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" The main reason that the MOR effect can't be reliably demonstrated today

is because virtually no one is trying to demonstrate it. I've been

listening to excuses for years. If you know of suitable amps and

generators that can run the original Rife frequency range, then I

wholeheartedly encourage you to set up a system and start trying to

demonstrate the effect. We need as many people as possible working on

this. I'm constantly regretting that I never learned electronics and

radio stuff. If I was a tech guy, I would build every configuration

possible until something " worked " .

In response to the above comment, I believe it a grossly unfair

statement and a put down to a lot of people who have spent thousands

of hours as well as dollars in self funded research trying to track

down this mystery. I have the highest respect for you and the work you

do plus the info you provide but lack of technical expertise does not

give you right to criticize others.

Since becoming involved in Rife research in March 2005 I have built

numerous devices with a fair share of successes and failures

continually looking for the missing link. The cost in hours and

dollars is enormous with no recompense at this stage because I am too

busy in research and do not have enough time to manufacture. I believe

the combined sharing of information is vital to an ultimate success

please do not stem the flow with statements born out of frustration.

Regards

Mike Fellows

> > There seems to differing views on whether or not the 1934 system used

> > a single frequency or modulated carrier. While the simplicity of the

> > former appeals, it also makes it hard for a technician to understand

> > why MOR's cannot be reliably demonstrated now. Suitable RF signal

> > generators and HV amps can be purchased eady made. Also, why were MHz

> > carriers adopted in subsequent versions?

>

>

>

> You're forgetting that the Kennedy machines are radio receivers, which

> were being used as oscillators. They are not transmitters. They don't

> have modulation circuitry, or audio input. They are for removing audio

> off of a carrier, not putting it on. The only way to get a modulation

> of sorts is to feed one of them into the antenna input of the other.

> The waveform doesn't look like a modulation envelope.

>

> The main reason that the MOR effect can't be reliably demonstrated

today

> is because virtually no one is trying to demonstrate it. I've been

> listening to excuses for years. If you know of suitable amps and

> generators that can run the original Rife frequency range, then I

> wholeheartedly encourage you to set up a system and start trying to

> demonstrate the effect. We need as many people as possible working on

> this. I'm constantly regretting that I never learned electronics and

> radio stuff. If I was a tech guy, I would build every configuration

> possible until something " worked " .

>

> The Beam Ray and later machines had a modulated carrier, most likely to

> conform to FCC regulations.

>

>

>

> > The MOR concept itself for in vivo applications also raises

> > questions. Imagine trying to resonate a speck in a bowl of jello,

> > canned fruit, and other types of specks. Most of the energy is

> > absorbed elsewhere. Additionally, the frequencies accepted as Rife's

> > own are no where near the actual wavelength of a virus. Surely, he

> > must have known this from the microsope work. Even then, equipment

> > was available to go much higher. Why did he limit himself to the

> > early MHz's, and insist the effect was due to resonance?

> >

> > This suggests to me something else must be involved. The original

> > frequencies and plasma tube seem to be well known. Assuming a single

> > frequency, the only other places to look are the amp and load

> > matching network. How much do we know about these?

>

>

>

> Something else may very well be involved. I have a bad intuitive

> feeling that it will turn out that the plasma tube is indispensable for

> the frequency range we're working in. It is most likely what allows us

> to get the resonance effect in the lower frequency range, instead of

> having to use a wavelength that is virus-sized. The reason I said it's

> a bad feeling is because it means that we wont be able to transfer the

> MOR effect from a plasma tube machine to a pad machine. I hope I'm

> wrong on this.

>

>

>

> > I am particularly interested in the network. Is there any evidence

> > one was used at all in 1934? It usually consists of a single

> > capacitor and inductor. If so, and given it was not tuned for each

> > frequency in a clinical setting, it is probable it had a purpose

> > other than impedance matching.

>

>

>

> I have seen no information regarding any tuning network on the old

> machine, and this is also proving to be a problem with Jim s'

> prototype. He said running the tube in the DC circuit lights the tube

> easily, but a lot of the intensity is just DC and doesn't contribute

> anything but heat and light. If you put DC blocking capacitors in, the

> efficiency is very low and he could hardly light the tube. This

> indicates that a tuning network of some sort may be needed to run this

> configuration in AC mode. Perhaps a hybrid setup combining properties

> of the #4 machine and the #3 machine is in order. Perhaps a custom

made

> balanced antenna tuner that can tune the Rife frequency range will be

> needed? We need the tech guys to come up with practical solutions.

