Guest guest Posted May 31, 2007 Report Share Posted May 31, 2007 thanks for sharing. this is good to know because the Holstein cream I just bought is white. the cows have been out on pasture since May 1st (I am in Wis.). the cows get 5 lbs./day of grain. where do you live? does your Holstein get any grain at all, any in the winter? how do you keep up her body condition? do you think that maybe these cows haven't been out on pasture long enough for the cream to get yellowish or is 5 lbs/day of grain too much? > > I milk a Holstein and a Jersey. In our case there is no discernable difference in the color of their milk or their cream. They are both pastured together. If the Holstein got most of her diet from corn and other grains and no grazing, I suspect there would be a difference. The only problem I have had with the Holstein is keeping up her body condition without the grain in her ration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2007 Report Share Posted May 31, 2007 I believe it would. The vitamin A disappears in hay over the winter so cows get deficient. Debbie Chikousky Manitoba, Canada gdchik@... Re: milk color > what if the older breed cow is being fed dry hay (like in the winter) but > no grain? will this > also cause whiter colored milk? > > >> > > >> > > Usually Holstein milk is white because they are fed >> > > grain. They are bred to " keep " better on grain, it >> > > is in their genetics...as opposed to staying healthy >> > > and fit on grass. The older breeds, the Jerseys, >> > > Guernseys, etc. have not been selectively bred to >> > > do well on grain...rather, they have been left alone >> > > and do well on grass. Therefore, most of the milk >> > > you see from Holsteins is white because of their >> > > diet. >> > > >> > > Yes, goats milk is white because they use >> > > up the beta carotene, but a cow passes it into >> > > her milk. So you get the golden milk from the >> > > beta carotene a cow gets from the grass. >> > > >> > > Make sense? >> > > D. >> > > moderator >> > > >> > >> > > > > > PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING! > Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information! > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/ > > Archive search: http://onibasu.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2007 Report Share Posted May 31, 2007 We are in southern Tennessee. Our pastures pick up here in March however there is usually a little green forage of some type they can find though most of the winter unless it has been really cold. My practice has been to leave the calves on the cows. I take the spare milk from the Holstein and generally only milk her every other day. I learned that the less often they are milked, the higher the butterfat content. Most people push their Holsteins for maximum production and feed them all they will eat of a custom mixed diet which of course contains a lot of grain to get the caloric content high. I, on the other hand, am trying to suppress the production from my Holstein because of the body condition problem. I do give her about 7 lbs of grain when she gets milked. In the winter she gets all the hay she wants...mostly grass hay with a little alfalfa. Our pastures are mixed grasses with quite a bit of clover. The clover shuts down when it gets hot and dry (as it is right now). I really don't have any idea why your cream would be white in color from cows on pasture. I don't think 5 lbs of grain a day would make any difference. Re: milk color thanks for sharing. this is good to know because the Holstein cream I just bought is white. the cows have been out on pasture since May 1st (I am in Wis.). the cows get 5 lbs./day of grain. where do you live? does your Holstein get any grain at all, any in the winter? how do you keep up her body condition? do you think that maybe these cows haven't been out on pasture long enough for the cream to get yellowish or is 5 lbs/day of grain too much? >> I milk a Holstein and a Jersey. In our case there is no discernable difference in the color of their milk or their cream. They are both pastured together. If the Holstein got most of her diet from corn and other grains and no grazing, I suspect there would be a difference. The only problem I have had with the Holstein is keeping up her body condition without the grain in her ration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2007 Report Share Posted May 31, 2007 Having just reread the " Activator X " article in the recent Wise Traditions, I wonder if the whiter color of goat's milk is indicative of the goat's being a more complete " processor " of Vitamin K1 into K2? Vitamin K1 and beta caratone are closely linked according to the article, so I just wonder if the more complete elimination of the characteristic color of the plant also indicates the goat's more complete processing of K1. I haven't read all the postings on this topic carefully, so I apologize if I'm restating earlier observations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2007 Report Share Posted May 31, 2007 Yes, it definitely will. I know in the winter, when the grass is more scarce and the hay is used, winter milk is always more whitish. We are always glad for the advent of spring, and the yellowing of the milk again. Ours are Jerseys... D. moderator > > what if the older breed cow is being fed dry hay (like in the winter) but no grain? will this > also cause whiter colored milk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2007 