Re: Testing Rife Frequencies on Bacterial Cultures

[Guest guest]

--- " Dr. Whiting " wrote:

> Has anyone had any experience in testing Rife

> frequencies on bacterial cultures? It occurred to

> me that various bacteria can be grown on various

> culture material (e.g., blood or chocolate agar).

> Once cultured, the various bacteria can be

> identified by their appearance and Rife frequencies

> can be tested against disc-impregnated antibiotics

> in separate petri dishes for susceptibility.

> Standard laboratory procedures would be necessary to

> accomplish this bacterial culturing procedure since

> it requires access to culturing material, incubation

> equipment and filter paper antibiotic discs.

> Plasma-type and pad-type Rife equipment could be

> tested against the antibiotic sensitivity to the

> various bacteria. This seems to me to be a possible

> way of evaluating Rife frequencies ability to kill

> various bacteria. Your thoughts?

>

> Dr. Bob

You're absolutely right Bob. Standard laboratory

procedures are what is needed to test frequencies. All

that's really needed is someone with the training and

resources to do it.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

Dr. Bob,

With todays instruments it is going to be a lot simpler to take

advantage of the " Bioelectric Effect " between pulsed EM fields and

antibiotics. No one has run tests yet to show some sort of frequency

response window to this effect. I suspect such a window exists and

will vary based upon the organism, the concentration of the

antibiotic,the field strength, and application time. The bioelectric

effect is when one combines antibiotics with pulsed EM fields, the

concentration of antibiotics necessary to kill the test culture is

significantly diminished.

Jim Bare

>Has anyone had any experience in testing Rife frequencies on

>bacterial cultures? It occurred to me that various bacteria can be

>grown on various culture material (e.g., blood or chocolate agar).

>Once cultured, the various bacteria can be identified by their

>appearance and Rife frequencies can be tested against

>disc-impregnated antibiotics in separate petri dishes for

>susceptibility. Standard laboratory procedures would be necessary to

>accomplish this bacterial culturing procedure since it requires

>access to culturing material, incubation equipment and filter paper

>antibiotic discs. Plasma-type and pad-type Rife equipment could be

>tested against the antibiotic sensitivity to the various bacteria.

>This seems to me to be a possible way of evaluating Rife frequencies

>ability to kill various bacteria. Your thoughts?

>

>Dr. Bob

>

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[Guest guest]

Dr. Bob.. I have hundreds of hours of this, all unsuccessful in

hampering the growth of one of the safe strains of e.coli. Three tests

out of perhaps a hundred DID show a marked reduction in the growth rate,

but were not reproducible using the same frequencies and times and

conditions (and unknown why..)

Having said that, I am assured by three different people that they have

killed e.coli in culture with Plasma Lamp emissions. One of those was

kind enough to send me the protocol used, and I hope to redo those tests

this summer, but with a microscope slide and videocamera rather than

measuring the culture densities, which take a huge amount of time. If

the correct protocol is found, I'll redo the cell culture density

experiments.

If you'd like to email me privately, we can discuss this more..

Dave Felt

DFE Research

Dr. Whiting wrote:

> Has anyone had any experience in testing Rife frequencies on bacterial

cultures? It occurred to me that various bacteria can be grown on various

culture material (e.g., blood or chocolate agar). Once cultured, the various

bacteria can be identified by their appearance and Rife frequencies can be

tested against disc-impregnated antibiotics in separate petri dishes for

susceptibility. Standard laboratory procedures would be necessary to accomplish

this bacterial culturing procedure since it requires access to culturing

material, incubation equipment and filter paper antibiotic discs. Plasma-type

and pad-type Rife equipment could be tested against the antibiotic sensitivity

to the various bacteria. This seems to me to be a possible way of evaluating

Rife frequencies ability to kill various bacteria. Your thoughts?

>

> Dr. Bob

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>You're absolutely right Bob. Standard laboratory

>procedures are what is needed to test frequencies. All

>that's really needed is someone with the training and

>resources to do it.

So ... if someone were to do the long-awaited standardized tests,

what equipment specs, signal makeup, and bacteria strain would have

the best chance of producing a result? To my mind, it needs to be

frequency specifc to be vaild. That means other frequencies of

similar intensity are also demonstrated not to work. Anyone can zap a

petri dish with DC.

Nielsen

[Guest guest]

Nielsen wrote:

> So ... if someone were to do the long-awaited standardized tests,

> what equipment specs, signal makeup, and bacteria strain would have

> the best chance of producing a result? To my mind, it needs to be

> frequency specifc to be vaild. That means other frequencies of

> similar intensity are also demonstrated not to work. Anyone can zap a

> petri dish with DC.

>

> Nielsen

>

>

DC is not " other frequencies " and would be hard to induce upon a petri

dish without some physical connection, eh?

I'm not so sure it needs to be proven that other frequencies do not

work. After all, if you use the analogy of breaking a wine glass by

vibrating hard enough it at its resonant frequency, wouldn't the wine

glass still break at an off-resonant frequency if the intensity was high

enough? Does an earthquake have to vibrate a building at its resonant

frequency in order to make it crumble?

[Guest guest]

Hi: Dave. The fastest way to do this is with bacterial dip slides,

but they are around 3 bucks a test. This way you do not have to

worry about sterile agar, or trying to count colonies under a

microscope. But the bacteria you are working with needs to

be catalyse positive for the indicator on the dip slide to work.

I also often wonder if some of the Rife effect under the microscope

or in dishes,or even skin conditions was not from pulsed UV if the

raytube was close to the sample. This was quite possible since Rife

used quartz for the raytube,slides and dishes. Pulsed UV can have a

stronger effect than steady state UV.

In one of the letters I think from Milbank

they were worried that they just may be getting a

surface killing effect, at least at one point in time.

Beamray/Old Mike

> > Has anyone had any experience in testing Rife frequencies on

bacterial cultures? It occurred to me that various bacteria can be

grown on various culture material (e.g., blood or chocolate agar).

Once cultured, the various bacteria can be identified by their

appearance and Rife frequencies can be tested against disc-

impregnated antibiotics in separate petri dishes for susceptibility.

Standard laboratory procedures would be necessary to accomplish this

bacterial culturing procedure since it requires access to culturing

material, incubation equipment and filter paper antibiotic discs.