>

>

>

> > And a related question, are we certain the same machine generated a

> > sine, and not square, wave as some have stated? If so, how?

>

>

> The tests done with the Kennedy machines show that it puts out pure

sine

> waves. This is in Jeff's paper.

>

> Regards,

>

>

>

>

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> And one would

> like to be absolutely sure Rife's own Kennedy receivers were not

> internally modified, or external components added. I look forward

to

> Jim s' results.

>

> >I have seen no information regarding any tuning network on the old

> >machine, and this is also proving to be a problem with Jim s'

> >prototype. (snip) This

> >indicates that a tuning network of some sort may be needed to run

this

> >configuration in AC mode.

>

> But doesn't this tend to suggest Rife _did_ use a network? Where

> might it be hiding? See my comment on damped waves below.

>

> >Perhaps a hybrid setup combining properties

> >of the #4 machine and the #3 machine is in order. Perhaps a

custom made

> >balanced antenna tuner that can tune the Rife frequency range

will be

> >needed? We need the tech guys to come up with practical solutions.

>

> A conventional fixed network covering then entire 200KHz to 2MHz

is

> not viable. And I see no LC tuning dials on the control panel of

any

> of Rife's commercial machines.

>

> >The tests done with the Kennedy machines show that it puts out

pure sine

> >waves. This is in Jeff's paper.

>

> This could easily be converted to a squarewave by over-driving the

> amplifier. My line of thinking is that an external tank circuit,

with

> fixed values, could then produce a damped waveform similar to the

> Oscilloclast. This, in effect, adds a dispersed RF carrier to the

> squarewave frequency without the appearence of conventional

> modulation hardware. Physically, it would look like an LC matching

> network but function differently.

>

> Nielsen

>

Hello ,

I highly doubt that Rife modified anything inside of the Kennedy

Receivers 110, 220 or 281. There is really nothing to modify. All

that is inside them is one tube and wound coils that are glued

together. Any modifying would ruin them. They are very simple in

there design.

It appears that Dr. Rife's five-stage-amplifier was most likely a

class A RC coupling cascade style amplifier that only produced about

12 watts. Daven Company built this type of amplifier back in the mid

s1920s and they were broad band. In none of the lab photos that have

the Kennedy equipment in them do we see any tank coils or any real

tuning capabilities. Cullen, Dr. Rife's friend since 1913,

said on the Rife CDs that Rife lit the ray tube with a separate

power source. We believe it was a DC power source because Rife was

using batteries at this time and Cullen mentioned polarizing the Ray

tube. This would make it so Rife could just input the frequencies

from the amplifier into the ray tube without needing to match the

impedance of the ray tube. This may not be very efficient but it

worked.

I also doubt that Dr. Rife used square wave in the 1920s and 1930s.

The reason for this is the 1942 Aubrey Scoon, Verne

instrument was sine wave. In this instrument both the carrier

frequency and the audio frequencies were sine wave. Verne

was brought into the picture after Dr. Rife and Philip Hoyland ended

their association. repaired all of the Beam Ray instruments

and knew how they worked. He was the one who built the 1942

instrument and the 1950's AZ-58. The AZ-58 is the first instrument

that we know of that used square wave audio frequencies modulated

onto a sine wave carrier. Crane mentioned that they went to

square wave at this time because they believed it worked better.

There are still some unknowns but I do not believe it is as complex

as we have tried to make it.

Best wishes

Jeff Garff

www.rifevideos.com

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Hi . Re the photo of the 'breadboard' transmitter with the 2

tubes visible at the rear.

I cant get this page to work but it was at:-

http://www.rife.org/rifemachphotos.html

Question. Is that transmitter R Rifes original transmitter ???

Thanks Noel...

> > There seems to differing views on whether or not the 1934 system

used

> > a single frequency or modulated carrier. While the simplicity of

the

> > former appeals, it also makes it hard for a technician to

understand

> > why MOR's cannot be reliably demonstrated now. Suitable RF signal

> > generators and HV amps can be purchased eady made. Also, why were

MHz

> > carriers adopted in subsequent versions?

