Re: a Question high eosophinols

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My youngest who is far less effected has had high

eosophinols for the last 6 mos. Just today, we found

out it went up to 10. It just keeps going up and his

diet is pretty clean. We stopped the occasional dairy

free chocolate and it was still high. We just had the

meridian test redone and will soon find out if there

are new things he is allergic to. Dr. G thinks he is

" cheating " , but I don't. Now that it's summer, I'll

really know what he consumes as there is no more

school. Anyone else go thru this and able to share

your experience? What finally worked to bring it

down. He is also my night sweater. Barb

--- & Becky <beckeric@...> wrote:

> Hmmm....

> Anyone had chocolate (cocoa) cause eczema?

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This is an ongoing aggravation for my guy. He's always had high EOS counts

but we have seen a pattern of them lowering in January-March, only to shoot up

again in April/May. A few times they've also been higher when he's going

through a " die-off " period after starting a new med so I have to wonder if

things

that send the system out of balance like inhalants, neighborhood spraying or

whatever could also raise these?

In addition to the many many many trials off of various foods the doc

requests, strict food diaries, cutting the diet down to a bare minimum of foods,

I've

read up on EOS counts and found that parrasites and sometimes viral problems

can raise them as well as food allergies. I've talked to Dr. G about this but

he keeps insisting that it must be diet. We also get the " he must be

cheating " which absolutely doesn't happen.

I can understand the overall theory that if they're high the body is being

stressed, but honestly, after a year and a half of constantly working with this

with really nothing to show for it, I'm so tired of obsessing on EOSs

especially since I haven't seen a pattern of him doing better when they're

lower. In

fact, several times when he's been making really great progress and truly

seemed at his best, a blood test shows higher EOS counts.

Sorry, wish I could offer some help.

Gaylen

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In a message dated 6/13/2004 1:03:30 PM Central Standard Time,

rmwilson@... writes:

<<We have had a similar experience - and also debate the issue of the relative

amount of EOS in the system v's the abolute -- ie sometimes you can have a

high %, but if the overall white cell count has shifted to the lower side -

rather than the higher side (esp early in treatment if your child had high

aobslute white cell counts), then while the absolute count drops, the % can

still increase - that raises the question, what is more important - the

balance (ie %) or the EOS count in and of itself.>>

Have you discussed this with Dr. G? I have wondered about this as well since

my son's absolute EOS have been within the reference range listed, though on

the higher side. His overall white blood cell count has been within range but

on the lower side of the range. I wonder if this is a pattern with other

high EOS kids as well. It would be helpful for those with kids who have

chronically high EOS speak up and share other specifics on their kids to see if

we can

find some sort of pattern or maybe a subgroup.

<<his diet is consistent but we can have numbers from 2-8% over a 6 month

period on the same diet.>>

Wow, that's a pretty wide range. Have you charted it against how high

inhalant allergies are during high times and other factors? My son's have

typically

run between 5-9%, with the 5% always being in January and Feb when inhalant

allergies are low for our area and the higher ones being in the summer when

neighborhood bug and field spraying tends to be high. Not sure if these relate

but we now have two years+ of regular testing that seem to point to this.

<<The notion about parasites and other viral or bacterial activity in the gut

is important as mentioned by Gaylen below. EOS respond to " foreigners " in

the gut - parasites and bacteria and I suspect fungi too. Once we found

Giardia and the EOS were through the roof. Another time we found

Salmonella - he was not well I must say and EOS were up at 7%. >>

This is extremely interesting. We used to do regular stool tests through

Great Smokies on my kid and could always predict when he'd have an overgrowth of

some sort of bacteria because he'd have a regressive period. I haven't had

one run in several years though because his gut issues had seemed to clear up

and we haven't seen a regressive period that we couldn't tie to one of the meds.

However, as his body gets healthier and he becomes higher function his

progress is much more subtle so perhaps his regressive periods are more subtle

as

well. Dr. G has a low opinion of Great Smokies and poo poos the theory of

pathogenic bacteria contributing to the kids' problems but we did see a clear

pattern years ago. I think I'll ask our ped to run a test to check since Curt's

EOS just jumped to 7% after 3 rounds at 5%.

<<Also we suspect that when the anti-fungal is wearing off, then EOS can go

up. We

have tracked this and there seems to be a co-relation but not conclusive.>>

I was wondering that as well. We've never seen a clear improvement on

antifungals and the tests always show negative but he's been on Lamisil for six

months now so I wonder if this may mildly or subtly contribute to overall

allergy

load. Doesn't Dr. G usually change antifungals every 6 months?

Gaylen

[Guest guest]

We have had a similar experience - and also debate the issue of the relative

amount of EOS in the system v's the abolute -- ie sometimes you can have a

high %, but if the overall white cell count has shifted to the lower side -

rather than the higher side (esp early in treatment if your child had high

aobslute white cell counts), then while the absolute count drops, the % can

still increase - that raises the question, what is more important - the

balance (ie %) or the EOS count in and of itself. I keep hearing both. That

probabaly doesn't help you in deciding what do to about it. Our guy doesn't

cheat eating - and his diet is consistent but we can have numbers from

2-8% over a 6 month period on the same diet.

The notion about parasites and other viral or bacterial activity in the gut

is important as mentioned by Gaylen below. EOS respond to " foreigners " in

the gut - parasites and bacteria and I suspect fungi too. Once we found

Giardia and the EOS were through the roof. Another time we found

Salmonella - he was not well I must say and EOS were up at 7%. Also we

suspect that when the anti-fungal is wearing off, then EOS can go up. We

have tracked this and there seems to be a co-relation but not conclusive.

Its worth getting a standard stool test done every 6 months or so for

parasites, bacteria, candida etc. Mostly its fine but twice we have found

things that need immediate treatment. It does then elminate other

posibilities and provides some peace of mind

hope this helps,

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In addition to the many many many trials off of various foods the doc

requests, strict food diaries, cutting the diet down to a bare minimum of

foods, I've

read up on EOS counts and found that parrasites and sometimes viral problems

can raise them as well as food allergies. I've talked to Dr. G about this

but

he keeps insisting that it must be diet. We also get the " he must be

cheating " which absolutely doesn't happen.

<snip>

Sorry, wish I could offer some help.

Gaylen