RE: So frustrated I can't stand it

[Guest guest]

Hi Robin,

I do not blame you to share your story and vent away, you were actually

alone here.

The school district failed here not addressing the social interaction

issues, etc.and especially when provoked.

The Law Enforcement not educated in this area, but saw a threat

especially while your son was unable to control his explosive emotions

which kept escalating with so much going on, then a weapon on school

campus. With all the latest news going on with schools being hit lately

now no one will take a chance even if they bullied your son.

I know this is not over but you are at the same time advocating to many

who may one day cross this bridge similar to what you are having to go

through.

As this is what has been happening when they reach this age as I have

been hearing alot.

Email Iland,E-mail Address: authors@...

I know she would not mind sharing something with you, she advocates and

has helped many, see if there is anything she could advise you with

something.

Thought I share her site which she has put together as there is a huge

need of addressing this issue.

http://www.clearscv.org/risk.html

http://www.clearscv.org/links.html

This is why she highly pushes for many to get educated in regards to

teaching anyone with the Law Enforcement.

There is a wonderful book out: Autism, Advocates, and Law Enforcement

Professionals, Recognizing and Reducing Risk Situations for People with

Autism Spectrum Disorders by Dennis Debbaudt-

dennis@...

who may also be another person you may want to email. I know he to

could hopefully guide you with something. Of course now that it is

pertaining to legal issues it is being cautious here whoever gets

involved but do not hesitate to seek on anything that may help your

situation.

Irma

[Guest guest]

Hi all --

Wow I'd be as frustrated as you are. I would suggest that you make a list

of things to do starting with finding out when the next school board meeting

is and going and telling your story there. Make the point that the

principal is NOT protecting your son from bullying as he is required to by

the educational code and what are they going to do about it.

Just to let you know--there is HB 278 was made law this session and it deals

with the situations of class C misdemeansors tickets being given on campus.

Apparently the original intent of the law was to allow schools to issue

TRAFFIC violations and the boards went to town and used it to control

behavior. You may want to give Rep. Madden's office a call and see what

they would recomend based on the upcoming changes in the law: (512)

463-0544. I would recommend that you call your own state rep in on this as

well.

Close school to prison pipeline and enhance parental responsibiliby

HB 278 Madden Relating to the authority of a school district board of

trustees to create criminal offenses for violations of district policies.

I would also file assault charges on both of the boys in question. They

want to play hard ball, then you should come out swinging. This goes way

beyond teenage prank and hazing, and these boys need to be taught a lesson

if you can muster the strength to do it. This is where anger can be

effective--you focus it towards action that will protect your family.

Also, I would question whether your son's arrest was even legal if he wasn't

read his rights. Why didn't your lawyer get the arrest kicked out on that

technicality? Have you contacted Advocacy Inc.? They worked a lot on this

issue with HB 278 and may have some more suggestions for you.

The bottom line: with a 10 year probation for your son, you are pretty much

in a situation where he is set up for prison based on his disability because

the odds of him having another explosive incident within those 10 years is

pretty high. You need a better lawyer--I really urge you to call advocacy

Inc and see what they recommend.

S.

Re: So frustrated I can't stand it

Hi Robin,

I do not blame you to share your story and vent away, you were actually

alone here.

The school district failed here not addressing the social interaction

issues, etc.and especially when provoked.

The Law Enforcement not educated in this area, but saw a threat

especially while your son was unable to control his explosive emotions

which kept escalating with so much going on, then a weapon on school

campus. With all the latest news going on with schools being hit lately

now no one will take a chance even if they bullied your son.

I know this is not over but you are at the same time advocating to many

who may one day cross this bridge similar to what you are having to go

through.

As this is what has been happening when they reach this age as I have

been hearing alot.

Email Iland,E-mail Address: authors@...

I know she would not mind sharing something with you, she advocates and

has helped many, see if there is anything she could advise you with

something.

Thought I share her site which she has put together as there is a huge

need of addressing this issue.

http://www.clearscv.org/risk.html

http://www.clearscv.org/links.html

This is why she highly pushes for many to get educated in regards to

teaching anyone with the Law Enforcement.

There is a wonderful book out: Autism, Advocates, and Law Enforcement

Professionals, Recognizing and Reducing Risk Situations for People with

Autism Spectrum Disorders by Dennis Debbaudt-

dennis@...

who may also be another person you may want to email. I know he to

could hopefully guide you with something. Of course now that it is

pertaining to legal issues it is being cautious here whoever gets

involved but do not hesitate to seek on anything that may help your

situation.

Irma

[Guest guest]

Well, my other question is, why isn't there a plan in place for your son to

find a

" safe adult " where he can go to calm down when he's having a bad day????????

