Re: Signs of ASD in a four-month-old

[Guest guest]

Hi Donna-

Also getting the baby started on probiotics (there is

a baby-probiotic made but I know nothing about it),

and perhaps Nystatin (as Nystatin is harmless although

can't swear it will be particularly helpful). She may

also want to eliminate most of the wheat in her diet

just in case baby is having a gluten intolerance as

well - very sensitive tummys.

Perhaps mom can see a lactation consultant instead of

having to supplement. She should have the baby

weighed before and after nursing to find out how many

ounces of milk the baby is getting. If the baby is

appearing to need supplementing because of a constant

desire to nurse, it may not truly be hunger. It could

be tummy pain and trying to nurse for comfort (hence

the Nystatin and probiotics and immediate diet

change), or even lactose intolerance, although weaning

isn't necessarily a good idea at the moment since

finding the proper formula could be a challenge and

the baby could react just as badly to soy. It could

also be poor digestion -possibly from an inflammatory

reaction to the 2 mo vaccine - was a DTaP in that?

can't remember, or to yeast (which would probably be

there also in the even of inflammatory reaction), or

to lack of good tummy flora (did mom have to have

antibiotics during labor?).

Bless her heart. She needs a great deal of assurance

and support right now. Stress will exacerbate nursing

problems, and probably even put stress hormones in the

milk (not that she needs to worry about that too - the

baby will survive that). She needs to KNOW that this

can be stopped and reversed.

She could probably stand to have somebody make meals

for her and the family - or at the very least, give

her a list of good foods to cook - for a few days if

she has a good support network she can call on.

Tell her over and over that Dr G can help with this

and that to be so observant early on is a blessing and

very likely to save her baby a lot of problems later

on. Also, make sure the office is very aware that

this is an infant in the earliest stages and see if

they will triage her and give an earlier appointment.

--- princesspeach <donnaaron@...> wrote:

> I've got another question for you all. Recently, I

> was contacted by a

> woman who is seeing signs of ASD in her 4-month-old

> son. She's

> breastfeeding him and has been supplimenting with

> formula --

> milk-based first, and then soy. He's not making eye

> contact and

> constantly wringing his hands. He had reactions to

> his 2-month

> vaccinations and she has not taken him for any more.

> Her current

> pediatrician told her it's " too early " to be

> concerned about autism,

> but he also said the same thing about her now-2-1/2

> year-old daughter

> who, it is now obvious, is clearly affected.

>

> She has contacted Dr. G's office, and is waiting for

> an appt. for her

> daughter, but Dr. G will not see children as young

> as her son.

>

> In the meantime, I advised her to get herself on the

> diet and, if

> she needs to suppliment, to use a hypoallergenic

> formula without

> casein (there are two that I know of; EleCare and

> Neocate). I also

> told her to get herself a new pediatrician who will

> let her space out

> vaccinations.

>

> Is there anything else I need to tell her? And can

> anyone recommend a

> sympathetic and knowledgable pediatrician in the

> Orange County area?

>

> Thanks in advance,

>

> Donna

>

>

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thank you so much for the added info! I'll forward it on to her. I

actually recommended that she join this group. I hope she does it.

As for the appt. with Dr. G, I'm afraid the office told her that Dr. G

doesn't treat children this young, which is why I asked about a

sympathetic pediatrician in the OC area. But, he can certainly make

recommendations and guide her until he is old enough...

Thank you again, SO much!

Donna

>

> > I've got another question for you all. Recently, I

> > was contacted by a

> > woman who is seeing signs of ASD in her 4-month-old

> > son. She's

> > breastfeeding him and has been supplimenting with

> > formula --

> > milk-based first, and then soy. He's not making eye

> > contact and

> > constantly wringing his hands. He had reactions to

> > his 2-month

> > vaccinations and she has not taken him for any more.

> > Her current

> > pediatrician told her it's " too early " to be

> > concerned about autism,

> > but he also said the same thing about her now-2-1/2

> > year-old daughter

> > who, it is now obvious, is clearly affected.

