Guest guest Posted April 12, 2003 Report Share Posted April 12, 2003 Hello Sharon, As I am anesthesiologist, let me solve the problem. Yes, palpebral reflex and lash reflex are the same, but " lash reflex " is a term used by anesthesiologists, probably all over the world. Best regards, Wójcik, M.D., anesthesiologist English<->Polish Localization/Translations robert.wojcik@... Palpebral reflex > My only problem with réflexe palpébral is that I think the term is > usually used to mean an evoked visual potential (e.g., light) rather > than response to a physical stimulus (e.g., stroking). Lash reflex or > eyelash sign is always in response to a physical stimulus. Hi Sharon, The palpebral reflex don't use light stimulus nor visual pathways. The stimulus is purely mechanical: gentle touching/brushing of the eyelid/eyelashes. It stimulate the palpebral branches of the trigeminal nerve (afferent way). It should ne be confused with the pupillary light reflex. So, I consider " palpebral reflex " and " lash reflex " as synonyms. The palpebral reflex is largely used in anaethesia to assess the depth of the narcosis during the induction. But I also have a problem. I have read thousand pages of UK EN and US EN texts in veterinary ophthalmology but I don't remember to ever have met " lash reflex " . " eyelash reflex " and " lash reflex " are also missing in the electronic Stedman's version 5.0. So it could be an anesthesiologist-specific jargon. _____________________________ François Malaise, DMV EN>FR Biomedical Translations Tel: +506 683-0021 Fax: +1-530 326-8112 E-mail: fmalaise@... http://www.foreignword.com/cv/document_743.htm Local time: GMT-06:00 (USA Central Time). ______________________________ Caminante, no hay camino, sino estelas en la mar. Machado Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2003 Report Share Posted April 12, 2003 Hello Sharon, As I am anesthesiologist, let me solve the problem. Yes, palpebral reflex and lash reflex are the same, but " lash reflex " is a term used by anesthesiologists, probably all over the world. Best regards, Wójcik, M.D., anesthesiologist English<->Polish Localization/Translations robert.wojcik@... Palpebral reflex > My only problem with réflexe palpébral is that I think the term is > usually used to mean an evoked visual potential (e.g., light) rather > than response to a physical stimulus (e.g., stroking). Lash reflex or > eyelash sign is always in response to a physical stimulus. Hi Sharon, The palpebral reflex don't use light stimulus nor visual pathways. The stimulus is purely mechanical: gentle touching/brushing of the eyelid/eyelashes. It stimulate the palpebral branches of the trigeminal nerve (afferent way). It should ne be confused with the pupillary light reflex. So, I consider " palpebral reflex " and " lash reflex " as synonyms. The palpebral reflex is largely used in anaethesia to assess the depth of the narcosis during the induction. But I also have a problem. I have read thousand pages of UK EN and US EN texts in veterinary ophthalmology but I don't remember to ever have met " lash reflex " . " eyelash reflex " and " lash reflex " are also missing in the electronic Stedman's version 5.0. So it could be an anesthesiologist-specific jargon. _____________________________ François Malaise, DMV EN>FR Biomedical Translations Tel: +506 683-0021 Fax: +1-530 326-8112 E-mail: fmalaise@... http://www.foreignword.com/cv/document_743.htm Local time: GMT-06:00 (USA Central Time). ______________________________ Caminante, no hay camino, sino estelas en la mar. Machado Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2003 Report Share Posted April 12, 2003 Okay, fwiw I just did a Google search for " réflexe palpébral " and I found a pretty mixed bag (42 hits). The sources talk about a blinking reflex, most in response to a laser stimulus, some in response to a puff of air or touching the cornea/conjunctiva, but nothing specifically about lash stroking. A search for " réflexe palpébral " + anesthésie gets 8 hits, but with no specifics about technique. Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2003 Report Share Posted April 12, 2003 At 04/12/2003 08:28 AM -0500, Sharon wrote: >Okay, fwiw I just did a Google search for " réflexe palpébral " and I >found a pretty mixed bag (42 hits). The sources talk about a >blinking reflex, most in response to a laser stimulus, some in >response to a puff of air or touching the cornea/conjunctiva, but >nothing specifically about lash stroking. A search for " réflexe >palpébral " + anesthésie gets 8 hits, but with no specifics about >technique. Right, I'm not sure either that réflexe palpébal = (eye)lash reflex. Among those 8 hits, only the one that I referenced in my previous email pertains to humans -- the others all refer to anesthesia in small animals (petits rongeurs, mostly). It's interesting that François noted that he has " read thousand pages of UK EN and US EN texts in veterinary ophthalmology but I don't remember to ever have met 'lash reflex'. " So maybe there's a different term in French as well for humans, and we haven't hit on it yet, and that's why we aren't getting a whole lot of hits and very few that refer to humans. (i.e., " palpebral reflex " = " réflexe palpébral " [and these terms are both used mostly in veterinary medicine]; and " (eye)lash reflex " [used in reference to humans] = something else that we haven't come up with yet) Googling around under " niveau d'anesthésie " and skimming some of the pages that come up, they don't seem to talk about corneal or lash reflexes at all, they mostly refer to painful stimuli or pupillary diameter, in addition to vital signs like pulse and blood pressure, as things to use to determine level of anesthesia. Don't have time to do any more... any other ideas out there? Still wondering, Marla -- Marla J.F. O'Neill, M.D., M.P.H. Medical Translation & Editing French/Spanish/Italian>English Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2003 Report Share Posted April 12, 2003 At 04/12/2003 10:18 PM -0400, I wrote: >Googling around under " niveau d'anesthésie " and skimming some >of the pages that come up, they don't seem to talk about corneal or >lash reflexes at all, they mostly refer to painful stimuli or pupillary >diameter, in addition to vital signs like pulse and blood pressure, as >things to use to determine level of anesthesia. It is possible, of course, that the fact that I'm not coming up with anything reflects the fact that the French don't consider the lash reflex to be a significant/appropriate way to determine the level of anesthesia. When possible differences in " medical culture " come into play, it makes translation all the more difficult... Marla -- Marla J.F. O'Neill, M.D., M.P.H. Medical Translation & Editing French/Spanish/Italian>English Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2003 Report Share Posted April 12, 2003 Dear Marla, >Okay, fwiw I just did a Google search for " réflexe palpébral " and I >found a pretty mixed bag (42 hits). The sources talk about a >blinking reflex, most in response to a laser stimulus, some in >response to a puff of air or touching the cornea/conjunctiva, but >nothing specifically about lash stroking. A search for " réflexe >palpébral " + anesthésie gets 8 hits, but with no specifics about >technique. I just performed a FR Google search on " " réflexe ciliaire " and I have got 6 hits. It's also confusing as the " ciliary muscles " are the muscles which act on the pupil. I still think that " lash reflex " should be translated by " réflexe palpébral " in the context of the initial question. During the induction, with gas via a mask or via an IV shot (barbiturate for example), we use the " réflexe palpébral " to know when the level of anesthsia is deep enough to insert a endotracheal tube. So, the best confirmation whoud come from a FR-speaking anesthesiologist. You can twickle the eyelashes or directly the eyelid, you stimulate the same nerve endings. I also still think that " lash reflex " is anesthesiologist's jargon. I never met this term in veterinary neuroophthalmology textbooks or papers. FWIW, _____________________________ François Malaise, DMV EN>FR Biomedical Translations Tel: +506 683-0021 Fax: +1-530 326-8112 E-mail: fmalaise@... http://www.foreignword.com/cv/document_743.htm Local time: GMT-06:00 (USA Central Time). ______________________________ Caminante, no hay camino, sino estelas en la mar. Machado Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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