>

>

>

> You're forgetting that the Kennedy machines are radio receivers,

which

> were being used as oscillators. They are not transmitters. They

don't

> have modulation circuitry, or audio input. They are for removing

audio

> off of a carrier, not putting it on. The only way to get a

modulation

> of sorts is to feed one of them into the antenna input of the

other.

> The waveform doesn't look like a modulation envelope.

>

> The main reason that the MOR effect can't be reliably demonstrated

today

> is because virtually no one is trying to demonstrate it. I've been

> listening to excuses for years. If you know of suitable amps and

> generators that can run the original Rife frequency range, then I

> wholeheartedly encourage you to set up a system and start trying to

> demonstrate the effect. We need as many people as possible working

on

> this. I'm constantly regretting that I never learned electronics

and

> radio stuff. If I was a tech guy, I would build every

configuration

> possible until something " worked " .

>

> The Beam Ray and later machines had a modulated carrier, most

likely to

> conform to FCC regulations.

>

>

>

> > The MOR concept itself for in vivo applications also raises

> > questions. Imagine trying to resonate a speck in a bowl of jello,

> > canned fruit, and other types of specks. Most of the energy is

> > absorbed elsewhere. Additionally, the frequencies accepted as

Rife's

> > own are no where near the actual wavelength of a virus. Surely,

he

> > must have known this from the microsope work. Even then,

equipment

> > was available to go much higher. Why did he limit himself to the

> > early MHz's, and insist the effect was due to resonance?

> >

> > This suggests to me something else must be involved. The original

> > frequencies and plasma tube seem to be well known. Assuming a

single

> > frequency, the only other places to look are the amp and load

> > matching network. How much do we know about these?

>

>

>

> Something else may very well be involved. I have a bad intuitive

> feeling that it will turn out that the plasma tube is indispensable

for

> the frequency range we're working in. It is most likely what

allows us

> to get the resonance effect in the lower frequency range, instead

of

> having to use a wavelength that is virus-sized. The reason I said

it's

> a bad feeling is because it means that we wont be able to transfer

the

> MOR effect from a plasma tube machine to a pad machine. I hope I'm

> wrong on this.

>

>

>

> > I am particularly interested in the network. Is there any

evidence

> > one was used at all in 1934? It usually consists of a single

> > capacitor and inductor. If so, and given it was not tuned for

each

> > frequency in a clinical setting, it is probable it had a purpose

> > other than impedance matching.

>

>

>

> I have seen no information regarding any tuning network on the old

> machine, and this is also proving to be a problem with Jim s'

> prototype. He said running the tube in the DC circuit lights the

tube

> easily, but a lot of the intensity is just DC and doesn't

contribute

> anything but heat and light. If you put DC blocking capacitors in,

the

> efficiency is very low and he could hardly light the tube. This

> indicates that a tuning network of some sort may be needed to run

this

> configuration in AC mode. Perhaps a hybrid setup combining

properties

> of the #4 machine and the #3 machine is in order. Perhaps a custom

made

> balanced antenna tuner that can tune the Rife frequency range will

be

> needed? We need the tech guys to come up with practical solutions.

>

>

>

> > And a related question, are we certain the same machine generated

a

> > sine, and not square, wave as some have stated? If so, how?

>

>

> The tests done with the Kennedy machines show that it puts out pure

sine

> waves. This is in Jeff's paper.

>

> Regards,

>

>

>

>

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Hi . Thanks for the info on the 'breadboard' transmitter. If it

was the No.3 then was it the 'old scrips ranch' transmitter ?

Also can you tell me how R Rife connected the receivers in

superegeneration he had on hand to the other transmitter you mentioned?

Just wondering. Thankyou Noel

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silverlofts wrote:

> Hi . Thanks for the info on the 'breadboard' transmitter. If it

> was the No.3 then was it the 'old scrips ranch' transmitter ?

The " breadboard " machine was most likely something built after the #4

machine. The #3 " Scripps " machine is the one we have identified in

Jeff's paper.

> Also can you tell me how R Rife connected the receivers in

> superegeneration he had on hand to the other transmitter you mentioned?