> >

> > She has contacted Dr. G's office, and is waiting for

> > an appt. for her

> > daughter, but Dr. G will not see children as young

> > as her son.

> >

> > In the meantime, I advised her to get herself on the

> > diet and, if

> > she needs to suppliment, to use a hypoallergenic

> > formula without

> > casein (there are two that I know of; EleCare and

> > Neocate). I also

> > told her to get herself a new pediatrician who will

> > let her space out

> > vaccinations.

> >

> > Is there anything else I need to tell her? And can

> > anyone recommend a

> > sympathetic and knowledgable pediatrician in the

> > Orange County area?

> >

> > Thanks in advance,

> >

> > Donna

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

-

I noticed that you were asking if the mother had

anitbiotics during delivery... what does that do to

the baby? Can that begin to upset their tummys so

soon? Thanks-

--- <thecolemans4@...> wrote:

> Hi Donna-

>

> Also getting the baby started on probiotics (there

> is

> a baby-probiotic made but I know nothing about it),

> and perhaps Nystatin (as Nystatin is harmless

> although

> can't swear it will be particularly helpful). She

> may

> also want to eliminate most of the wheat in her diet

> just in case baby is having a gluten intolerance as

> well - very sensitive tummys.

>

> Perhaps mom can see a lactation consultant instead

> of

> having to supplement. She should have the baby

> weighed before and after nursing to find out how

> many

> ounces of milk the baby is getting. If the baby is

> appearing to need supplementing because of a

> constant

> desire to nurse, it may not truly be hunger. It

> could

> be tummy pain and trying to nurse for comfort (hence

> the Nystatin and probiotics and immediate diet

> change), or even lactose intolerance, although

> weaning

> isn't necessarily a good idea at the moment since

> finding the proper formula could be a challenge and

> the baby could react just as badly to soy. It could

> also be poor digestion -possibly from an

> inflammatory

> reaction to the 2 mo vaccine - was a DTaP in that?

> can't remember, or to yeast (which would probably be

> there also in the even of inflammatory reaction), or

> to lack of good tummy flora (did mom have to have

> antibiotics during labor?).

>

> Bless her heart. She needs a great deal of

> assurance

> and support right now. Stress will exacerbate

> nursing

> problems, and probably even put stress hormones in

> the

> milk (not that she needs to worry about that too -

> the

> baby will survive that). She needs to KNOW that

> this

> can be stopped and reversed.

>

> She could probably stand to have somebody make meals

> for her and the family - or at the very least, give

> her a list of good foods to cook - for a few days if

> she has a good support network she can call on.

>

> Tell her over and over that Dr G can help with this

> and that to be so observant early on is a blessing

> and

> very likely to save her baby a lot of problems later

> on. Also, make sure the office is very aware that

> this is an infant in the earliest stages and see if

> they will triage her and give an earlier

> appointment.

>

>

> --- princesspeach <donnaaron@...> wrote:

>

> > I've got another question for you all. Recently,

> I

> > was contacted by a

> > woman who is seeing signs of ASD in her

> 4-month-old

> > son. She's

> > breastfeeding him and has been supplimenting with

> > formula --

> > milk-based first, and then soy. He's not making

> eye

> > contact and

> > constantly wringing his hands. He had reactions

> to

> > his 2-month

> > vaccinations and she has not taken him for any

> more.

> > Her current

> > pediatrician told her it's " too early " to be

> > concerned about autism,

> > but he also said the same thing about her

> now-2-1/2

> > year-old daughter

> > who, it is now obvious, is clearly affected.

> >

> > She has contacted Dr. G's office, and is waiting

> for

> > an appt. for her

> > daughter, but Dr. G will not see children as young

> > as her son.

> >

> > In the meantime, I advised her to get herself on

> the

> > diet and, if

> > she needs to suppliment, to use a hypoallergenic

> > formula without

> > casein (there are two that I know of; EleCare and

> > Neocate). I also

> > told her to get herself a new pediatrician who

> will

> > let her space out

> > vaccinations.