Plasma-type and pad-type Rife equipment could be tested against the

antibiotic sensitivity to the various bacteria. This seems to me to

be a possible way of evaluating Rife frequencies ability to kill

various bacteria. Your thoughts?

> >

> > Dr. Bob

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Mike, that's why I was using e.coli, which are very motile and visible.

Make a culture with luria broth, innoculate it from a slant tube,

incubate till a colony is visible (cloudy), place a drop on a slide with

cover plate (gads, I don't know where my slides or covers are..), pop

under the microscope and image the bacteria at a minimum of 400x (600x

better), turn on the plasma lamp, select what frequencies are to be

used, and watch and see.

One researcher said somewhere between 20khz and 30 Khz just killed them

dead (So keep the raw culture far away!) Not planning to use any

indicator or stain. I don't use quartz, generally, so UV wuldn't be an

issue, BUT, it's a good point, so perhaps the Plasma Lamp should be

blocked by paper to cut the UV. Easy to try both ways.. Thanks,

Dave

beamray53 wrote:

> Hi: Dave. The fastest way to do this is with bacterial dip slides,

> but they are around 3 bucks a test. This way you do not have to

> worry about sterile agar, or trying to count colonies under a

> microscope. But the bacteria you are working with needs to

> be catalyse positive for the indicator on the dip slide to work.

>

> I also often wonder if some of the Rife effect under the microscope

> or in dishes,or even skin conditions was not from pulsed UV if the

> raytube was close to the sample. This was quite possible since Rife

> used quartz for the raytube,slides and dishes. Pulsed UV can have a

> stronger effect than steady state UV.

> In one of the letters I think from Milbank

> they were worried that they just may be getting a

> surface killing effect, at least at one point in time.

> Beamray/Old Mike

>

>

>>> Has anyone had any experience in testing Rife frequencies on

> bacterial cultures?

[Guest guest]

Stan Truman found that two Plamsa Lamp machines running a bit out of

phase was VERY effective; I don't know how the effectiveness was

determined, but I don't believe he was doing bacterial tests.

-Dave

> Dave: I do not believe that raytubes made from normal glass

> will pass UV, but the quartz that Rife used would.

> If you get to experiment again, you might want to try using two

> frequencies one variable, and if you have the equipment two different

> RF frequencies with one variable. Difference/beat/Tartini tones

> frequencies may work differently than a single frequency.

> Beamray/Old Mike

>

>

> >

> > Mike,

> that's why I was using e.coli, which are very motile and

> visible.

[Guest guest]

>We know that the frequencies in the lab

>notes are incorrect because his equipment was

>incapable of generating frequencies as high as some of

>those listed.

You say " know " , but IMO this is based upon three unverified

assumptions, being that: 1) no equipment other than the Kennedy's

were used, 2) they were not modified in some way, and 3) the

frequencies were not produced by an auxilliary means, such as

super-regenerative oscillation.

>The later frequency list that was made

>from the older machine to transfer to the newer #4

>machine also confirms this. The reason that one of

>the figures is in " wavelength " is because the

>wavemeter that he used to make the measurement was

>calibrated in meters.

So then why was one frequency given in Hz and the other in metres?

That's not consistent with your explanation.

>It's that simple. The use of a

>wavemeter also explains the higher harmonics that he

>picked up from the plasma tube.

Hoyland's frequency list may indeed be correct. But you are presuming

this is an error on Rife's part. How do we know he was not

consciously applying the higher harmonics he measured?

Nielsen

[Guest guest]

>The evidence indicates that the two frequencies

>involved are the MOR, and the fixed audio pulsing

>frequency. I mentioned that in my post.

Two, three, audio, fixed? Maybe.

>This idea of heterodyning two frequencies of light in

>the microscope is oft repeated without any supporting

>evidence, or knowledge of where the idea originates.

According to my study, it relates to the activity of second, or

monochromatic, beam of light admitted to the specimen. Optical

heterodyning is now a well established principle.

>This subject has been covered before. It may be one

>explanation, but we don't see the spark diathermy

>machine in the photo with the four wires.

Sure, but you don't see Rife either, or alot of other things. Rather

we could ask, _why_ was there a diathermy machine in his lab at all?

Such instruments are known to be capable of producing a range of

monopolar and bipolar waveforms, including damped sinusoidals.

>Where did you read this? Rife said he found his

>frequencies by " hunt and try " method, not any

>calculations.

To an extent. But, are you saying he knew nothing about resonant

wavelengths. That's a " predictive calculation " . My point was that he

is reported to have been surprised at how low the frequencies were.

Anyone operating on the resonance premise would be.

>The gating frequency that produced the damped wave in

>the lab film was an audio frequency, so it wouldn't

>function as a carrier.

I didn't say it was. The grid modulates the plate frequency. The

latter would be the carrier.

>I think you're reading a little too much into this.

>My understanding is that Rife wound some of his coils

>in his very earliest research, before he moved on to

>the Kennedy equipment.

This is conjectural. How do you know he didn't keep winding them?

>Yes, but if guys like Jim s and Jeff Garff had

>this attitude, we wouldn't have our present knowledge

>and understanding.

The " attitude " is healthy skepticism. Presumably, that is why they

challenged previous interpretations of the second Hartley in the

Gruner circuit. That's the way science works.

>A purely intellectual analysis is

>not enough; different configurations need to be

>actually tried out to see the real-world results. As

>an example, the audio circuit in the Gruner/Beam Ray

>machine did not give any indication that it was

>anything other than a simple audio circuit. Only

>after Jim s actually built and tested it was the

>spike wave revealed.

Agreed, and that's great. Perhaps this spike was intended to

substitute for the diathermy machine.

>(snip) We need to follow the clues

>that we have and test them out, not resign with the

>attitude that it's " overly optimistic " , based on

>purely intellectual analysis.

, it seems you are reading things into my posts, and then

responding with a fixed set of comfortable assumptions. Most of the

technical points I raised go addressed. For example, the question of

the low grid voltages. I don't really feel this is constructive. If

you would like to discuss anything, please provide additional

references or factual data. Otherwise, we just have a difference of

interpretation.

