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Irene:

You're right. Well, in my defence, I'll say that I try to sound

respectful and friendly and if possible amusing whenever I *preach*.

If the other part doesn't want to talk, I simply creep back into my

shell. But I must say it's very difficult for me to *spare* a child,

when she/he is alone and doing something foolish like eating junk

food. I will hardly interfere with a grown-up, you know. That's my

policy.

José

> >:

> >

> >Reading this [below] has triggered off my old dilemma: to preach

or not

> >to preach. I mean, what do you people generally do when you see

someone

> >committing a blatant nutritional mistake, so to say? Can you keep

your

> >mouth shut or do you pluck up your courage to speak up? I have

found

> >that as I grow older, I am becoming bolder to speak. Often

> >the " transgressor " is a small child.

> >

> >The trick is that I make a point not to seem to be preaching

> >at all, but instead I try to make a question or engage in dialogue.

> >As I don't have a car, I am often riding in buses, and that's where

> >most of my interactions will take place.

> >

> >Here are a few short dialogues or attempts to dialogue I have

recently

> >had with children and grown-ups

> >on buses, sharing either a double seat with them or on nearby

seats. I

> >can't recall the actual words, but these will give a general idea.

> >All of these talks – I am afraid – had no immediate or visible

> >corrective effect on the " transgressor " , but I played my part

pulling

> >my weight. While I don't claim to be a world reformer, I'd rather

> >make a mistake by interference than by omission. Well, if this

sounds

> >too pompous, I will admit that it isn't funny all the time and I

> >often end up feeling like a fool afterwards.

> >

> >1) To a boy eating from a package of potato chips:

> >

> > " Hey, I wouldn't mind having one if I had already eaten lunch. "

> >He offered me the open package.

> > " No, thanks. Have you eaten your lunch yet? "

> > " No. "

> > " It may spoil your appetite. "

> >He shrugged his shoulders and looked away, and I hadn't anything

else

> >to say.

> >

> >

> >2) To a little girl eating candyfloss:

> >

> > " Whenever I eat candyfloss, my throat feels like burning. What

about

> >you? "

> >She simply opened her mouth and showed me her throat (some teeth

were

> >missing). Actually, she didn't make a face, but she could have done

> >so. I was relieved.

> >

> >

> >3) To a young mother sharing a can of coke with her one-year-old

> >toddler on her lap:

> >

> > " Excuse me, but my daughter's paediatrician doesn't want her to

drink

> >coke at all. Does your baby's agree? " (I said it rather quickly,

> >because it was a long idea, and I didn't want to appear to be

> >accosting her, so I am not sure if she really understood me.)

> > " It's this hot climate and this helps to hydrate " , she said with

> >authority.

> >I don't know if I blushed but I surely felt like clearing my

> >listening ear. I didn't make the gesture, though.

> > " Really? But what about the aluminium? " (I don't really know if

coke

> >contains aluminium, but now it didn't matter anyway.)

> > " She's so fond of it. "

> > " The aluminium? "

> > " No, the coke. "

> > " Oh, I see. "

> >Perhaps it was high time to ask the pretty baby's name, but I was

> >suddenly feeling so hopeless that I just had a wry smile to crack.

> >

> >

> >4) To a school-boy who sat down beside me devouring a piece of a

very

> >dry cake:

> >

> > " Hey, are you chewing well? "

> >No response. Then a voice from behind:

> > " ael (or whatever his name was), answer uncle. "

> >The boy nodded while still eating without looking.

> >I turned to look at the lady (she could be the grandmother) in

> >recognition.

> > " Did he dirty your clothes, sir? " (She was referring to the

crumbs.)

> > " No, I was just making fun of him. He's eating so quickly. "

> > " This is just like him. Nat, give me the key. " (She had obviously

> >changed the subject and so I went back to my reading, having

learned

> >that even grandmothers are now different and totally keen on the

> >facilities of our modern world.)

> >

> >What amazes me (but every day a little less) is that children are

> >eating these empty foods all the time at school, at home, on

buses, and

> >then

> >are punished when they refuse to eat proper lunch or dinner.

> >

> >No wonder children are now

> >usually fat and frail at the same time and spoilt – they get

> >everything they want in terms of food and gewgaws. They are mainly

> >stuffed with food in order to be appeased. And this affects all

> >classes, not only the poor.

> >

> >What can be done to stop this slow infanticide?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >--- In , Idol <Idol@c...>

> >wrote:

> >

> >...

> >

> > > Maybe, but I live in the barrio, and based on what I see, I'm

not

> > > convinced. Lots of white bread, twinkie-type snack/desserts,

> >hydrogenated

> > > oils, vegetable oils, etc. etc. etc.

> > >

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[Guest guest]

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you were pushy or obnoxious. I didn't

get that from your post at all. I guess I was more thinking that sometimes

we can become so passionate about what we believe that we can sometimes

forget that we may be wrong. For myself, if I keep that in mind I am more

likely to judge the situation well.

Irene

At 11:08 AM 8/26/2005, you wrote:

>Irene:

>

>You're right. Well, in my defence, I'll say that I try to sound

>respectful and friendly and if possible amusing whenever I *preach*.

>If the other part doesn't want to talk, I simply creep back into my

>shell. But I must say it's very difficult for me to *spare* a child,

>when she/he is alone and doing something foolish like eating junk

>food. I will hardly interfere with a grown-up, you know. That's my

>policy.