> >

> > Is there anything else I need to tell her? And

> can

> > anyone recommend a

> > sympathetic and knowledgable pediatrician in the

> > Orange County area?

> >

> > Thanks in advance,

> >

> > Donna

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

How about Dr (in TX)?

--- princesspeach <donnaaron@...> wrote:

>

> Hi ,

>

> Thank you so much for the added info! I'll forward

> it on to her. I

> actually recommended that she join this group. I

> hope she does it.

>

> As for the appt. with Dr. G, I'm afraid the office

> told her that Dr. G

> doesn't treat children this young, which is why I

> asked about a

> sympathetic pediatrician in the OC area. But, he

> can certainly make

> recommendations and guide her until he is old

> enough...

>

> Thank you again, SO much!

>

> Donna

>

>

> >

> > > I've got another question for you all.

> Recently, I

> > > was contacted by a

> > > woman who is seeing signs of ASD in her

> 4-month-old

> > > son. She's

> > > breastfeeding him and has been supplimenting

> with

> > > formula --

> > > milk-based first, and then soy. He's not making

> eye

> > > contact and

> > > constantly wringing his hands. He had reactions

> to

> > > his 2-month

> > > vaccinations and she has not taken him for any

> more.

> > > Her current

> > > pediatrician told her it's " too early " to be

> > > concerned about autism,

> > > but he also said the same thing about her

> now-2-1/2

> > > year-old daughter

> > > who, it is now obvious, is clearly affected.

> > >

> > > She has contacted Dr. G's office, and is waiting

> for

> > > an appt. for her

> > > daughter, but Dr. G will not see children as

> young

> > > as her son.

> > >

> > > In the meantime, I advised her to get herself on

> the

> > > diet and, if

> > > she needs to suppliment, to use a hypoallergenic

> > > formula without

> > > casein (there are two that I know of; EleCare

> and

> > > Neocate). I also

> > > told her to get herself a new pediatrician who

> will

> > > let her space out

> > > vaccinations.

> > >

> > > Is there anything else I need to tell her? And

> can

> > > anyone recommend a

> > > sympathetic and knowledgable pediatrician in the

> > > Orange County area?

> > >

> > > Thanks in advance,

> > >

> > > Donna

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

I believe yes. I believe but am not certain that the

antibiotics do cross over during this time as well,

and that this would be acceptable because it would be

considered added protection for baby if there is group

B strep involved (mine was for MVP and strep, and they

don't usually even test for GroupB is MVP is present

since they plan on using antibiotics anyway).

Imagine it this way, 'cause this is my own person

hypothesis mixed in with repeat observations: w/my

babies, colicky symptoms started up at 3 days and

progressed to worsening - just in sync w/ a yeast

overgrowth occuring after antibiotics. It always

seems to be the 3 day mark when my boys' tummies start

'blowin' up' like balloons from the yeast if they're

not (and often even if they are) on antifungals at the

time. IME, when my tummy starts blowing up w/yeast,

after couple of weeks, by abdomen starts feeling very

sore and inflammed, starts getting painful for foods

and stuff to 'move around' in there, then the cramps,

etc. The longer it goes without treatment, the more

the pain. My boys were both diagnosed w/colic, but

the colic never went away until they were well over a

year old and finally given some Diflucan (for thrush,

not for tummy), and then the colic went away. After

completing the rounds of Diflucan, it all started

back, in about the same progression only faster since

the Diflucan was not a high enough dose or long enough

treatment period.

I wonder if the gi yeast also contributed to my sons'

reactions to the DTP. They both lost mucous in their

stools approximately two weeks after the DTP both

times. I believe it was the tetanus portion (as a

tetanus booster seriously exacerbated my husband's and

my mother-in-law's ulcerative colitis - again two

weeks after starting to lose mucous). Then, the real

pain and the real problems started. I thought it had

been bad before, but it was worse. If the body is

already sick, then this can be a pretty rough vaccine

on the tummy, which is why I think the yeast already

set up in there would contribute - or any other

infection issue going on. Maybe if their tummies had

been healthy at the time, the vacc reaction would not

have occurred.