> Just wondering. Thankyou Noel

As pointed out in the paper, there was no superregeneration, in the

proper sense. What Rife called superregeneration was nothing more than

turning up the regeneration on the regenerative receiver, so that it

self-oscillated. In other words, by cranking up the regeneration (or

" super " regenerating) beyond what would be done for receiving, he was

using the receiver as a frequency generator. That's all there is to it.

What we have been doing all these years is reading in the lab notes,

" wavelength of superregeneration of audion tube " , and interpreting that

as, " wavelength of the superregenerative audion tube " . As we now know,

the Kennedy receivers that Rife was using to generate his frequencies

are regenerative, not superregenerative. This one little point has been

a great clarification.

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How frequencies may affect viruses is probably indirect. Viruses depend

upon lowered cell membrance potentials to invade, replicate, and escape

from the host cell.Application of frequencies may increase plasma membrane

charges and thus affect viral action. At some point in time, some one may

be able to demonstrate that by exposing a cell culture inoculated with a

virus and seeing if there is a blocking effect.

Pulsed EM fields also stimulate the production of Heat Shock Proteins (

HSP's). HSP's can act as internal cellular chaparones that transport

toxins and viruses to the dendritic cells of the immune system. Thus HSP's

help to create stimulation of the immune system to invading micro

organisms or their cellular toxic chemicals to protect the cells.

In many cases I think the frequencies we use aren't MOR's, they should be

called Physiologic Response Frequencies (PRF's) or Immune System Response

Frequencies ( IRF's).

Finally - DNA and RNA can be pulsed EM responsive. Dr. Blank has

shown that a specific base pair sequence when present makes the DNA or Gene

pulsed EM responsive. Attacking viruses using frequencies derived

specifically for this purpose for has shown the method's effectiveness.

There is a patent pending on this process. Might call this a Gene Response

Frequency ? ( GRF )

What I'm saying here is that the concept of MOR's is far to restrictive and

incomplete. We need to start thinking in terms of physiologic response as a

much more important and wide ranging action than that of an MOR. Destroying

micro organisms dirctly with a frequency is an admirable accomplishment.

The goal however is the restoration of health.

Jim Bare

I think Jim's recent post was

>salient. By conventional wisdom, MOR's appear to have little to do

>with directly resonating viruses in vivo. An intervening process or

>larger structure seems to be indicated. But, if so, what was killing

>the bugs in Rife's petri dishes? And why did the exact same frequency

>succeed internally where gross permutations are inevitable? So far,

>it just doesn't add up to me.

>

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How frequencies may affect viruses is probably indirect. Viruses depend

upon lowered cell membrance potentials to invade, replicate, and escape

from the host cell.Application of frequencies may increase plasma membrane

charges and thus affect viral action. At some point in time, some one may

be able to demonstrate that by exposing a cell culture inoculated with a

virus and seeing if there is a blocking effect.

Pulsed EM fields also stimulate the production of Heat Shock Proteins (

HSP's). HSP's can act as internal cellular chaparones that transport

toxins and viruses to the dendritic cells of the immune system. Thus HSP's

help to create stimulation of the immune system to invading micro

organisms or their cellular toxic chemicals to protect the cells.

In many cases I think the frequencies we use aren't MOR's, they should be

called Physiologic Response Frequencies (PRF's) or Immune System Response

Frequencies ( IRF's).

Finally - DNA and RNA can be pulsed EM responsive. Dr. Blank has

shown that a specific base pair sequence when present makes the DNA or Gene

pulsed EM responsive. Attacking viruses using frequencies derived

specifically for this purpose for has shown the method's effectiveness.

There is a patent pending on this process. Might call this a Gene Response

Frequency ? ( GRF )

What I'm saying here is that the concept of MOR's is far to restrictive and

incomplete. We need to start thinking in terms of physiologic response as a

much more important and wide ranging action than that of an MOR. Destroying

micro organisms dirctly with a frequency is an admirable accomplishment.

The goal however is the restoration of health.

Jim Bare

I think Jim's recent post was

>salient. By conventional wisdom, MOR's appear to have little to do

>with directly resonating viruses in vivo. An intervening process or

>larger structure seems to be indicated. But, if so, what was killing

>the bugs in Rife's petri dishes? And why did the exact same frequency

>succeed internally where gross permutations are inevitable? So far,

>it just doesn't add up to me.