Nielsen

[Guest guest]

--- Nielsen wrote:

>

> >We know that the frequencies in the lab

> >notes are incorrect because his equipment was

> >incapable of generating frequencies as high as some

> of

> >those listed.

>

> You say " know " , but IMO this is based upon three

> unverified

> assumptions, being that: 1) no equipment other than

> the Kennedy's

> were used, 2) they were not modified in some way,

> and 3) the

> frequencies were not produced by an auxilliary

> means, such as

> super-regenerative oscillation.

I think that's a fundamental difference between you

and I. I try to proceed by the light of what _is

known_, not what isn't known. We do have indication

that Rife used equipment other than the Kennedy

machines before he got those, but all the evidence

shows that the Kennedy machines were what he used up

until the building of the #4 machine in 1935. If you

think or suspect otherwise, the burden of proof rests

on you. What evidence do you have that gives any

indication that he used equipment other than the

Kennedy machines? And what would be the purpose of

modifying them? The frequency list that Hoyland

measured doesn't show any frequency higher than what

the Kennedy machines were already capable of

generating, so there would be no point in modifying

them for higher frequency capability. If that were

the case, he could have just found machines that

already had the higher frequency capability.

In regard to your further baseless speculation that

the frequencies might have been generated by

super-regenerative oscillation, I'll excerpt a post

from 2002 by Aubrey Scoon, in answer to my comments

along this same line:

" You don't understand super-regeneration. I don't

blame you, most professional engineers don't

understand super-regen. It is impossible for the

quench frequency of a super-regen circuit to be higher

than the carrier frequency. If it was, the machine

would never oscillate at all because the wave would

get quenched before it had ever built up even a single

cycle! So if the CPS was the base signal and the WSR

was the quench then the machine couldn't have worked

at all for BX for example where the WSR is roughly 1

1/2 times GREATER than the base signal.

Super regen is an amplification technique, it is only

used for amplifying extremely weak signals, it has no

practical use as an oscillator and is specifically

designed not to go into oscillation. There is no

conceivable reason how or why Rife's original signal

would have been so weak (we're talking microvolts here

or less) that it required super regen amplification.

Plus super-regen is horrendously sensitive and noisy.

If the machine input was super-regenerative it would

have pumped out terrible electrical noise and in which

case we could never be sure if ANY figure listed had

any relation at all to any real MOR. "

I think these remarks by Aubrey Scoon thoroughly show

the impossibility of the super-regenerative oscillator

theory. As I indicated, I believed this idea too back

in the dark ages; but the new information and

interpretations we have are far more " workable " . If

you have something contrary to say, the burden of

proof rests on you. Build a super-regenerative

oscillator and set it to figures mentioned in the BX

lab note and report back to us.

> >The later frequency list that was made

> >from the older machine to transfer to the newer #4

> >machine also confirms this. The reason that one of

> >the figures is in " wavelength " is because the

> >wavemeter that he used to make the measurement was

> >calibrated in meters.

>

> So then why was one frequency given in Hz and the

> other in metres?

> That's not consistent with your explanation.

Because the other wavemeter was calibrated in cycles

per second. Why don't you ask why there is only one

frequency listed in the frequency chart that Hoyland

made?

> >It's that simple. The use of a

> >wavemeter also explains the higher harmonics that

> he

> >picked up from the plasma tube.

>

> Hoyland's frequency list may indeed be correct. But

> you are presuming

> this is an error on Rife's part. How do we know he

> was not

> consciously applying the higher harmonics he

> measured?

Rife's comments regarding harmonics would tend to

preclude this. He said that some of the frequencies

he found may be harmonics, the context indicating that

he meant sub-harmonics. He said that if he had the

true frequency that it would work better, because

there would be more power in it. If he was trying to

get a higher frequency, he would have just ran that

frequency directly. At any rate, it's a moot point

because even if he was trying to consciously apply

higher harmonics, he would still have to focus on what

the frequency machine could generate, so he could

reproduce it.

As I've said before, I think it's much better to

harmonize our interpretations with the bigger, overall

picture, rather than latching onto minutiae and giving

them more significance than is warranted. The newer

interpretations presented in Jeff's paper may not be

the final word, but they are far more coherent and

practical than what was before. I don't see any

substance at all in your speculations.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

--- Nielsen wrote:

>

> >The evidence indicates that the two frequencies

> >involved are the MOR, and the fixed audio pulsing

> >frequency. I mentioned that in my post.

>

> Two, three, audio, fixed? Maybe.

Are you making a point here or just being a

contrarian?

> >This idea of heterodyning two frequencies of light

> in

> >the microscope is oft repeated without any

> supporting

> >evidence, or knowledge of where the idea

> originates.

>

> According to my study, it relates to the activity of

> second, or

> monochromatic, beam of light admitted to the

> specimen. Optical

> heterodyning is now a well established principle.

Maybe so, but it has nothing to do with the Rife

microscope. The Risley prism unit is for bending the

angle of incidence of the light to select a specific

wavelength. It has nothing to do with heterodyning

two ultraviolet wavelengths to get a visible

wavelength, as has been claimed. I've shone a laser

through a Risley prism unit and it's very clear to see

how the beam of light moves from side to side.

> >This subject has been covered before. It may be one

> >explanation, but we don't see the spark diathermy

> >machine in the photo with the four wires.

>

> Sure, but you don't see Rife either, or alot of

> other things. Rather

> we could ask, _why_ was there a diathermy machine in

> his lab at all?

> Such instruments are known to be capable of

> producing a range of

> monopolar and bipolar waveforms, including damped

> sinusoidals.

Actually, to be more precise, we don't know that it

was a diathermy machine. I was told by Jeff Behary of

the electrotherapy museum that it looked like a spark

telegraph wall plate. At any rate, I don't know what

point you're trying to make, since we already know

from the lab film that there was a damped waveform.

> >Where did you read this? Rife said he found his

> >frequencies by " hunt and try " method, not any

> >calculations.

>

> To an extent. But, are you saying he knew nothing

> about resonant

> wavelengths. That's a " predictive calculation " .

I didn't say he knew nothing about resonant

wavelengths; I quoted Rife's description of what he

did. He gave no mention of " predictive calculation " .

> My

> point was that he

> is reported to have been surprised at how low the

> frequencies were.