Just my beliefs.

--- Curtis and Hackler <thehacks@...>

wrote:

> -

>

> I noticed that you were asking if the mother had

> anitbiotics during delivery... what does that do to

> the baby? Can that begin to upset their tummys so

> soon? Thanks-

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Donna,

I think there is another formula that Dr. G has recommended to some

people... I think it is milk based but is so processed that he thinks it

should be OK. I think it might be Nutramigen... here's a link to some

info...

http://www.meadjohnson.com/professional/products/nutramigenlipil.html

I hope someone else will comment to say if they have heard the same, because

it has been years since I heard it and I'm not sure I have it right. I

remember people saying that the formula was expensive.

Absolutely a great idea to have mom do the diet.

Caroline

> From: princesspeach <donnaaron@...>

> Reply-< >

> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 18:06:13 +0000

> < >

> Subject: Signs of ASD in a four-month-old

>

> I've got another question for you all. Recently, I was contacted by a

> woman who is seeing signs of ASD in her 4-month-old son. She's

> breastfeeding him and has been supplimenting with formula --

> milk-based first, and then soy. He's not making eye contact and

> constantly wringing his hands. He had reactions to his 2-month

> vaccinations and she has not taken him for any more. Her current

> pediatrician told her it's " too early " to be concerned about autism,

> but he also said the same thing about her now-2-1/2 year-old daughter

> who, it is now obvious, is clearly affected.

>

> She has contacted Dr. G's office, and is waiting for an appt. for her

> daughter, but Dr. G will not see children as young as her son.

>

> In the meantime, I advised her to get herself on the diet and, if

> she needs to suppliment, to use a hypoallergenic formula without

> casein (there are two that I know of; EleCare and Neocate). I also

> told her to get herself a new pediatrician who will let her space out

> vaccinations.

>

> Is there anything else I need to tell her? And can anyone recommend a

> sympathetic and knowledgable pediatrician in the Orange County area?

>

> Thanks in advance,

>

> Donna

[Guest guest]

Hi Caroline,

I did tell her that Nutramigen would probably be a good thing to start

off with until she can get the other stuff. If Dr. G recommends it,

so much the better!

Thanks,

Donna

>

> Donna,

>

> I think there is another formula that Dr. G has recommended to some

> people... I think it is milk based but is so processed that he thinks it

> should be OK. I think it might be Nutramigen... here's a link to some

> info...

>

> http://www.meadjohnson.com/professional/products/nutramigenlipil.html

>

> I hope someone else will comment to say if they have heard the same,

because

> it has been years since I heard it and I'm not sure I have it right. I

> remember people saying that the formula was expensive.

>

> Absolutely a great idea to have mom do the diet.

>

> Caroline

>

>

> > From: princesspeach <donnaaron@...>

> > Reply-< >

> > Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 18:06:13 +0000

> > < >

> > Subject: Signs of ASD in a four-month-old

> >

> > I've got another question for you all. Recently, I was contacted by a

> > woman who is seeing signs of ASD in her 4-month-old son. She's

> > breastfeeding him and has been supplimenting with formula --

> > milk-based first, and then soy. He's not making eye contact and

> > constantly wringing his hands. He had reactions to his 2-month

> > vaccinations and she has not taken him for any more. Her current

> > pediatrician told her it's " too early " to be concerned about autism,

> > but he also said the same thing about her now-2-1/2 year-old daughter

> > who, it is now obvious, is clearly affected.

> >

> > She has contacted Dr. G's office, and is waiting for an appt. for her

> > daughter, but Dr. G will not see children as young as her son.

> >

> > In the meantime, I advised her to get herself on the diet and, if

> > she needs to suppliment, to use a hypoallergenic formula without

> > casein (there are two that I know of; EleCare and Neocate). I also

> > told her to get herself a new pediatrician who will let her space out

> > vaccinations.

> >

> > Is there anything else I need to tell her? And can anyone recommend a

> > sympathetic and knowledgable pediatrician in the Orange County area?