That seems to be a major oversight on the part of the school.

S.

ago he was having a really rough time with his bipolar end.. Went

to school had a convo with a good friend of the family who helped him get

calmed

down and feeling better. Well another kid came at him badgering him about

him

always going to this other person about his problems. My son told himt o

leave him

alone he was having a bad day and just leave him be. Well guess what no

this kid

.

[Guest guest]

I tried Advocacy INC. Did the intact and when they called back

updated them as to what was going on and got told well ok looks liek

you have it under control thank you and she hung up...

As for the lawyer well you figure with being the ex DA it would have

gone better but it didn't... His goal was get my kid out of jail and

only way he seen he could do that was to plea it out.

They won't let me file charges on the other two. I tried...

I am beyond broke now can't afford an attorney to take this where it

really needs to go the other attorney wants more money if I push it

already spent 4k on just what he did.. yea I got a royal well you

know... I am going to look into these house bills. I have filed a

complaint with dept of education ont he matter. Hopefully will hear

from them soon with good news.... School board around here is

another joke they could care less about anything... But I am

working to gather my head and get ready for the fight with the

school.. I have questioned my sons safety for the upcoming year. All

they have suggested is placing him in a self contained class. I do

not agree with that as he is not the one with the issue.. If those

kids leave him alone we won't have a problem. At school he does fine

as long as he is left alone. Doesn't get his work done but can

function from class to class without issue if he is unprovoked.

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> Well, my other question is, why isn't there a plan in place for

your son to

> find a

> " safe adult " where he can go to calm down when he's having a bad

day????????

>

> That seems to be a major oversight on the part of the school.

> S.

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> ago he was having a really rough time with his bipolar end.. Went

> to school had a convo with a good friend of the family who

helped him get

> calmed

> down and feeling better. Well another kid came at him badgering

him about

> him

> always going to this other person about his problems. My son

told himt o

> leave him

> alone he was having a bad day and just leave him be. Well guess

what no

> this kid

>

> .

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I understand your frustration and hurt. The legal system is

terribly stacked against Autism families and those with special

needs. Advocacy Inc only takes cases/incidents that they " think

they will win " ....... well that is just great to say that, but that

leaves almost every Autism/special needs family feeling pretty let-

down when they know that they are in a deep well, looking straight

up. The deck is STACKED!!!!

What we need is a family, a special needs family that has the

money/rich and doesn't give a hoot about smashing the walls down.

The Berlin Wall came down, because of a heroic President who had the

power and the belief (Autism families have the heart, courage and

belief) to push ahead. We just need money ...... and this State of

Texas would be hearing from us, many of us.

The Berlin Wall of injustice and stacked decks against Autism

families should be brought down.

2 cents vent

Mark

> >

> > Well, my other question is, why isn't there a plan in place for

> your son to

> > find a

> > " safe adult " where he can go to calm down when he's having a bad

> day????????

> >

> > That seems to be a major oversight on the part of the school.

> > S.

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> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ago he was having a really rough time with his bipolar end..

Went

> > to school had a convo with a good friend of the family who

> helped him get

> > calmed

> > down and feeling better. Well another kid came at him

badgering

> him about

> > him

> > always going to this other person about his problems. My son

> told himt o

> > leave him

> > alone he was having a bad day and just leave him be. Well

guess

> what no

> > this kid

> >

> > .

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

i saw a short interview on channel 11 (?) over the weekend that a mother was

frightened of where her son would wind up... he's got a few issues with add,

etc. (autistim not mentioned) but that insurance wasn't covering therapy or meds

and he would lash out and be sorry later... i guess it's sort of good to know

that other families are frustrated as well.

with a little bit of intervention all around, the legal system wouldn't have

to deal with these types of issues.

mark colditz wrote:

I understand your frustration and hurt. The legal system is

terribly stacked against Autism families and those with special

needs. Advocacy Inc only takes cases/incidents that they " think

they will win " ....... well that is just great to say that, but that

leaves almost every Autism/special needs family feeling pretty let-

down when they know that they are in a deep well, looking straight

up. The deck is STACKED!!!!

What we need is a family, a special needs family that has the

money/rich and doesn't give a hoot about smashing the walls down.

The Berlin Wall came down, because of a heroic President who had the

power and the belief (Autism families have the heart, courage and

belief) to push ahead. We just need money ...... and this State of

Texas would be hearing from us, many of us.

The Berlin Wall of injustice and stacked decks against Autism

families should be brought down.

2 cents vent

Mark

> >

> > Well, my other question is, why isn't there a plan in place for

> your son to

> > find a

> > " safe adult " where he can go to calm down when he's having a bad

> day????????

> >

> > That seems to be a major oversight on the part of the school.