> Anyone operating on the resonance premise would be.

I'll ask you again, where is this reported?

<snip>

> >I think you're reading a little too much into this.

> >My understanding is that Rife wound some of his

> coils

> >in his very earliest research, before he moved on

> to

> >the Kennedy equipment.

>

> This is conjectural. How do you know he didn't keep

> winding them?

Because it was stated that he wasn't interested in

that part of the work. Why did he have other people

repair his machines and design new ones if he was so

good at doing all that himself?

> >Yes, but if guys like Jim s and Jeff Garff had

> >this attitude, we wouldn't have our present

> knowledge

> >and understanding.

>

> The " attitude " is healthy skepticism. Presumably,

> that is why they

> challenged previous interpretations of the second

> Hartley in the

> Gruner circuit. That's the way science works.

That comment was in response to your comment that it

is " overly optimistic to attempt to " explode "

pathogens within the body using one frequency, let

alone a far lower harmonic of the resonant

wavelength. " With the level of " healthy skepticism "

that you display, nobody will ever get around to

trying to " explode pathogens " .

<snip>

> >(snip) We need to follow the clues

> >that we have and test them out, not resign with the

> >attitude that it's " overly optimistic " , based on

> >purely intellectual analysis.

>

> , it seems you are reading things into my

> posts, and then

> responding with a fixed set of comfortable

> assumptions. Most of the

> technical points I raised go addressed. For example,

> the question of

> the low grid voltages. I don't really feel this is

> constructive. If

> you would like to discuss anything, please provide

> additional

> references or factual data. Otherwise, we just have

> a difference of

> interpretation.

Well , I read what you write. My responses are

based largely on things we know about Rife's work,

from the hard efforts of guys like Jeff Garff and Jim

s. You ask me to provide additional references

or factual data, but you don't do the same. It seems

that all you've been doing lately is just

" questioning " issues that have been reasonably well

demonstrated, without providing anything of substance

to support your questionings. I've been getting the

impression that your " healthy skepticism " is beginning

to go beyond that and is becoming more along the line

of contrarianism. You're an engineer and have built

devices. Why don't you just test out your theories

and speculations and report your results? If it's

overly optimistic to try to " explode " an organism with

just one frequency, do it the way you think it should

be done and report your results. What's wrong with

that proposition?

Regards,

[Guest guest]

[ Wrote]

I think that's a fundamental difference between you

and I. I try to proceed by the light of what _is

known_, not what isn't known.

[Ken Uzzell writes]

Well, from what is known with the latest document from Jeff

Dr Rife used a variable RF carrier between 400kHz to just over 1.6MHz

Dr Rife gated this carrier with a fixed audio signal.

I'm just trying to get my head around this so I can build a device that

mimicked what Dr Rife did.

I have a beautiful USB controlled DDS function generator that goes from 1Hz

to 85MHz with such a tiny error it is amazing how far technology has come.

Only +/- 10Hz at 85MHz, I hope to scope this soon to check this error

claim. USB powered it does a 5 volt peak to peak DC sine wave.

The tricky part is winding a coil that will have its Q around 950kHz so we

might be able to ignite a plasma tube between 400kHz and 1.6MHz. I guess an

engineer would know if this is possible. From my understanding Dr Rife used

2 transformers in his machine to do this?

It's no problem gating this variable RF with a fixed audio. We could even

use a variable audio that has a harmonic relation to the RF carrier. This

might generate a resonating signal, anything could happen here :-)

Should we be working at getting all this done via sine waves or can we

square them up? From my understanding Dr Rife was using a wave form closer

to sine waves than square waves.

If I am even close to being correct in the above, then it is clear we have

been doing everything in reverse to what Dr Rife did. No wonder it hasn't

been working as it worked for him. Although I must admit our machines are

working pretty fantastically.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if this new type of machine, much closer to what Dr

Rife used actually knock those pathogen stone cold dead. I bet this would

get you excited! It would be very easy to make this using electrodes, but a

little more difficult in getting the transformers right for plasma tube

work.

Question: Would a variable RF signal between 400kHz to 1.6MHz out a 60 watt

plasma tube get us in trouble with the government radio people who police RF

transmission?

Regards

Ken Uzzell

[Guest guest]

--- Ken Uzzell wrote:

> Well, from what is known with the latest document

> from Jeff

>

> Dr Rife used a variable RF carrier between 400kHz to

> just over 1.6MHz

Make that about 90 kHz to 2 MHz.

> Dr Rife gated this carrier with a fixed audio

> signal.

Correct.

> I'm just trying to get my head around this so I can

> build a device that

> mimicked what Dr Rife did.

>

> I have a beautiful USB controlled DDS function

> generator <snip>

>

> The tricky part is winding a coil that will have its

> Q around 950kHz so we

> might be able to ignite a plasma tube between 400kHz

> and 1.6MHz. I guess an

> engineer would know if this is possible. From my

> understanding Dr Rife used

> 2 transformers in his machine to do this?

If you want to build a machine with your DDS

generator, it would probably be best to build a class

A amplifier without any tuned circuits and drive the

plasma tube directly.

> It's no problem gating this variable RF with a fixed

> audio. We could even

> use a variable audio that has a harmonic relation to

> the RF carrier. This

> might generate a resonating signal, anything could

> happen here :-)

Perhaps. It appears that the gating audio frequency

is for the purpose of switching the plasma on and off

to produce the spikes in the waveform. Ralph

Hartwell's work seems to confirm this:

http://w5jgv.com/rife/pulse1/pulse1.htm

> Should we be working at getting all this done via

> sine waves or can we

> square them up? From my understanding Dr Rife was

> using a wave form closer

> to sine waves than square waves.

It appears that the gating can be done with a narrow

duty cycle square wave. The MOR carrier wave is

sinusoidal.

> If I am even close to being correct in the above,

> then it is clear we have

> been doing everything in reverse to what Dr Rife

> did. No wonder it hasn't

> been working as it worked for him.

That's the way I see it. The present RF plasma

systems use a fixed high frequency carrier and

variable audio frequencies. Since the carrier is

supposed to be the MOR, that would explain why these

systems haven't been totally successful in producing

the Rife effect.

> Although I must

> admit our machines are

> working pretty fantastically.