Report Share Posted June 1, 2007 My Dexters' cream/milk is white and they are exclusively grass. Interestingly, theirs seperates much more slowly than the fresians i've experienced. Our goats and Dexters share more in common[imo] than a holstein and a Dexter. Anyone else note these differences? Robie > --- Re: milk color > > Date: Wed, May 30, 2007 9:26 am > To: RawDairy > > No. It likely means that the older breed cow has been > fed grain. Any cow, old or modern breed, will give > whiter colored milk if given only grain. > > Beta Carotene is found in the milk when it is golden. BC > is converted to Vit. A in the wall of our small intestine, > only in the amount needed for our body. This is why it > is safer to consume Vit A in BC form. Whitish colored > milk from a cow, whether frozen or not, is very likely > lacking in BC (which would convert to Vit. A in our > bodies) and likely the cow has not been grass fed. It > is really the surest sign of grain feeding in a cow... > white milk (cream.) > > D. > moderator > > > > > > > > > Usually Holstein milk is white because they are fed > > > grain. They are bred to " keep " better on grain, it > > > is in their genetics...as opposed to staying healthy > > > and fit on grass. The older breeds, the Jerseys, > > > Guernseys, etc. have not been selectively bred to > > > do well on grain...rather, they have been left alone > > > and do well on grass. Therefore, most of the milk > > > you see from Holsteins is white because of their > > > diet. > > > > > > Yes, goats milk is white because they use > > > up the beta carotene, but a cow passes it into > > > her milk. So you get the golden milk from the > > > beta carotene a cow gets from the grass. > > > > > > Make sense? > > > D. > > > moderator > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2007 Report Share Posted June 1, 2007 oops, our Dexters are hereford X's albeit only 12.5-25%hereford. wish i could cross one to a goat.;-] where did your canadienne come from? there are very few in existence. robie > --- Re: milk color > > > > thanks for sharing. this is good to know because the Holstein cream I > just > bought is white. > the cows have been out on pasture since May 1st (I am in Wis.). the > cows get > 5 lbs./day of > grain. where do you live? does your Holstein get any grain at all, any in > the winter? how do > you keep up her body condition? do you think that maybe these cows > haven't > been out on > pasture long enough for the cream to get yellowish or is 5 lbs/day of > grain > too much? > > > > > > I milk a Holstein and a Jersey. In our case there is no discernable > difference in the color of > their milk or their cream. They are both pastured together. If the > Holstein > got most of her > diet from corn and other grains and no grazing, I suspect there would > be a > difference. The > only problem I have had with the Holstein is keeping up her body > condition > without the grain > in her ration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2007 Report Share Posted June 1, 2007 She was a reject from an organic dairy up in PA that wanted to try one, and then had to deal w/ a hoof injury w/ no antibiotics, and was told she was open after breeding her. Hoof cleared up w/in a couple days of being on zero concrete here. They did not want to have her for the rest of the lactation unproductive due to the anti-biotic rule, and she missed the breeding—WRONG, someone made a boo boo---had my guy out to preg check, and had her done too, because she looked suspiciously closer than they said. She calved 4 weeks after I got her w/ a Holstein x heifer. Their loss my gain. She is larger than I have seen (there was a family that raised canadienne’s down in Co, don’t know if they still have them. They wanted a gazillion$ and couldn’t handle that. I love cows, and really have a hard time settling down to one breed. Next I want an ayrshire. Then Milking Shorthorn, And maybe a Devon…Breeding tho becomes a problem. End up w/ mutts. www.MajestyFarm.com " Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys. " P.J. O'Rourke From: RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ] On Behalf Of robie@... Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 7:15 AM To: RawDairy Subject: **Possible_Spam** RE: milk color oops, our Dexters are hereford X's albeit only 12.5-25%hereford. wish i could cross one to a goat.;-] where did your canadienne come from? there are very few in existence. robie > --- Re: milk color > > > > thanks for sharing. this is good to know because the Holstein cream I > just > bought is white. > the cows have been out on pasture since May 1st (I am in Wis.). the > cows get > 5 lbs./day of > grain. where do you live? does your Holstein get any grain at all, any in > the winter? how do > you keep up her body condition? do you think that maybe these cows > haven't > been out on > pasture long enough for the cream to get yellowish or is 5 lbs/day of > grain > too much? > > > > > > I milk a Holstein and a Jersey. In our case there is no discernable > difference in the color of > their milk or their cream. They are both pastured together. If the > Holstein > got most of her > diet from corn and other grains and no grazing, I suspect there would > be a > difference. The > only problem I have had with the Holstein is keeping up her body > condition > without the grain > in her ration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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