what to give our son since he sees

kids

> > > like

> > > > our son all of the time.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks again,

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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I'm not trying to discourage you from the test I just want to make sure you understand that not everyone thinks the test is all that useful.  Yes, some have done the test and found it t be helpful but just an FYI:Not everyone thinks this is a good and clear measure of neurotransmitters in the brain.  The test is a blood and/or urine test.  Being that it is blood/urine, it can only measure the level of the neurotransmitters are in the blood/urine, not the brain.  The only way to know exactly how much is in the brain is through cerebrospinal fluid (which no one will do).  And yes, on this much, all the doctors can agree.  The only accurate test is CSF.  The usefulness of any other type of test is debatable and conjecture at this point.  CherylMy parents visited this weekend and they saw the violent side to our son again. He seemed o.k. today, so I feel like an idiot for calling the shrink. While my parents were here, however, my mom mentioned that our son could be suffering from bipolar disorder since she herself (as well as all of her sisters) suffers from it. I have a hunch that bipolar disorder is on my husband's side as well (although they won't recognize that any of them need help) That being said, an SSRI would be a bad choice for a person with bipolar. Any way I look at it, I think that a run with Culturelle and that neurotransmitter test are all in order. Is that neurotransmitter test a blood test?> > > > >> > > > > Thanks!> > > > > > > > > > Cheryl, I know that you are doing NIDS, perhaps that is the > > > > direction > > > > > that we should go in. Again, today, my husband kicked my son > > off > > > > of > > > > > the computer, kicking, screaming and hitting him. He kicked > his > > > > older > > > > > sister in the stomach and punched her while she was trying to > > > help > > > > > him with something. He even pushes his teachers as well as > > > > strangers. > > > > > This scares the hell out of me and is why I think that it is > > time > > > > for > > > > > an SSRI of some sort. This all goes beyond die off. Both my > > > > husband > > > > > and I are on SSRI's and we are doing fabulously with them.> > > > > > > > > > I think that I would have better luck seeing the psychiatrist > > > > rather > > > > > than my pediatrician. We saw the psychiatrist only once while > > we > > > > were > > > > > in the process of diagnosing our son with autism. He might be > > > able > > > > to > > > > > get a better picture of what to give our son since he sees > kids > > > > like > > > > > our son all of the time.> > > > > > > > > > Thanks again,> > > > >  > > > > >> > > >> > >> >>