Re: New Member Intro (Long)

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On 8/26/05, Lana Gibbons <lana.m.gibbons@...> wrote:

> However, at this time the biggest lead on the cause of endometriosis is

> unhealthy human estrogen.

Wouldn't that make it unadvisable to consume addition estrogens from food then?

> The japanese may eat more salt, but they eat more then enough veggies to get

> the corresponding potassium requirement.

But the other side of the issue is they eat more salt and sea-food,

which compensates for the anti-thyroid properties of the soy.

Chris

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Lana-

>Clif's Nectar bars (Not clif regular bars) consist of 3-5 organic fruits and

>nuts. They're good, and easy.

I really recommend that you reconsider your consumption of those bars. The

processing involved in turning fruits into bars probably robs them of much

of whatever nutritional value they might otherwise have. But more

importantly, look at the ingredients and the macronutrient breakdown. For

the cranberry, apricot and almond bar, the ingredients are " Organic

Apricots, Organic Dates, Organic Roasted Almonds, Organic Cranberries,

Organic Apple Juice Concentrate " . Even without the apple juice

concentrate, that's a lot of sugar, and in fact each bar only has 6g of

fat, of which only 0.5g is saturated, and only 3g of protein, but 29g of

carbs, including 18g of sugar. That's just not good news.

>I think I'm gonna try eating more fat too. Does anyone have a list of foods

>high in healthy fats?

Raw organic grass-fed dairy, particularly cream! Fatty cuts of grass-fed

ruminant meat, particularly lamb! Pastured pork from heirloom breeds of

pigs! Sausage made from fatty pastured pork! Eggs from pastured chickens!

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On 8/26/05, Christie <christiekeith@...> wrote:

> Estrogenic substances in our environment, such as certain pesticides and

> things like dioxin,

The good news about dioxin is that it is rapidly disappearing from the

planet, and we aren't significantly exposed to it anymore.

Do you have any references you could supply me with that make a

compelling argument for an endocrine-disrupting effect of dioxin in

humans at doses that one could reasonably encounter in the real world?

I'm writing an article for the next Wise Traditions on Dioxin, and I

don't want to miss any important parts of the story.

Chris

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Lana Gibbons wrote:

> Heidi,

>

> Thanks for the suggestion. I will have to try it. Can you get leavened

> bread

> with non-gluten containing grains? Where would I find it? Got any recipes

> that go in a bread machine?

See my writup in the Files section, " White bread " . There are tons of

recipes on the

Internet though, including some that go on bread machines. The Whitte Bread

recipe isn't high in nutrients at all, but it isn't irritating to most

people either.

> . " Several researchers have reported

> that a diet of lean meat leads to nausea in three days, symptoms of

> starvation and ketosis in 7-10 days, severe debilitation in 12 days and

> possibly death in a few weeks. "

> http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/macronutrientland.html

>

> I think I'm gonna try eating more fat too. Does anyone have a list of

> foods

> high in healthy fats?

Any good grassfed meat, IMO. All the meat I get has enough fat in it

that it's just

not possible to get " rabbit starvation " from it. I did food charting for

awhile and it's

darn hard to be REALLY low fat, at least it was for me! Some people say

pork fat is the best assimilated though, and have good results even from

the commercial stuff (like bacon). Salmon is one of my favorites ... I

get the

skin! Plus I fry quite a bit of my food, in coconut oil.

But yeah, eating just lean protein can cause major kidney damage.

There were some deaths from that in the days of the " liquid protein "

diet craze.

>

> My stools throughout life have been too hard and too slow. I go through

> bouts of IBD when my endometriosis flares up though. There was a

> period of

> time where things were coming out much like they went in so I started

> up on

> an Enzyme and Probiotic supplimentation. That helped a bit, and

> keeping my

> Potassium and fiber intakes high seems to have resolved most of my bowel

> issues. I'm more normal than I've ever been.

IBD and endometriosis too? Sheesh. Constipation and IBD are fairly typical

food intolerance symptoms too ... I'm not sure why the constipation

is, maybe because if the gut can't absorb nutrients right it slows down

to try to absorb more? Adding more nutrients and fiber is a good

help, but I'd guess there is a root cause somewhere ...

-- Heidi

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>> Do you have any references you could supply me with that make a

compelling argument for an endocrine-disrupting effect of dioxin in

humans at doses that one could reasonably encounter in the real world?

<<

I am delighted to hear that dioxin levels are dropping so dramatically. I had no

idea. My question for you would be, then ... are they dropping in our bodies, or

just in the environment? In other words, does decreased exposure mean reduced

levels in people who were previously exposed at higher levels?

Christie

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Holistically Raising Our Dogs Since 1986

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http://www.doggedblog.com/

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On 8/26/05, Heidi <heidis@...> wrote:

>

>

> IBD and endometriosis too? Sheesh. Constipation and IBD are fairly typical

> food intolerance symptoms too ... I'm not sure why the constipation

> is, maybe because if the gut can't absorb nutrients right it slows down

> to try to absorb more? Adding more nutrients and fiber is a good

> help, but I'd guess there is a root cause somewhere ...

>

> -- Heidi

>

> Not only rabbit starvation can give nausea. My nausea with hunger went

> away in first week of going gluten free. IBD and constipation too. Was never

> the loose stool typical. That was just from SAD with too many carbs. Lana,

> do you supplement either calcium or magnesium the other two electrolytes?

> The only salt I can get by eating without retaining water for the last 30

> years is meat and butter. This article might help.

.The Four Low Electrolytes Pattern

http://www.drlwilson.com/Articles/four%20lows.htm

Wanita

[Guest guest]

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On 8/26/05, Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

>

> Lana-

>

> >I have been eating too much sodium my whole life, with salt intakes in

> >excess of 7000mg/daily. The day I overdosed on salt I ate 5 times the

> >maximum reccomended intake.

>

> What happened when you ate that much?

My joints puffed up so large I could not move them, I puked all day long. I

could not walk, I was dizzy and I had a horrible shortness of breath. All I

wanted to do was go back to bed. Very similar to what I get now but not

quite.

I had my period for 5 years prior to the incident and had my first cycle

with pain just after my excess on salt. The pain continued to worsen for 7

years until I was debilitated for 3.5 weeks out of the month due to symptoms

which all started around my period and slowly lasted longer and started

sooner. The pain almost all went away after I recently cut back on sodium

and increased my potassium. I was pissed it was that simple. I wasted so

much money on doctors of all types trying to find out what was wrong with me

and not a damn one said a peep about nutrition (except my acupuncturist). I

had the endometriomas removed 3-4 cycles after I decreased my sodium and the

remaining pain is gone. Well, I do get an occasional shooter, but it is

nothing compared to what it was.

Now I am just combating the occasional nausea and chest pain/shortness of

breath and a few other stray symptoms that pop up here and there...

Like itchiness, I have a migrating itch or three. Subcutaneous, almost hivey

but then goes away and kind of burns for a while. No visible rash. It drives

me crazy. I haven't noticed a nutrient associated with it yet.

>For all I know I made myself allergic to

> >sodium.

>

> Actually, that's not physiologically possible. Allergies can only develop

> to proteins, but maybe more to the point, sodium is necessary for

> physiological function. You literally cannot live without sodium.

I'm glad its impossible to be allergic to it. I was really starting to thing

that with the itching I was.

>What it comes down to is that too much sodium makes me sick. If I

> >don't eat enough potassium to cover all the sodium I eat in a day the

> >next day I wake up nauseous, feeling tainted and tired. If I continue

> >eating too much sodium and not enough potassium neurological symptoms

> >set in and I can barely walk across my small house much less go to

> >work.

>

> This sounds like the result of a derangement of your metabolism, but

> without a lot more information it's hard to make any detailed conjectures.

Know any good resources for figuring out which derangement it is? I'm

looking forward to getting rid of it!

Sincerely,

Lana M. Gibbons

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Lana-

>I'm glad its impossible to be allergic to it. I was really starting to thing

>that with the itching I was.

I suppose it's not impossible that you've had reactions to some contaminant

in salt -- something in the anti-caking stuff added to it, for

example. And there are some physiological reactions which resemble

allergies even if they're not. But sodium is literally essential for life,

so I don't see how you could possibly develop anything like an allergy to

sodium itself.

>Know any good resources for figuring out which derangement it is? I'm

>looking forward to getting rid of it!

Well, read a lot. Read NT, read NAPD, read Wise Traditions, read lots of

stuff like that. And post about your problems to this list in as much

detail as you're willing to reveal, and people will try to help you

out. Between that and some experimentation, you can probably make some

major improvements to your health.

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[Guest guest]

>

>

>

> My joints puffed up so large I could not move them, I puked all day

> long. I

> could not walk, I was dizzy and I had a horrible shortness of breath.

> All I

> wanted to do was go back to bed. Very similar to what I get now but not

> quite.

>

Y'know, what you had to say about itchiness was a lot like what I got

from *iodine*. I had

to switch salt sources because whenever I ate " commercial " salt I'd get

skin itchiness, which

I later discovered to be a common side effect from IgA deposits (which

get activated somehow by iodine). " Kosher salt " did not have the same

effect.

That said I basically agree about potassium/sodium imbalance. Farmers

always give

their animals as much salt as they want, but the salt licks are not pure

sodium salt, they are a mix of stuff (and herbivores eat a lot of vegies

:-).

Electrolytes are something each individual

needs to balance: I have always needed MORE salt than most people

though lately I'm ok with less. I think when my gut was more messed

up I just excreted too much sodium. I get plenty of potassium though.

-- Heidi