>

>

>José

>

>

> > >:

> > >

> > >Reading this [below] has triggered off my old dilemma: to preach

>or not

> > >to preach. I mean, what do you people generally do when you see

>someone

> > >committing a blatant nutritional mistake, so to say? Can you keep

>your

> > >mouth shut or do you pluck up your courage to speak up? I have

>found

> > >that as I grow older, I am becoming bolder to speak. Often

> > >the " transgressor " is a small child.

> > >

> > >The trick is that I make a point not to seem to be preaching

> > >at all, but instead I try to make a question or engage in dialogue.

> > >As I don't have a car, I am often riding in buses, and that's where

> > >most of my interactions will take place.

> > >

> > >Here are a few short dialogues or attempts to dialogue I have

>recently

> > >had with children and grown-ups

> > >on buses, sharing either a double seat with them or on nearby

>seats. I

> > >can't recall the actual words, but these will give a general idea.

> > >All of these talks – I am afraid – had no immediate or visible

> > >corrective effect on the " transgressor " , but I played my part

>pulling

> > >my weight. While I don't claim to be a world reformer, I'd rather

> > >make a mistake by interference than by omission. Well, if this

>sounds

> > >too pompous, I will admit that it isn't funny all the time and I

> > >often end up feeling like a fool afterwards.

> > >

> > >1) To a boy eating from a package of potato chips:

> > >

> > > " Hey, I wouldn't mind having one if I had already eaten lunch. "

> > >He offered me the open package.

> > > " No, thanks. Have you eaten your lunch yet? "

> > > " No. "

> > > " It may spoil your appetite. "

> > >He shrugged his shoulders and looked away, and I hadn't anything

>else

> > >to say.

> > >

> > >

> > >2) To a little girl eating candyfloss:

> > >

> > > " Whenever I eat candyfloss, my throat feels like burning. What

>about

> > >you? "

> > >She simply opened her mouth and showed me her throat (some teeth

>were

> > >missing). Actually, she didn't make a face, but she could have done

> > >so. I was relieved.

> > >

> > >

> > >3) To a young mother sharing a can of coke with her one-year-old

> > >toddler on her lap:

> > >

> > > " Excuse me, but my daughter's paediatrician doesn't want her to

>drink

> > >coke at all. Does your baby's agree? " (I said it rather quickly,

> > >because it was a long idea, and I didn't want to appear to be

> > >accosting her, so I am not sure if she really understood me.)

> > > " It's this hot climate and this helps to hydrate " , she said with

> > >authority.

> > >I don't know if I blushed but I surely felt like clearing my

> > >listening ear. I didn't make the gesture, though.

> > > " Really? But what about the aluminium? " (I don't really know if

>coke

> > >contains aluminium, but now it didn't matter anyway.)

> > > " She's so fond of it. "

> > > " The aluminium? "

> > > " No, the coke. "

> > > " Oh, I see. "

> > >Perhaps it was high time to ask the pretty baby's name, but I was

> > >suddenly feeling so hopeless that I just had a wry smile to crack.

> > >

> > >

> > >4) To a school-boy who sat down beside me devouring a piece of a

>very

> > >dry cake:

> > >

> > > " Hey, are you chewing well? "

> > >No response. Then a voice from behind:

> > > " ael (or whatever his name was), answer uncle. "

> > >The boy nodded while still eating without looking.

> > >I turned to look at the lady (she could be the grandmother) in

> > >recognition.

> > > " Did he dirty your clothes, sir? " (She was referring to the

>crumbs.)

> > > " No, I was just making fun of him. He's eating so quickly. "

> > > " This is just like him. Nat, give me the key. " (She had obviously

> > >changed the subject and so I went back to my reading, having

>learned

> > >that even grandmothers are now different and totally keen on the

> > >facilities of our modern world.)

> > >

> > >What amazes me (but every day a little less) is that children are

> > >eating these empty foods all the time at school, at home, on

>buses, and

> > >then

> > >are punished when they refuse to eat proper lunch or dinner.

> > >

> > >No wonder children are now

> > >usually fat and frail at the same time and spoilt – they get

> > >everything they want in terms of food and gewgaws. They are mainly

> > >stuffed with food in order to be appeased. And this affects all

> > >classes, not only the poor.

> > >

> > >What can be done to stop this slow infanticide?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >--- In , Idol <Idol@c...>

> > >wrote:

> > >

> > >...

> > >

> > > > Maybe, but I live in the barrio, and based on what I see, I'm

>not

> > > > convinced. Lots of white bread, twinkie-type snack/desserts,

> > >hydrogenated

> > > > oils, vegetable oils, etc. etc. etc.

> > > >

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>* : I see your point and I agree with you in part. But there are

>also cases when overeating is simply a bad habit or otherwise you

>have a much enlarged (or what do you say in English?) stomach.

I guess this is a chicken-and-egg type question. Did the stomach get

distended because its owner overate just for the heck of it, or because

metabolic derangement caused him to? <g>

>* Well, who knows, ? I'm of the opinion that any excess can be

>harmful, but then again I am not saying you are eating too much fat.

>You'd have to invite me for dinner, then I would be able to see! But

>I'd keep my judgement to myself, ok?

If you ever find yourself in NYC, please don't hesitate to give me a

call! Then you can see for yourself. I'd guess that fat provides 60-75%

of my calories, though I've never actually tried to calculate the actual

figure for a day's food intake, but that's what I find necessary to keep my

blood sugar and metabolism under control after years of damage. That much

fat actually prevents me from overeating, and has enabled me to lose much

excess fat.

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