No argument there. For me, it has never been an issue

of whether the modern machines work. There is more

than sufficient evidence that they do work. People

wouldn't continue to use them for so many years if

they didn't work.

> Wouldn't it be wonderful if this new type of

> machine, much closer to what Dr

> Rife used actually knock those pathogen stone cold

> dead. I bet this would

> get you excited!

That's an understatement if I ever heard one! ;^)

I've literally spent almost my entire adult life

researching this subject. When I first read about

Rife, all I wanted was to buy myself a " Rife machine "

for my own personal use. If I had known I would spend

this much time, effort, and money, I would have picked

up a novel instead. ;^)

> It would be very easy to make this

> using electrodes, but a

> little more difficult in getting the transformers

> right for plasma tube

> work.

We still don't know whether the frequencies in this

range will " do the business " without a plasma tube.

The first thing we need to do is get a definite Rife

effect, and then test out variations such as pad

machines.

> Question: Would a variable RF signal between 400kHz

> to 1.6MHz out a 60 watt

> plasma tube get us in trouble with the government

> radio people who police RF

> transmission?

It sure would! This is right across the entire AM

band. The Gruner/Beam Ray machine radiates for about

a half mile, right in the band that HAMs use. If any

were nearby, they would probably cause trouble, even

if they were cured by your broadcast.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

HI all,

As a point of interest, when scientists stimulated neurons with either a minor

physical " ping " , or a minor electrical shock, or a lethal knockout, the neurons

fired off electrically, and the signal was identical to the large spike one in

Ralphs photos.

From a surface electrode or handheld point of view, I have always utilised this

waveform in Electro systems eg TENS, Micro-current etc.

The large spike seems to make a huge difference to therapy results.

Kerry

Kind Regards,

Kerry G Tume

M.Ac.F. M.I.L.A. A.C.O.N.T.

www.tumelaser.com

Clini-Lase, Laser 3000 Therapeutic Lasers

PH: (61) 08 8327 0845

Mobile: 0431674910

Re: Testing Rife Frequencies on Bacterial Cultures

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[Guest guest]

Hi Kerry,

So there could be good value in building an electrode system with a variable

RF carrier gated by an audio signal. As we are dealing with Dr Rife's

specific frequencies, then a sine wave should do as we are not necessarily

using harmonics to do the work, but the exact MOR, although the gating audio

frequency may generate its own harmonics. It will be interesting to see how

this looks on an oscilloscope, and to see if the spike is generated with our

modern day technology. I know Jim Bare has place importance on the rising

spike of the B/R system as being an effect part of the transmission signal.

Looks like a beefy plasma transmission system is out, unless this new

information provided the key that does the trick that is looking for,

and if these little microbe critters start rolling over and dying, then it

would be worth the trouble of lining a room with Australian builders sarking

to create a cheap and easy faraday cage to earth the transmission and keep

it from interfering with the AM bandwidth to have an potent real Dr Rife

system.

If your knocking out cancers real quick, and working at 100% remissions,

then this would most definitely get oncology looking at this cure for all

diseases. Every hospital and doctors clinic would have a room for this

purpose. Even Mum's and Dad's at home could do a room for this therapy.

Imagine, no more threat from pathogens, what a wonderful, fearless world it

could be. Especially if its backed up by a resonance scanner that works to

find the exact MOR to start with. Cripies, this would change the face of

medicine and health care throughout the world.

Regards,

Ken Uzzell

http://heal-me.com.au

Re: Re: Testing Rife Frequencies on Bacterial Cultures

HI all,

As a point of interest, when scientists stimulated neurons with either a

minor physical " ping " , or a minor electrical shock, or a lethal knockout,

the neurons fired off electrically, and the signal was identical to the

large spike one in Ralphs photos.

From a surface electrode or handheld point of view, I have always utilised

this waveform in Electro systems eg TENS, Micro-current etc.

The large spike seems to make a huge difference to therapy results.

Kerry

Kind Regards,

Kerry G Tume

M.Ac.F. M.I.L.A. A.C.O.N.T.

www.tumelaser.com

Clini-Lase, Laser 3000 Therapeutic Lasers

PH: (61) 08 8327 0845

Mobile: 0431674910

[Guest guest]

Hello Ken,

Over this last week we have built a new AZ-58 that has a variable

tuning capacitor. This gives this new style of AZ-58 Ray tube

instrument a frequency range of 1.2MHz to 1.95MHz. This will keep us

out of the HAMs frequency range. The power output is less than the

Beam Rays instrument but this should keep use within a quarter mile

frequency range. This should not bother the AM radio stations because

the FCC allows neighborhood broadcasting of Radio and TV within a

quarter mile. The FCC would probably never approve of it but we may

be able to stay under the radar for those who want to use it anyway.

You also would probably not want to use it in an apartment building

or condominiums because it might mess up the neighbors TV or Radio.

If you have a basement this would be the best place to run it.

This new design will also allow us to use the fundamental frequency

of 1.604MHz which will have more power in it, instead of having to

heterodyne to get it. Even at this lower power output the 1.604MHz

will have twice the power output in it than the Beam Rays design.

This should be a big plus.

Jeff Garff

>

> Hi Kerry,

>

> So there could be good value in building an electrode system with a

variable

> RF carrier gated by an audio signal. As we are dealing with Dr

Rife's

> specific frequencies, then a sine wave should do as we are not

necessarily

> using harmonics to do the work, but the exact MOR, although the

gating audio

> frequency may generate its own harmonics. It will be interesting to

see how

> this looks on an oscilloscope, and to see if the spike is generated

with our

> modern day technology. I know Jim Bare has place importance on the

rising

> spike of the B/R system as being an effect part of the transmission

signal.

>

> Looks like a beefy plasma transmission system is out, unless this

new

> information provided the key that does the trick that is

looking for,

> and if these little microbe critters start rolling over and dying,

then it

> would be worth the trouble of lining a room with Australian

builders sarking

> to create a cheap and easy faraday cage to earth the transmission

and keep

> it from interfering with the AM bandwidth to have an potent real Dr

Rife

> system.

>

> If your knocking out cancers real quick, and working at 100%

remissions,

> then this would most definitely get oncology looking at this cure

for all

> diseases. Every hospital and doctors clinic would have a room for

this

> purpose. Even Mum's and Dad's at home could do a room for this

therapy.