>

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> As pointed out in the paper, there was no superregeneration, in the

> proper sense. What Rife called superregeneration was nothing more

than turning up the regeneration on the regenerative receiver, so that

it self-oscillated. In other words, by cranking up the regeneration

(or > " super " regenerating) beyond what would be done for receiving, he

was > using the receiver as a frequency generator.

Hi . Thanks for your reply. What I should have said was..

Do you mean that he was only using the receivers to listen with, or

was he using the receiver to generate the frequency to make the

transmitter work ??

If so, how would he physically connect the receivers to the

transmitter.

Via the headphone terminals ? or a physical wire from the plates of one

of the tubes ?? ..thanks for your patience...Noel.

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> Hi . Thanks for your reply. What I should have said was..

> Do you mean that he was only using the receivers to listen with, or

> was he using the receiver to generate the frequency to make the

> transmitter work ??

> If so, how would he physically connect the receivers to the

> transmitter.

> Via the headphone terminals ? or a physical wire from the plates of one

> of the tubes ?? ..thanks for your patience...Noel.

He was using the receivers to generate the frequencies, and from what I

can see in the photos of the tests that were done, the oscilloscope

probe is connected to the antenna input, so the frequencies must be

coming out of there.

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>We need to start thinking in terms of physiologic response as a

>much more important and wide ranging action than that of an MOR. Destroying

>micro organisms dirctly with a frequency is an admirable accomplishment.

>The goal however is the restoration of health.

So much the better if we know why it is working. Refinements can then

be made, as well as statements of proof. I have been studying

non-ionizing EMR for some time. There are numerous proposed

mechanisms, such as those represented in the following bibliography.

http://www.vxm.com/bib.doc.html

But not many are frequency-specific enough (in the audio range) to

account for the present day Rife protocols. Here is one I came across

recently. You can download the entire paper as a PDF.

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1302513

This property is normally termed " windowing " , not necessarily

implying resonance. I agree our Rife terminology needs to be

seriously updated. IMO it affects the ethical and legal standing of

the entire community. It also tends to put off anyone with a

technical background.

While you are on the line, has anyone ever reported better results

from using those of the Beam Ray frequencies which are exactly 10x

those given by Crane?

Nielsen

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Okay. Thanks .

Look I have a problem that wont go away.

From the author of this link:

>Anyone is welcome to link to this page (or preferably my site),

but do not simply copy the contents of this page and place it

on any other site.

So you will have to got to:-

http://www.rife.de/an_interview_with_rife.html

Question 35 (in part)

R Rife.. " but I found that both the audio.... and the AUDIO

transmitted through a tube as an antenna worked equally as well

in a painless and harmless method to human tissue. "

why did Rife say he used audio ?... Noel

> > Hi . Thanks for your reply. What I should have said was..

> > Do you mean that he was only using the receivers to listen with,

or

> > was he using the receiver to generate the frequency to make the

> > transmitter work ??

> > If so, how would he physically connect the receivers to the

> > transmitter.

> > Via the headphone terminals ? or a physical wire from the plates

of one

> > of the tubes ?? ..thanks for your patience...Noel.

>

>

>

> He was using the receivers to generate the frequencies, and from

what I

> can see in the photos of the tests that were done, the oscilloscope

> probe is connected to the antenna input, so the frequencies must be

> coming out of there.

>

> Regards,

>

>

>

>

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is correct. Normally the Kennedy Receivers pick up the various

radio stations through the antenna but when you turn up the

regeneration circuit then the receiver becomes an oscillator and

outputs frequencies through the antenna. Dr. Rife would then amplify

the signal through his 5-stage-amplifier eventually into the ray

tube. Later, I believe he built a six-stage amplifier in order to

get more power.

Jeff Garff

www.rifevideos.com

> > Hi . Thanks for your reply. What I should have said was..

> > Do you mean that he was only using the receivers to listen with,

or

> > was he using the receiver to generate the frequency to make the

> > transmitter work ??

> > If so, how would he physically connect the receivers to the

> > transmitter.

> > Via the headphone terminals ? or a physical wire from the plates

of one

> > of the tubes ?? ..thanks for your patience...Noel.

