Re: Vicki- no pill can fix it

April 20, 2003

In a message dated 4/20/03 7:39:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

ellie_aussiegirl@... writes:

Hey Ellie,

Thanks for the heads up. I dont mix them though. I did find I had to up the

doze of St. s wort from teh recommended and tested dose. But as I said,

that second brand I tried worked really well. Clearly I chose to stay with

that brand.

Anyways, we all find what works for us........

Malene

> I was on St 's wart to begin with. I think it

> helped, but when things exploded, I became deeply

> depressed. and it just wasn't enough. When I do go off

> my antidepressants (hopefully one day!) I will go back

> on St 's wart for a while. Just make sure you

> don't mix them, they are contraindicated.

>

> ciao

> Ellie

>

April 20, 2003

--- randerdk1@... wrote:

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In a message dated 4/20/03 11:18:58 AM Pacific

Daylight Time,

positivevibesss@... writes:

Hey Barb,

If you are worried about side effects from anti

depressants have you tried st. johns wort? It has

worked miracles for me. But watch out for the

different brands of st. johns wort. The first brand I

tried did absolutely nothing, then I tried another

brand, and WOW the effect happened so quickly.

Not a single side effect that I could detect either.

Just a thought.

Warm regards

Malene

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I was on St 's wart to begin with. I think it

helped, but when things exploded, I became deeply

depressed. and it just wasn't enough. When I do go off

my antidepressants (hopefully one day!) I will go back

on St 's wart for a while. Just make sure you

don't mix them, they are contraindicated.

ciao

Ellie

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April 20, 2003

--- randerdk1@... wrote:

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In a message dated 4/20/03 11:18:58 AM Pacific

Daylight Time,

positivevibesss@... writes:

Hey Barb,

If you are worried about side effects from anti

depressants have you tried st. johns wort? It has

worked miracles for me. But watch out for the

different brands of st. johns wort. The first brand I

tried did absolutely nothing, then I tried another

brand, and WOW the effect happened so quickly.

Not a single side effect that I could detect either.

Just a thought.

Warm regards

Malene

.............................................

I was on St 's wart to begin with. I think it

helped, but when things exploded, I became deeply

depressed. and it just wasn't enough. When I do go off

my antidepressants (hopefully one day!) I will go back

on St 's wart for a while. Just make sure you

don't mix them, they are contraindicated.

ciao

Ellie

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- Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile.

April 20, 2003

I hope that no one has taken my posts to mean that I think antidepressants have

been my only answer. What they have done is helped me to step back from my

depression and not get stuck in the hopelessness I would feel. I have had to

make lots of other changes in my actions and thoughts to live in a world that

has a nada in it. My meds have not sugar coated anything.

I do think depression and anxiety is chemical and I do think it is hereditary.

I have had 3 episodes of major depression in my life when I wasn't on

medication. I've been told by my T and by my MD that I should plan on being on

medication for the rest of my life. That's fine with me, I don't ever want to

go back to where I was. What the medication has done for me is to stop the

downward spiral till I felt I was at rock bottom. Even with the meds I still

feel angry, sad, etc. that this is the mother I have and I have to deal with her

crazy actions. But with the meds I can see beyond that. Maybe I've grown

enough that I could deal with her crazy making without meds, but I don't want to

go back to the days where I lie in bed all day, not getting dressed, and wishing

I had the guts to kill myself, because I don't want to get out of bed and face

another day. My feelings didn't stop at my nada, they extended into my whole

family. I couldn't be the wife I should be, I couldn't be the mother I should

be, I couldn't be the daughter I should be, I couldn't be the employee I should

be on and on and on. So for me I'm going to stay on them so I can own my

emotions, yet still keep them in perspective.

I wonder though, why you felt you needed to play " Devils Advocate " .

Re: Vicki- no pill can fix it

> Hi Vicki:

>

> I agree for the most part that no pill can fix it.

Hi Barb,

I feel much like you do and agree with your method's for recovery.

I was really just playing " Devil's Advocate " with my post because I

do think the truth is the truth and we have to own our emotions in

order to NOT become what it is that we hate.

Happy Easter Everyone and Let's all have a good day in the Lord.

April 20, 2003

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> I wonder though, why you felt you needed to play " Devils

Advocate " .

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Hi ,

Good question, I wondered the same thing. This has been a rough

weekend for me, maybe that has something to do with it. You know,

sort of being a smart ass (pardon the expression) and then falling

apart. Alot of mixed feelings trying to except that, what once was

is gone or maybe never even was.

The scarry part is that I have a mother and a daughter who have

deceided their secrets are more important then people. My heart

breaks for my granddaughter, she has so much to overcome and it was

unnecessary. Why can't I just say it like it is, Damn thoes NBP

people for the self centered damage they have inflected on the people

that I love. I hurt for my child and my grandchildren and I hurt

for me. I have yet to find the compassion to hurt for them.

Vicki

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April 20, 2003

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> I wonder though, why you felt you needed to play " Devils

Advocate " .

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Hi ,

Good question, I wondered the same thing. This has been a rough

weekend for me, maybe that has something to do with it. You know,

sort of being a smart ass (pardon the expression) and then falling

apart. Alot of mixed feelings trying to except that, what once was

is gone or maybe never even was.

The scarry part is that I have a mother and a daughter who have

deceided their secrets are more important then people. My heart

breaks for my granddaughter, she has so much to overcome and it was

unnecessary. Why can't I just say it like it is, Damn thoes NBP

people for the self centered damage they have inflected on the people

that I love. I hurt for my child and my grandchildren and I hurt

for me. I have yet to find the compassion to hurt for them.

Vicki

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April 21, 2003

Holidays are so hard for me. I hate them. Try telling people why you hate

Christmas. They all think I'm a Scrooge. But there are too many negative

memories for me. I spent many years feeling compassion for nada and none for

me. I was brainwashed from an early age. She gave me the message that I was

nothing and if I wasn't her caretaker I would be all alone. I was so scared to

give up the secrets because I knew she was right and no one else could " love "

me. For many years my nada had me FOGged in and she built a circle around

herself and me so I could be her champion and caretaker. I'm so glad the rest

of the family waited for me outside the FOG so that when my nada's demands

became too much for me to bear they could help me pick myself up.

I don't know how I feel for my nada now. Some days it's anger, other days it's

acceptance. But I know that I have separated from her and I don't every want to

be sucked in again.

>

> I wonder though, why you felt you needed to play " Devils

Advocate " .

>

Hi ,

Good question, I wondered the same thing. This has been a rough

weekend for me, maybe that has something to do with it. You know,

sort of being a smart ass (pardon the expression) and then falling

apart. Alot of mixed feelings trying to except that, what once was

is gone or maybe never even was.

The scarry part is that I have a mother and a daughter who have

deceided their secrets are more important then people. My heart

breaks for my granddaughter, she has so much to overcome and it was

unnecessary. Why can't I just say it like it is, Damn thoes NBP

people for the self centered damage they have inflected on the people

that I love. I hurt for my child and my grandchildren and I hurt

for me. I have yet to find the compassion to hurt for them.

Vicki

April 21, 2003