> Imagine, no more threat from pathogens, what a wonderful, fearless

world it

> could be. Especially if its backed up by a resonance scanner that

works to

> find the exact MOR to start with. Cripies, this would change the

face of

> medicine and health care throughout the world.

>

> Regards,

> Ken Uzzell

> http://heal-me.com.au

>

>

> Re: Re: Testing Rife Frequencies on Bacterial

Cultures

>

> HI all,

>

> As a point of interest, when scientists stimulated neurons with

either a

> minor physical " ping " , or a minor electrical shock, or a lethal

knockout,

> the neurons fired off electrically, and the signal was identical to

the

> large spike one in Ralphs photos.

>

> From a surface electrode or handheld point of view, I have always

utilised

> this waveform in Electro systems eg TENS, Micro-current etc.

>

> The large spike seems to make a huge difference to therapy results.

>

> Kerry

> Kind Regards,

> Kerry G Tume

> M.Ac.F. M.I.L.A. A.C.O.N.T.

> www.tumelaser.com

> Clini-Lase, Laser 3000 Therapeutic Lasers

> PH: (61) 08 8327 0845

> Mobile: 0431674910

>

[Guest guest]

>This new design will also allow us to use the fundamental frequency

>of 1.604MHz which will have more power in it, instead of having to

>heterodyne to get it. Even at this lower power output the 1.604MHz

>will have twice the power output in it than the Beam Rays design.

>This should be a big plus.

>

>Jeff Garff

Do I understand correctly that, in this case, you are not wiring a

separate oscillator to each electrode for the heterodyning effect

mentioned in your paper? IOW you are now using a fixed audio

frequency gated RF? Please elaborate.

Nielsen

[Guest guest]

>As a point of interest, when scientists stimulated neurons with

>either a minor physical " ping " , or a minor electrical shock, or a

>lethal knockout, the neurons fired off electrically, and the signal

>was identical to the large spike one in Ralphs photos.

>

> From a surface electrode or handheld point of view, I have always

> utilised this waveform in Electro systems eg TENS, Micro-current etc.

The spike seems to be an electrotherapy mainstay dating back to the

early 1900's. The fast rise time makes it highly inductive. May I ask

if this is a _bipolar_ spike you are using, Kerry? If not, are you

aware of the effects upon tissue of a polarized waveform? Lily

designed a special waveform to address this. Without a discharge (or

relaxation) cycle, the electric charge simply builds up internally,

at which point any frequency stimulated effect diminishes. It also

promotes ion imbalance.

Nielsen

[Guest guest]

Perhaps I should simply clarify my observations with regard to Rife's

early equipment.

Some have claimed only the two Kennedy generators were used, thus

limiting frequencies to two. According to 's recent replies, the

secret of Rife's success is now due to a fixed audio and variable RF

component. IOW one effective CR frequency per pathogen. Presumably,

this interpretation is motivated by Jeff et al's yet unproven work

based upon the Beam Ray. Aside from the fact Jeff's proposed

mechanism actually requires three frequencies, I see a few

discrepencies historically.

Yes, a spike can arise within a plasma due to audio gating. The

result is similar to a shock wave, and will propagate beyond the

tube. However, a squarewave is normally indicated for this. The

Kennedy's, if unmodified, produced only sinewaves. Furthermore, the

shock wave would be highly bioactive. So why has no such signifcance

been accorded to the audio gating frequency, either in Rife's day or

the present? Why was it not used as the CR, or an harmonic thereof,

instead of being fixed?

Rife's lab reports disclose an " audiotron " plate voltage of 135 and

140V for two pathogens. Presumably, this applies to the RF power

amplifier. However, it is too low to ignite the plasma tube. This

implies a power source of higher voltage was connected in parallel,

and that it was possibly the origin of any spike or damped wave, not

fixed audio gating. This may have been a diathermy machine, or the

like. The plate voltage relates to the frequency given as a

wavelength, so it appears as if the cps frequency was applied to the grid.

Rife refers to the wavelength as the " super-regeneration " frequency.

If this is correct, it suggests the plate of the audiotron was

powered by a HV RF signal, not a DC B+ voltage. If so, where did this

signal come from, and why was it not applied via the generators, as a

modulated signal, to the grid? It seems to me a different effect was

intended, perhaps oscillatory, whether or not it involved super regeneration.

IMO the relationship between Hoyland's frequencies and those in

Rife's lab notes, expressed in cps and wavelength, is still

unresolved. Jeff's paper suggests they are related due to harmonics

generated within the plasma tube. My point is that Rife measured them

and knew they were being emitted. It is to these that he attributed

the effects of the machine, not the frequencies generated by the

Kennedy's. As points out, he also realized these were too low

to be the fundamental resonant frequencies of the pathogens tageted.

Hence, Hoyland's frequencies may be of no value unless the rest of

Rife's original setup is duplicated excactly.

I welcome any comment or corrections to the above.

Nielsen

[Guest guest]

; Your comments as always are very interesting.

One other commonality about Rife is two RF oscillators, on the #4, the

Gruner circuit and the two Kennedy receivers.

These of course can be used for at least two reasons.

1 Some pathogens needed two frequencies at once for a elimination

of the disease.

2 To create a diff frequency MOR by the use of two RF oscillators.

Looking at Rife from the perspective that two frequencies ran at the

same time are needed to kill some pathogens,seems to indicate that

the two oscillators are not used to create a difference frequency,

for normal opperation of the instrument.

I may have just talked myself out of the difference frequency

theory,unless there is some carrier that we are not sure of.

Mike

>

>

> >: The closest I can come using a spur calculator is a

> >harmonic at 11.78031 with an input of 1.604 and 16.59231 MHz.

> >But I believe that Jeff/ have pointed out that the 11.78 or

the

> >17.033 is wrong and should read 1.604.

>

> I understood the 1.604MHz was the output signal and the other two

> were inductively measured from the plasma tube. If so, that makes

> them complementary, not wrong or mutually exclusive. Furthermore,

> according to Rife's lab notes, the latter two appear to have been

> separate entities, and relate to different functions of the

circuit.