>

>

>

> He was using the receivers to generate the frequencies, and from

what I

> can see in the photos of the tests that were done, the

oscilloscope

> probe is connected to the antenna input, so the frequencies must

be

> coming out of there.

>

> Regards,

>

>

>

>

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> Okay. Thanks .

> Look I have a problem that wont go away.

>>From the author of this link:

>> Anyone is welcome to link to this page (or preferably my site),

> but do not simply copy the contents of this page and place it

> on any other site.

> So you will have to got to:-

> http://www.rife.de/an_interview_with_rife.html

> Question 35 (in part)

> R Rife.. " but I found that both the audio.... and the AUDIO

> transmitted through a tube as an antenna worked equally as well

> in a painless and harmless method to human tissue. "

> why did Rife say he used audio ?... Noel

Well, first of all, we know that Rife did investigate the audio spectrum

in his initial research, but in reference to those questions and

answers, I feel he was just trying to back Crane up in his troubles with

the law. They were using audio with the AZ-58, and so Rife didn't want

to contradict Crane and make things worse for him. I felt the " Crane

influence " in those answers the very first time I read them. I think

there are different grades of evidence in the Rife material, and some

things are more reliable and weighty than others. With the frequency

list from the #4 machine and the new information about the Kennedy

machines, I think we can pretty much rule out the audio range, although

the Kennedy 110 did have the ability to go down into the upper audio

range. I was never impressed by those answers claiming the use of

audio. It sounded like Crane talking. Like I said though, Rife wasn't

going to sell Crane out like that. After all, Crane was just trying to

promote Rife's work, and he spent three years behind bars for it. Sure,

the main reason for that was because he was a fool, but that's beside

the point.

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I have a good 5 papers in my collection on the frequency specific treatment

of cancer. Frequency ranges are from 5 Hz to 200,000 Hz . I sent these to

for posting on his http://www.rife.de web site, don't know if he

has them online or not at this time.

>

>http://www.vxm.com/bib.doc.html

Thanks for the link! Hadn't seen that.

>While you are on the line, has anyone ever reported better results

>from using those of the Beam Ray frequencies which are exactly 10x

>those given by Crane?

To my knowledge - no. In fact the reports I've heard is that many of them

do not work - especially the ones for cancer.

Jim Bare

>

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>implying resonance. I agree our Rife terminology needs to be <br>

>seriously updated. IMO it affects the ethical and legal standing of <br>

>the entire community. It also tends to put off anyone with a <br>

>technical background.<br>

><br>

>While you are on the line, has anyone ever reported better results <br>

>from using those of the Beam Ray frequencies which are exactly 10x <br>

>those given by Crane?<br>

><br>

> Nielsen<br>

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>I have a good 5 papers in my collection on the frequency specific treatment

>of cancer. Frequency ranges are from 5 Hz to 200,000 Hz . I sent these to

> for posting on his <http://www.rife.de>http://www.rife.de web

>site, don't know if he

>has them online or not at this time.

Nordenstrom's research may be of interest to some.

http://www.ursus.se/ursus/publications.shtml

A quote:

" As Nordenstrom describes his body electric, the circuits are

switched on by an injury, an infection, or a tumor, or even by the

normal activity of the body's organs; voltages build and fluctuate;

electric currents course through arteries and veins and across

capillary walls, drawing white blood cells and metabolic compounds

into and out of surrounding tissues. This electrical system, says

Nordenstrom, works to balance the activity of internal organs and, in

the case of injuries, represents the very foundation of the healing

process. In his view, it's as critical to the well-being of the human

body as the flow of blood. Disturbances in this electrical network,

he suggests, may be involved in the development of cancer and other diseases. "

Nordenstrom uses needle electrodes. There is no stated need to

penetrate individual cells or explode viruses, and no issues

associated with transfer of radiant energy. The Chinese have taken up

his work, possibly because the principle appears related to Qi and

acupuncture.

Closer to home there is Garvey's " frequency specific

acupuncture " . Are there any practitioners of this system who would be

willing to share their experiences?