> > S.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ago he was having a really rough time with his bipolar end..

Went

> > to school had a convo with a good friend of the family who

> helped him get

> > calmed

> > down and feeling better. Well another kid came at him

badgering

> him about

> > him

> > always going to this other person about his problems. My son

> told himt o

> > leave him

> > alone he was having a bad day and just leave him be. Well

guess

> what no

> > this kid

> >

> > .

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

There is terrorism that goes by a nicer name. Schools call it

bullying. Is bullying state sponsored terrorism? It is when the state

doesn't have meaningful consequences for its existence not to mention

prosperity. It can sneak in wherever there is a lack of knowledge and

understanding of the relevant individual differences for any

particular group. The best systems in education are those in which

the members believe they are safe with one another.

The seeds of knowledge and understanding regarding a group's

individual differences can be planted into every small group whose

activities are paid for by taxpayers and it should be mandatory that

the consequences for turning a blind eye fall on the professional

person responsible that allows classroom terrorism to persist.

[Guest guest]

We need to be able to advance the legal rights of individuals with autism

through coordinated litigation, legislative advocacy, and education. What

we really need is an autism law center/policy institute. One or two

families who successfully fight the system are still just one or two

families. There's no guarantee that their successes are going to have

widescale impact upon the rest of us. I really believe it's going to take a

very organized and multi-faceted effort to create change.

I greatly respect what Advocacy Inc. and the ARC do, but I just don't think

they can always do a great job representing the autism community. Some of

the issues our children face are different than those of individuals with

other types of disabilities. I would say some of our issues are even

incompatible with the issues AI and the ARC get involved with.

Besides the ability the make recommendations, the State Council on Autism

has no authority or capacity to really do anything. I hope that doesn't

sound dismissive. It's great to have a voice for our community, but there's

a lot they just can't do. There are also a lot of things they probably can

do, but don't.

Am I missing something? Are there any other organizations who could take

the multi-pronged approach I'm suggesting? Are there any attorneys here who

would want to get involved in this kind of law center/policy institute?

Geraldine

[Guest guest]

Down at the level of implementation where skills are learned and

mastered, there needs to be an atmosphere of safety and well-being.

The type of learning we desire won't take place. Focus is on the

setting where learning will take place. Do to the fact that each

disability and its effects are individual, this setting must be MADE

conducive for any success to be evident.

Legal boards can help address concerns that we need new law but for

those who are living and working at the level of implementation, the

settings are the focus. Advocacy initiatives should cover everyday

acts of intersession, support and defense on the private, individual

level.

[Guest guest]

The largest dispensor of pyshiatric drugs in the state of Texas are

the jails and prisons. I have learned this from attending police

trainings and MHMR. Unfortunately many folks in these facilities are

individuals with mental illness, mental challanges and undiagnosed

conditions. Our system seems to make jails and prisons the only form

of free help for the folks who don't have insurance, cannot afford

medication costs, doctors etc...It's very sad, but true!

Nagla

> > >

> > > Well, my other question is, why isn't there a plan in place for

> > your son to

> > > find a

> > > " safe adult " where he can go to calm down when he's having a

bad

> > day????????

> > >

> > > That seems to be a major oversight on the part of the school.

> > > S.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ago he was having a really rough time with his bipolar end..

> Went

> > > to school had a convo with a good friend of the family who

> > helped him get

> > > calmed

> > > down and feeling better. Well another kid came at him

> badgering

> > him about

> > > him

> > > always going to this other person about his problems. My son

> > told himt o

> > > leave him

> > > alone he was having a bad day and just leave him be. Well

> guess

> > what no

> > > this kid

> > >

> > > .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

The largest dispensor of pyshiatric drugs in the state of Texas are

the jails and prisons. I have learned this from attending police

trainings and MHMR. Unfortunately many folks in these facilities are

individuals with mental illness, mental challanges and undiagnosed

conditions. Our system seems to make jails and prisons the only form

of free help for the folks who don't have insurance, cannot afford

medication costs, doctors etc...It's very sad, but true!

Nagla

> > >

> > > Well, my other question is, why isn't there a plan in place for

> > your son to

> > > find a

> > > " safe adult " where he can go to calm down when he's having a

bad

> > day????????

> > >

> > > That seems to be a major oversight on the part of the school.

> > > S.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ago he was having a really rough time with his bipolar end..

> Went

> > > to school had a convo with a good friend of the family who

> > helped him get

> > > calmed

> > > down and feeling better. Well another kid came at him

> badgering

> > him about

> > > him

> > > always going to this other person about his problems. My son

> > told himt o

> > > leave him

> > > alone he was having a bad day and just leave him be. Well

> guess

> > what no

> > > this kid

> > >

> > > .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >