RE: Breast Milk and the WAPF

[Guest guest]

Thanks you Suze. I think that is a wonderful idea. I will draft one today.

I think all the discussion here is good but only if we also direct our

concern to WAPF also.

Blessings,

-----Original Message-----

From:

[mailto: ]On Behalf Of Suze Fisher

For those of you who feel passionately that the WAPF is doing a disservice

by emphasizing their formula or supplements to breastfeeding rather than

emphasizing the quality of a nursing mom's diet, I suggest you do something

constructive with that crticism such as write a letter to the editor of WT.

[Guest guest]

Suze,

>For those of you who feel passionately that the WAPF is doing a disservice

>by emphasizing their formula or supplements to breastfeeding rather than

>emphasizing the quality of a nursing mom's diet, I suggest you do something

>constructive with that crticism such as write a letter to the editor of WT.

>Sally is not immovable (to her credit) and has been known to change WAPF

>literature in response to valid critiques. I imagine if she received a LOT

>of letters containing many of the complaints that have been posted to this

>list, it might make an impression and perhaps she'd be sure to emphasize

>breast feeding and the quality of the nursing mom's diet in the future?

>

I tried to do just that. Kathy asked me to bring it up on the

chapter leaders list to get more feedback and discussion going before I

resigned - which I haven't done yet, I am paid up for the year and I

donated extra for the publications which I will freely distribute. And

by jumping the gun and taking me off of that list, without any prior

warning nor any good reason - for I have followed the rules politely -

you now prevent me from doing just that. It is extremely frustrating

that I will now have to search onibasu.com by month and year so that I

can read any further discussion on it, but I cannot be heard. With all

due respect, this would be similar to me pulling the plug on my local

chapter website, which I designed and host free of charge. I wouldn't

do that no matter what.

brought up the two responses from chapter leaders and I

responded. He initiated the discussion here on NN, so I responded. Is

this an example of circling the wagons by preventing me a chance to

engage in dialogue about this very important matter?

Kathy is copied in on this message.

Deanna

[Guest guest]

>-----Original Message-----

>From:

>[mailto: ]On Behalf Of Deanna Wagner

>

>>For those of you who feel passionately that the WAPF is doing a disservice

>>by emphasizing their formula or supplements to breastfeeding rather than

>>emphasizing the quality of a nursing mom's diet, I suggest you do

>something

>>constructive with that crticism such as write a letter to the

>editor of WT.

>>Sally is not immovable (to her credit) and has been known to change WAPF

>>literature in response to valid critiques. I imagine if she received a LOT

>>of letters containing many of the complaints that have been posted to this

>>list, it might make an impression and perhaps she'd be sure to emphasize

>>breast feeding and the quality of the nursing mom's diet in the future?

>>

>I tried to do just that. Kathy asked me to bring it up on the

>chapter leaders list to get more feedback and discussion going before I

>resigned - which I haven't done yet, I am paid up for the year and I

>donated extra for the publications which I will freely distribute.

Well, if you haven't resigned yet, perhaps you shouldn't have told us you no

longer support the WAPF in any capacity, which doesn't leave room for

remaining as a chapterleader (since it's a support position). You can't have

it both ways. Either you don't support them or you still do.

And

>by jumping the gun and taking me off of that list, without any prior

>warning nor any good reason - for I have followed the rules politely -

>you now prevent me from doing just that.

Without any good reason??? Are you serious? You said you no longer support

the WAPF financially or otherwise. Period. As such, I clearly had a very

good reason to remove your membership from the WAPF chapterleader list.

There is no reason for you to be on there if you no longer support the WAPF

in any way. How else do you expect one to interpret you statement of non

support? However, now it seems you are back peddling and saying you have NOT

resigned yet. So which is it? If you have *not* resigned, and are still

acting as a chapterleader then I'll gladly reinstate your membership to that

list, but I need a straight, honest answer, not " I don't support WAPF in

anyway, but I'm still a chapter leader " . I'm sure you can see where this

might be confusing.

It is extremely frustrating

>that I will now have to search onibasu.com by month and year so that I

>can read any further discussion on it, but I cannot be heard.

See above. If you have resigned, as indicated by your first post, which is

why I removed you, then you have no place on that list. If you have not,

just let me know and I'll resub you.

Having said that, as mentioned, we had a long thread on this subject

in the not too distant past, so I'm not banking on any more responses than

the one or two you already got (although I could be wrong).

With all

>due respect, this would be similar to me pulling the plug on my local

>chapter website, which I designed and host free of charge. I wouldn't

>do that no matter what.

Sorry, but there's NO comparison.

>

>brought up the two responses from chapter leaders and I

>responded. He initiated the discussion here on NN, so I responded. Is

>this an example of circling the wagons by preventing me a chance to

>engage in dialogue about this very important matter?

No, it's an example of paranoia.

>

>Kathy is copied in on this message.

And on this one.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

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[Guest guest]

Suze,

>

>No, it's an example of paranoia.

>

Ad hominem.

[Guest guest]

Suze,

>

>Having said that, as mentioned, we had a long thread on this subject

>in the not too distant past, so I'm not banking on any more responses than

>the one or two you already got (although I could be wrong).

>

Is a chapter leader, since he is on that list? I never asked to

be removed. If and when I resign, I would have taken myself off, as I

do try to be honest. But if others are on the list without leading

chapters, then your removal of me would be even more interesting, since

I have not had any problems on that list.

I said " won't " which is the contraction for " will not, " obviously future

tense.

" I won't support WAPF any longer, financially or otherwise. "

But I am good to go for the rest of the year as a member, and until I

give notice or am given notice as a leader.

Deanna

[Guest guest]

>No, it's an example of paranoia.

Back off with the personal attacks, Suze.

-

[Guest guest]

>-----Original Message-----

>From:

>[mailto: ]On Behalf Of Deanna Wagner

>>

>>Having said that, as mentioned, we had a long thread on

>this subject

>>in the not too distant past, so I'm not banking on any more responses than

>>the one or two you already got (although I could be wrong).

>>

>Is a chapter leader, since he is on that list?

and a handful of others on the list are not yet chapterheads, but

are seriously intending to start chapters. I happen to know in 's

case the only reason he hasn't started his chapter yet (other than some

preliminary work) is due to an extended upcoming trip. As I said in my

previous email, the list is for current chapterleaders and those who are

seriously interested in becoming chapterleaders. This is what the

chapterleaders themselves decided about list membership.

I never asked to

>be removed. If and when I resign, I would have taken myself off, as I

>do try to be honest.

Well, to be honest, I can't keep track of everyone. So if I know at a given

time that someone is giving up their post, I find it easiest just to deal

with it then and there. If I put it off till later I won't remember such

things.

But if others are on the list without leading

>chapters, then your removal of me would be even more interesting, since

>I have not had any problems on that list.

No you have not, but I've already explained clearly why I removed you in

previous emails, as I thought you were declaring your resignation.

>

>I said " won't " which is the contraction for " will not, " obviously future

>tense.

I understand that, but if I say I won't do such and such any longer, it's

generally implied that I mean from henceforth. Again, I can't read your mind

so would have no way of knowing that you are talking about some future date

that you will stop supporting the WAPF in all capacities.

>

> " I won't support WAPF any longer, financially or otherwise. "

>

>But I am good to go for the rest of the year as a member, and until I

>give notice or am given notice as a leader.

OK, I will take this at face value and re-sub you to the list. If, at some

future date, you decide to resign your duties with finality, I trust you

will unsub yourself from the chapterleader list at that time.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

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[Guest guest]

Can you please bicker in private?

Thanks!

Sincerely,

Lana M. Gibbons

On 8/27/05, Suze Fisher <s.fisher22@...> wrote:

>

> >-----Original Message-----

> >From:

> >[mailto: ]On Behalf Of Deanna Wagner

>

> >>

> >>Having said that, as mentioned, we had a long thread on

> >this subject

> >>in the not too distant past, so I'm not banking on any more responses

> than

> >>the one or two you already got (although I could be wrong).

> >>

> >Is a chapter leader, since he is on that list?

>

> and a handful of others on the list are not yet chapterheads, but

> are seriously intending to start chapters. I happen to know in 's

> case the only reason he hasn't started his chapter yet (other than some

> preliminary work) is due to an extended upcoming trip. As I said in my

> previous email, the list is for current chapterleaders and those who are

> seriously interested in becoming chapterleaders. This is what the

> chapterleaders themselves decided about list membership.

>

>

> I never asked to

> >be removed. If and when I resign, I would have taken myself off, as I

> >do try to be honest.

>

> Well, to be honest, I can't keep track of everyone. So if I know at a

> given

> time that someone is giving up their post, I find it easiest just to deal

> with it then and there. If I put it off till later I won't remember such

> things.

>

>

> But if others are on the list without leading

> >chapters, then your removal of me would be even more interesting, since

> >I have not had any problems on that list.

>

> No you have not, but I've already explained clearly why I removed you in

> previous emails, as I thought you were declaring your resignation.

>

> >

> >I said " won't " which is the contraction for " will not, " obviously future

> >tense.

>

> I understand that, but if I say I won't do such and such any longer, it's

> generally implied that I mean from henceforth. Again, I can't read your

> mind

> so would have no way of knowing that you are talking about some future

> date

> that you will stop supporting the WAPF in all capacities.

>

>

> >

> > " I won't support WAPF any longer, financially or otherwise. "

> >

> >But I am good to go for the rest of the year as a member, and until I

> >give notice or am given notice as a leader.

>

> OK, I will take this at face value and re-sub you to the list. If, at some

> future date, you decide to resign your duties with finality, I trust you

> will unsub yourself from the chapterleader list at that time.

>

>

> Suze Fisher

> Lapdog Design, Inc.

> Web Design & Development

>

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg<http://members.bellatlantic.net/%7Evze\

3shjg>

> Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

> http://www.westonaprice.org

>

> ----------------------------

> " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

> heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. "

> --

> Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

> University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

>

> The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

> <http://www.thincs.org>

> ----------------------------

>