While I do not consider as entirely " scientific " the instruments on

the following page, they do represent an attempt to utilize the

meridian system in some way.

http://www.yourhealthbase.com/energy_medicine.htm

Electro-acupuncture, in itself, is nothing new, but here is a patent

for a frequency selective one.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4055190.html

" An electrical therapeutic apparatus which comprises a

multi-frequency generating oscillator for generating voltages of

predetermined shape over a frequency range including relatively low

and relatively high frequencies, means for selecting a voltage of

predetermined frequency and wave shape matched to an affected

meridian, and conductive needle means for applying the selected

voltage at puncture points on the human body at the affected

meridian, said oscillator generating a series of voltage pulses at

frequencies of between 2.5 KHz to 1.6 MHz at intervals of 1/2 to 10 seconds. "

As some list members seem to suggest, maybe it is time we looked a

bit further afield. Simultaneous modalities can have exponential

effects, and broaden our understanding. For further reading, Google

for " frequency specific acupuncture " .

Nielsen

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Thanks for the reply . Thats got rid of my migraine..Noel

> > Okay. Thanks .

> > Look I have a problem that wont go away.

> >>From the author of this link:

> >> Anyone is welcome to link to this page (or preferably my site),

> > but do not simply copy the contents of this page and place it

> > on any other site.

> > So you will have to got to:-

> > http://www.rife.de/an_interview_with_rife.html

> > Question 35 (in part)

> > R Rife.. " but I found that both the audio.... and the AUDIO

> > transmitted through a tube as an antenna worked equally as well

> > in a painless and harmless method to human tissue. "

> > why did Rife say he used audio ?... Noel

>

>

>

> Well, first of all, we know that Rife did investigate the audio

spectrum

> in his initial research, but in reference to those questions and

> answers, I feel he was just trying to back Crane up in his troubles

with

> the law. They were using audio with the AZ-58, and so Rife didn't

want

> to contradict Crane and make things worse for him. I felt

the " Crane

> influence " in those answers the very first time I read them. I

think

> there are different grades of evidence in the Rife material, and

some

> things are more reliable and weighty than others. With the

frequency

> list from the #4 machine and the new information about the Kennedy

> machines, I think we can pretty much rule out the audio range,

although

> the Kennedy 110 did have the ability to go down into the upper

audio

> range. I was never impressed by those answers claiming the use of

> audio. It sounded like Crane talking. Like I said though, Rife

wasn't

> going to sell Crane out like that. After all, Crane was just

trying to

> promote Rife's work, and he spent three years behind bars for it.

Sure,

> the main reason for that was because he was a fool, but that's

beside

> the point.

>

> Regards,

>

>

>

>

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> > Okay. Thanks .

> > Look I have a problem that wont go away.

> >>From the author of this link:

> >> Anyone is welcome to link to this page (or preferably my site),

> > but do not simply copy the contents of this page and place it

> > on any other site.

> > So you will have to got to:-

> > http://www.rife.de/an_interview_with_rife.html

> > Question 35 (in part)

> > R Rife.. " but I found that both the audio.... and the AUDIO

> > transmitted through a tube as an antenna worked equally as well

> > in a painless and harmless method to human tissue. "

> > why did Rife say he used audio ?... Noel

>

>

>

> Well, first of all, we know that Rife did investigate the audio

spectrum

> in his initial research, but in reference to those questions and

> answers, I feel he was just trying to back Crane up in his troubles

with

> the law. They were using audio with the AZ-58, and so Rife didn't

want

> to contradict Crane and make things worse for him. I felt

the " Crane

> influence " in those answers the very first time I read them. I

think

> there are different grades of evidence in the Rife material, and

some

> things are more reliable and weighty than others. With the

frequency

> list from the #4 machine and the new information about the Kennedy

> machines, I think we can pretty much rule out the audio range,

although

> the Kennedy 110 did have the ability to go down into the upper

audio

> range. I was never impressed by those answers claiming the use of

> audio. It sounded like Crane talking. Like I said though, Rife

wasn't

> going to sell Crane out like that. After all, Crane was just

trying to

> promote Rife's work, and he spent three years behind bars for it.

Sure,

> the main reason for that was because he was a fool, but that's

beside

> the point.

>

> Regards,

>

>

>

>

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> > Okay. Thanks .

> > Look I have a problem that wont go away.

> >>From the author of this link:

> >> Anyone is welcome to link to this page (or preferably my site),

> > but do not simply copy the contents of this page and place it

> > on any other site.