> It also appears two Kennedy receivers were used. How does this fit

> with the single frequency interpretation?

>

> >The use of a high voltage spike at an audio rate is consistant with

> >The Hoffman/Abrams dead beat oscillator, the electronic

Oscilloclast

> >also used an audio rate gating circuit to excite the RF oscillator.

>

> Yes, I pointed this out to the list, and Jeff, a long time ago as a

> possible Rife lineage. It was only subsequent to this that serious

> interest in damped waves seems to have developed. I was then

looking

> into this experimentally. There is a little circuit here which is

> simply an LM555, variable between 14-20KHz, switching a

complementary

> pair which drives a resonant coil. The oscillator can be gated with

> any frequency (squarewave) in the audio range via a computer

program.

> I used CoolEdit 2000. The resulting waveform is an audio gated

> ultrasonic damped wave with a ring frequency of about 2MHz. As a

> contact device, I found it to be more effective than a single

> frequency or basic AM.

>

> >The machine with AM modulaton and gating and Gruner

circuit

> >with RF difference frequencies and gating would emulate this

effect.

>

> I believe we are still waiting for confirmation from Jeff's group

> regarding the authenticity and clinical effectiveness of the Gruner

> heterodyning. As previously mentioned, I have doubts regarding

their

> re-interpretation of the diagram. To my mind, the most compelling

> thing to emerge so far is the presence of a damped wave. If I had

> access to their equipment, I would try using just this to power the

> tube and apply the CR frequency in parallel via a separate tunable

> (Hartley?) oscillator.

>

> >We can take s reference to the MOR's being a single

frequency

> >in the KC range, coupled with Hoylands measurements of the

> >dial settings versus frequency, to support the single frequency

> >theory.

>

> Yes, but these are two completely different frequency ranges. And

the

> possibility of supportive frequencies is not precluded. I recall

Rife

> stated, in one instance, a " carrier " was used, and that certain

> conditions required two frequencies or negative results would ensue.

>

> Nielsen

>

[Guest guest]

; Your comments as always are very interesting.

One other commonality about Rife is two RF oscillators, on the #4, the

Gruner circuit and the two Kennedy receivers.

These of course can be used for at least two reasons.

1 Some pathogens needed two frequencies at once for a elimination

of the disease.

2 To create a diff frequency MOR by the use of two RF oscillators.

Looking at Rife from the perspective that two frequencies ran at the

same time are needed to kill some pathogens,seems to indicate that

the two oscillators are not used to create a difference frequency,

for normal opperation of the instrument.

I may have just talked myself out of the difference frequency

theory,unless there is some carrier that we are not sure of.

Mike

>

>

> >: The closest I can come using a spur calculator is a

> >harmonic at 11.78031 with an input of 1.604 and 16.59231 MHz.

> >But I believe that Jeff/ have pointed out that the 11.78 or

the

> >17.033 is wrong and should read 1.604.

>

> I understood the 1.604MHz was the output signal and the other two

> were inductively measured from the plasma tube. If so, that makes

> them complementary, not wrong or mutually exclusive. Furthermore,

> according to Rife's lab notes, the latter two appear to have been

> separate entities, and relate to different functions of the

circuit.

> It also appears two Kennedy receivers were used. How does this fit

> with the single frequency interpretation?

>

> >The use of a high voltage spike at an audio rate is consistant with

> >The Hoffman/Abrams dead beat oscillator, the electronic

Oscilloclast

> >also used an audio rate gating circuit to excite the RF oscillator.

>

> Yes, I pointed this out to the list, and Jeff, a long time ago as a

> possible Rife lineage. It was only subsequent to this that serious

> interest in damped waves seems to have developed. I was then

looking

> into this experimentally. There is a little circuit here which is

> simply an LM555, variable between 14-20KHz, switching a

complementary

> pair which drives a resonant coil. The oscillator can be gated with

> any frequency (squarewave) in the audio range via a computer

program.

> I used CoolEdit 2000. The resulting waveform is an audio gated

> ultrasonic damped wave with a ring frequency of about 2MHz. As a

> contact device, I found it to be more effective than a single

> frequency or basic AM.

>

> >The machine with AM modulaton and gating and Gruner

circuit

> >with RF difference frequencies and gating would emulate this

effect.

>

> I believe we are still waiting for confirmation from Jeff's group

> regarding the authenticity and clinical effectiveness of the Gruner

> heterodyning. As previously mentioned, I have doubts regarding

their

> re-interpretation of the diagram. To my mind, the most compelling

> thing to emerge so far is the presence of a damped wave. If I had

> access to their equipment, I would try using just this to power the

> tube and apply the CR frequency in parallel via a separate tunable

> (Hartley?) oscillator.

>

> >We can take s reference to the MOR's being a single

frequency

> >in the KC range, coupled with Hoylands measurements of the

> >dial settings versus frequency, to support the single frequency

> >theory.

>

> Yes, but these are two completely different frequency ranges. And

the

> possibility of supportive frequencies is not precluded. I recall

Rife

> stated, in one instance, a " carrier " was used, and that certain

> conditions required two frequencies or negative results would ensue.

>

> Nielsen

>

[Guest guest]

, Mike; I think you guys are just running around

in circles and going nowhere. It seems that you don't

want to accept the explanations from people who are

actually building and testing systems based on the

available evidence, but you aren't building and

testing systems based on your own interpretations.

Regarding more than one frequency for an MOR, did you

miss the photo of just one Kennedy machine set up?

Did you miss the lab film where Rife set just one

oscillator? Did you miss the fact that Rife always

talked about the MORs in the singular? Did you miss

the fact that Siner's reading of the BX research

report mentioned a meters figure that was equal to the

CPS figure?

It seems that you guys need explanations that are more

complicated than is necessary. Each form of an

organism has a single frequency as its MOR,

notwithstanding the practical possibility that there

may be harmonics or other frequencies that are also

MORs for a particular form. But Rife was dealing with

just a single variable. If he had to adjust more than

one variable to get his MOR, it would have been

practically impossible to get anything done. He said

that it took him sometimes months to find a single

frequency, and that's working sometimes 16-20 hours a

day. The gating frequency, even if we granted that it

was variable, would had to have been inherent to the

system he was using. If he had to find a correct

combination of RF frequency or frequencies, and audio

gating frequency, it would have taken orders of

magnitude longer to find an MOR; it would have been

practically impossible.