> >

> > Thanks in advance,

> >

> > Donna

>

[Guest guest]

DR BOB SEARS!!!!!!!!

[Guest guest]

In addition to 's answer, the antibiotics a mother takes also mess up her

own bacterial flora. When the baby comes through the birth canal it is then

bathed in bad bacteria instead of good bacteria. This can disrupt the baby's

system.

-

Curtis and Hackler <thehacks@...> wrote:

-

I noticed that you were asking if the mother had

anitbiotics during delivery... what does that do to

the baby? Can that begin to upset their tummys so

soon? Thanks-

--- <thecolemans4@...> wrote:

> Hi Donna-

>

> Also getting the baby started on probiotics (there

> is

> a baby-probiotic made but I know nothing about it),

> and perhaps Nystatin (as Nystatin is harmless

> although

> can't swear it will be particularly helpful). She

> may

> also want to eliminate most of the wheat in her diet

> just in case baby is having a gluten intolerance as

> well - very sensitive tummys.

>

> Perhaps mom can see a lactation consultant instead

> of

> having to supplement. She should have the baby

> weighed before and after nursing to find out how

> many

> ounces of milk the baby is getting. If the baby is

> appearing to need supplementing because of a

> constant

> desire to nurse, it may not truly be hunger. It

> could

> be tummy pain and trying to nurse for comfort (hence

> the Nystatin and probiotics and immediate diet

> change), or even lactose intolerance, although

> weaning

> isn't necessarily a good idea at the moment since

> finding the proper formula could be a challenge and

> the baby could react just as badly to soy. It could

> also be poor digestion -possibly from an

> inflammatory

> reaction to the 2 mo vaccine - was a DTaP in that?

> can't remember, or to yeast (which would probably be

> there also in the even of inflammatory reaction), or

> to lack of good tummy flora (did mom have to have

> antibiotics during labor?).

>

> Bless her heart. She needs a great deal of

> assurance

> and support right now. Stress will exacerbate

> nursing

> problems, and probably even put stress hormones in

> the

> milk (not that she needs to worry about that too -

> the

> baby will survive that). She needs to KNOW that

> this

> can be stopped and reversed.

>

> She could probably stand to have somebody make meals

> for her and the family - or at the very least, give

> her a list of good foods to cook - for a few days if

> she has a good support network she can call on.

>

> Tell her over and over that Dr G can help with this

> and that to be so observant early on is a blessing

> and

> very likely to save her baby a lot of problems later

> on. Also, make sure the office is very aware that

> this is an infant in the earliest stages and see if

> they will triage her and give an earlier

> appointment.

>

>

> --- princesspeach <donnaaron@...> wrote:

>

> > I've got another question for you all. Recently,

> I

> > was contacted by a

> > woman who is seeing signs of ASD in her

> 4-month-old

> > son. She's

> > breastfeeding him and has been supplimenting with

> > formula --

> > milk-based first, and then soy. He's not making

> eye

> > contact and

> > constantly wringing his hands. He had reactions

> to

> > his 2-month

> > vaccinations and she has not taken him for any

> more.

> > Her current

> > pediatrician told her it's " too early " to be

> > concerned about autism,

> > but he also said the same thing about her

> now-2-1/2

> > year-old daughter

> > who, it is now obvious, is clearly affected.

> >

> > She has contacted Dr. G's office, and is waiting

> for

> > an appt. for her

> > daughter, but Dr. G will not see children as young

> > as her son.

> >

> > In the meantime, I advised her to get herself on

> the

> > diet and, if

> > she needs to suppliment, to use a hypoallergenic

> > formula without

> > casein (there are two that I know of; EleCare and

> > Neocate). I also

> > told her to get herself a new pediatrician who

> will

> > let her space out

> > vaccinations.

> >

> > Is there anything else I need to tell her? And

> can

> > anyone recommend a

> > sympathetic and knowledgable pediatrician in the

> > Orange County area?

> >

> > Thanks in advance,

> >

> > Donna

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>