> > So you will have to got to:-

> > http://www.rife.de/an_interview_with_rife.html

> > Question 35 (in part)

> > R Rife.. " but I found that both the audio.... and the AUDIO

> > transmitted through a tube as an antenna worked equally as well

> > in a painless and harmless method to human tissue. "

> > why did Rife say he used audio ?... Noel

>

>

>

> Well, first of all, we know that Rife did investigate the audio

spectrum

> in his initial research, but in reference to those questions and

> answers, I feel he was just trying to back Crane up in his troubles

with

> the law. They were using audio with the AZ-58, and so Rife didn't

want

> to contradict Crane and make things worse for him. I felt

the " Crane

> influence " in those answers the very first time I read them. I

think

> there are different grades of evidence in the Rife material, and

some

> things are more reliable and weighty than others. With the

frequency

> list from the #4 machine and the new information about the Kennedy

> machines, I think we can pretty much rule out the audio range,

although

> the Kennedy 110 did have the ability to go down into the upper

audio

> range. I was never impressed by those answers claiming the use of

> audio. It sounded like Crane talking. Like I said though, Rife

wasn't

> going to sell Crane out like that. After all, Crane was just

trying to

> promote Rife's work, and he spent three years behind bars for it.

Sure,

> the main reason for that was because he was a fool, but that's

beside

> the point.

>

> Regards,

>

>

>

>

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> ,

>

> I have a good 5 papers in my collection on the frequency specific

treatment

> of cancer. Frequency ranges are from 5 Hz to 200,000 Hz . I sent

these to

> for posting on his http://www.rife.de web site, don't know

if he

> has them online or not at this time.

>

Hi Jim,

I have been steadily releasing those papers you sent me, as fast as I

can. I have not had enough time to release them all yet, but I will!

Please let me know if you feel they should be categorised

differently. If anyone else knows of papers which should be

referenced there, let me know preferably after August 10th.

I am currently on tour in the UK so I will be unable to release any

more for another couple of weeks, but keep them coming.

You can find the scientific papers released so far on my www.rife.de

website here:

http://www.rife.de/published_papers.html

I am extending the rife.de website to be a major resource for rife

related research information, alongside this yahoogroup and

http://www.rifeforum.com

To be automatically informed of updates as they are made, please

subscribe (free) to the RSS feed:

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> ,

>

> I have a good 5 papers in my collection on the frequency specific

treatment

> of cancer. Frequency ranges are from 5 Hz to 200,000 Hz . I sent

these to

> for posting on his http://www.rife.de web site, don't know

if he

> has them online or not at this time.

>

Hi Jim,

I have been steadily releasing those papers you sent me, as fast as I

can. I have not had enough time to release them all yet, but I will!

Please let me know if you feel they should be categorised

differently. If anyone else knows of papers which should be

referenced there, let me know preferably after August 10th.

I am currently on tour in the UK so I will be unable to release any

more for another couple of weeks, but keep them coming.

You can find the scientific papers released so far on my www.rife.de

website here:

http://www.rife.de/published_papers.html

I am extending the rife.de website to be a major resource for rife

related research information, alongside this yahoogroup and

http://www.rifeforum.com

To be automatically informed of updates as they are made, please

subscribe (free) to the RSS feed:

http://www.rife.de/rss_feed.html

Regards

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> ,

>

> I have a good 5 papers in my collection on the frequency specific

treatment

> of cancer. Frequency ranges are from 5 Hz to 200,000 Hz . I sent

these to

> for posting on his http://www.rife.de web site, don't know

if he

> has them online or not at this time.

>

Hi Jim,

I have been steadily releasing those papers you sent me, as fast as I

can. I have not had enough time to release them all yet, but I will!

Please let me know if you feel they should be categorised

differently. If anyone else knows of papers which should be

referenced there, let me know preferably after August 10th.

I am currently on tour in the UK so I will be unable to release any

more for another couple of weeks, but keep them coming.

You can find the scientific papers released so far on my www.rife.de

website here:

http://www.rife.de/published_papers.html

I am extending the rife.de website to be a major resource for rife

related research information, alongside this yahoogroup and

http://www.rifeforum.com

To be automatically informed of updates as they are made, please

subscribe (free) to the RSS feed:

http://www.rife.de/rss_feed.html

Regards

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