The waveform tracing of the #4 machine on the lab film

shows that there was an audio gating frequency, but

there's no mention of it in the frequency charts that

Hoyland made. Rife just set the switch and dial for

one of the main oscillators and that was it. We also

now know that the tracing on the lab film was

reversed. We don't know whether the oscilloscope was

set to scan from right to left, or whether they

reversed it to hide the true waveform, but the linear

distortion on the left side definitely shows that it

is reversed from normal. That means that the waveform

was a damped form, and not an exponential growth pulse

as would be the case if it was super-regenerative.

Regarding the frequencies, we don't have a

good handle on those. We don't know that they came

shortly after the Beam Rays trial. The general idea

is that Rife was inactive during the war, and closed

his lab in 1946. It may be that the

frequencies were some type of gating or quenching

frequencies from the original machines that

misinterpreted as being MORs. At any rate, unless

someone can demonstrate the Rife effect with the

frequencies, they're not MORs. If you have

other theories regarding them, the only way you're

going to find out is if you build a device and test it

out.

On the point about some diseases needing two

frequencies, Rife said that he had found this to be

the case only with TB. He had to run the MOR for the

rod form and the filterable form to successfully treat

TB. But you don't need to run them simultaneously;

you could run them consecutively. It would just take

twice as long.

In my opinion, the explanations that have come out of

the work done by Jeff Garff and Jim s are

simpler, more coherent, and better fit the bigger

picture of what Rife was doing. We still don't have

the final word, but the new work has produced

workable, real-world devices. I'm still waiting for

your theories and speculations to produce some

functional hardware that can be tested. As Jim s

said, it's amazing how many little mysteries clear up

when you actually build and test something out.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

, Mike; I think you guys are just running around

in circles and going nowhere. It seems that you don't

want to accept the explanations from people who are

actually building and testing systems based on the

available evidence, but you aren't building and

testing systems based on your own interpretations.

Regarding more than one frequency for an MOR, did you

miss the photo of just one Kennedy machine set up?

Did you miss the lab film where Rife set just one

oscillator? Did you miss the fact that Rife always

talked about the MORs in the singular? Did you miss

the fact that Siner's reading of the BX research

report mentioned a meters figure that was equal to the

CPS figure?

It seems that you guys need explanations that are more

complicated than is necessary. Each form of an

organism has a single frequency as its MOR,

notwithstanding the practical possibility that there

may be harmonics or other frequencies that are also

MORs for a particular form. But Rife was dealing with

just a single variable. If he had to adjust more than

one variable to get his MOR, it would have been

practically impossible to get anything done. He said

that it took him sometimes months to find a single

frequency, and that's working sometimes 16-20 hours a

day. The gating frequency, even if we granted that it

was variable, would had to have been inherent to the

system he was using. If he had to find a correct

combination of RF frequency or frequencies, and audio

gating frequency, it would have taken orders of

magnitude longer to find an MOR; it would have been

practically impossible.

The waveform tracing of the #4 machine on the lab film

shows that there was an audio gating frequency, but

there's no mention of it in the frequency charts that

Hoyland made. Rife just set the switch and dial for

one of the main oscillators and that was it. We also

now know that the tracing on the lab film was

reversed. We don't know whether the oscilloscope was

set to scan from right to left, or whether they

reversed it to hide the true waveform, but the linear

distortion on the left side definitely shows that it

is reversed from normal. That means that the waveform

was a damped form, and not an exponential growth pulse

as would be the case if it was super-regenerative.

Regarding the frequencies, we don't have a

good handle on those. We don't know that they came

shortly after the Beam Rays trial. The general idea

is that Rife was inactive during the war, and closed

his lab in 1946. It may be that the

frequencies were some type of gating or quenching

frequencies from the original machines that

misinterpreted as being MORs. At any rate, unless

someone can demonstrate the Rife effect with the

frequencies, they're not MORs. If you have

other theories regarding them, the only way you're

going to find out is if you build a device and test it

out.

On the point about some diseases needing two

frequencies, Rife said that he had found this to be

the case only with TB. He had to run the MOR for the

rod form and the filterable form to successfully treat

TB. But you don't need to run them simultaneously;

you could run them consecutively. It would just take

twice as long.

In my opinion, the explanations that have come out of

the work done by Jeff Garff and Jim s are

simpler, more coherent, and better fit the bigger

picture of what Rife was doing. We still don't have

the final word, but the new work has produced

workable, real-world devices. I'm still waiting for

your theories and speculations to produce some

functional hardware that can be tested. As Jim s

said, it's amazing how many little mysteries clear up

when you actually build and test something out.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

>, Mike; I think you guys are just running around

>in circles and going nowhere. It seems that you don't

>want to accept the explanations from people who are

>actually building and testing systems based on the

>available evidence, but you aren't building and

>testing systems based on your own interpretations.

Thanks for the complements, . But no new information. Only those

pesky gophers making bumps in your nice even turf. The defensive

stance kind of shows. Not really conducive to new possiblities.

Gophers are cute and inquisitive. I don't think they need or

appreciate a lecture; let alone from a member of a group that

publishes hypotheses as fact. I am referring to the Beam Ray

heterodyning. Sure, it lights the tube, but what else? If it's so

revolutionary, why is Jeff not using it in his new design. Something

about " simplicity " ?

I am certainly aware of the historical " evidence " you list. There

could be any number of explanations for the discrepencies you choose

to see. I am also aware that your preferred interpretation has never

yielded the Rife effect. Typically, this is different from last

year's unequivocal interpretation. And on it goes, as speculative as

anyone else's, replete with rationalizations about any recent changes

in viewpoint. You must be the guy who is always right. Yes, we have

heard it all before. That's the point.

I hope people will not be put off sharing ideas here simply because

others seem to believe they have a monopoly on the truth. May I

suggest you adopt a more deferential attitude until you can deliver

the goods? IMO anyone who is interested in this topic deserves respect.

Contrary to your baseless insinuations, I do build and test equipment

based on the principles we have been discussing. This is what happens

to people who think they have all the facts. The idea that they do

becomes more important than the facts themselves.

Nielsen