Re: NN, Brain fog, and detox

[Guest guest]

Sol-

>Most cleanses/detox programs want you in a very alkaline raw

>food/juice space and that doesn't feel like my path.

Yeah, I really recommend that you avoid it.

If you have serious heavy metal problems, I don't know how much a diet-only

NN-type approach will help by itself. Certainly it will nourish your body

and help support your organs, but the ideal is to get rid of undesirable

metals, not just deal with their presence more easily.

Intravenous EDTA chelation can be very helpful for a wide variety of

problems, but don't be taken in by those who promote oral EDTA. With IV

EDTA, you get a fast peak in your blood and then soon thereafter it's

gone. It's analogous to a quick vacuuming. With oral supplementation,

you're taking it sort of around the clock and absorbing very little -- all

you really accomplish is to interfere with mineral absorption, except that

it apparently _enhances_ lead uptake!

However, I don't think EDTA is very effective for mercury. For that, oral

DMSA is supposed to be better. It also handles lead and arsenic.

If you try any chelation, make sure to take supplemental minerals to make

up for what you lose from the treatment. DMSA is taken on an empty

stomach, ideally as far apart from meals as possible. You can also help

its action with R-ALA (R alpha lipoic acid) which mobilizes mercury, and

chlorella, if your gut tolerates it. Cilantro is also supposed to be helpful.

Calcium D-Glucarate might also be worth considering, as it provides the raw

material for the body's glucuronidation detox pathway. Kombucha is an

alternate source of similar raw materials, but frankly I'd rather avoid the

sugar.

And of course anything that helps your liver is worthwhile. Choline,

kutkins, milk thistle, etc.

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[Guest guest]

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>Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 2:55 PM

>I think the clean diet is putting my body into detox mode and that

>toxins, perhaps heavy metals, are being stirred around in my brain and

>not being eliminated. I founded and ran the adult-metal-chelation

> group for several years and have done quite a bit of oral

>chelation so I know something about heavy metals being stirred up. I

>wonder if there are natural chelators in a NN diet.

I don't know, but our bodies produce an endogenous metal chelator called

" metallothionine " and perhaps the NN diet promotes its production?

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Suze-

>I don't know, but our bodies produce an endogenous metal chelator called

> " metallothionine " and perhaps the NN diet promotes its production?

IIRC cysteine is a gating factor in metallothionein production, for

whatever that's worth.

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[Guest guest]

Hi,

I detoxed heavy metals with cilantro. Took about 6 months. Nasty

trip. If you are familiar with the symptoms of metal poisoning, then

you know.

You could simply add some fresh cilantro to your diet. For a serious

detox regimemine with cilantro, you would have to take a teaspoon

every four hours for 4-5 days, then stop for a week and start again

until done, a few months down the road.

To take more than a teaspoon is dangerous if you are as toxic with

mercury as I was. On CureZone and elsewhere I see people

recommending that people eat 1/4 CUP of cilantro - that's crazy and

really, really scarey to me.

Side effects of chelation include irritability, depression,

headache, shakes and palsies and in my case, hallucinations. I was

awake for days and a bit crazy as well as obsessive and compulsive.

One thing that mercury does is that it makes us tense our muscles

all the time and that complicates things like shoulder and neck

pain. When toxic, you can't relax.

When I was finished, I no longer needed antidepressants or muscle

relaxers.

*S*

--- In , " Sol L " <s_lederman@y...>

wrote:

> Hi,

>

> I think I know what my brain fog and problems concentrating is

about.

> For the last couple of months I've been doing NN pretty seriously.

> It's been great in many ways - weight loss, eczema largely cleared

up,

> very little hunger, and eating much less than before are benefits

that

> come to mind.

>

> I think the clean diet is putting my body into detox mode and that

> toxins, perhaps heavy metals, are being stirred around in my brain

and

> not being eliminated. I founded and ran the adult-metal-chelation

> group for several years and have done quite a bit of oral

> chelation so I know something about heavy metals being stirred up.

I

> wonder if there are natural chelators in a NN diet. I've done

periods

> of including and excluding fermented foods. There's not enough of a

> difference so I don't think fermented foods are affecting me

adversely.

>

> I noticed that when I started taking a liver detox supplement

> yesterday that although I stopped feeling liver pain the brain fog

got

> a bit worse.

>

> I know enough that if I'm going to detox (or chelate some more)

that I

> need to have really good elimination. I have one good poop a day

but

> could use more if I'm detoxing. I tried taking some hemp powder

> yesterday for the fiber and I found it constipated me. I took

enough

> to get 7 grams of fiber, which doesn't seem like a whole lot to me.

> I've had digestive problems in the past so I'm not so keen on the

> potentially rough action of fiber. I just realized that a liquid

> oxygen supplement - Colosan or Homozon - might be better to keep

> things moving.

>

> I have had the experience in the past that things that increase

> circulation in my brain (like Gingko, especially with cayenne)

cause

> brain fog. This confirms my belief that " things " get stirred up

when

> circulation is increased.

>

> A couple of questions:

>

> 1. Does anyone have experience with detoxing heavy metals in the

> context of a NN diet?

>

> 2. Does anyone have experience with cleansing in the context of a

NN diet?

>

> Most cleanses/detox programs want you in a very alkaline raw

> food/juice space and that doesn't feel like my path.

>

> Comments? Suggestions?

>

> Thanks,

> Sol

[Guest guest]

Sue,

I'm glad the cilantro worked so well for you and I hope you didn't

have any mercury (silver fillings) in your mouth when you chelated.

I think what's going on for me is that my liver, because of the NN

diet, is able to dump some of the toxic metals that I believe got

stuck there when I did serious high-doses of ALA to chelate. After

chelating for a while lots of my neurological symptoms improved but I

gained a bunch of weight. That makes me think that there might have

been a digestion problem perhaps involving the liver from chelating

too quickly. I did a bunch of liver flushes which helped - my poop is

now always dark green/brown where it used to often be light brown/tan.

This makes me believe that the liver flushing greatly improved my bile

flow. But, after a bunch of liver flushes my gall bladder started to

hurt. So, I started on the NN diet working with an NN-knowledgable

nutritionist who is supporting me to nourish my body rather than

cleansing it right now. It turns out that my body seems to be doing both!

If my guess is right then there are some heavy metals being released

from the liver, being stirred up, and being redistributed in my body.

I've started on Colosan (powdered oxygen) to keep my bowels moving. I

find the powdered oxygen products much more gentle on my body than

fiber products. We'll see.

Sol

> Hi,

> I detoxed heavy metals with cilantro. Took about 6 months. Nasty

> trip. If you are familiar with the symptoms of metal poisoning, then

> you know.

> You could simply add some fresh cilantro to your diet. For a serious

> detox regimemine with cilantro, you would have to take a teaspoon

> every four hours for 4-5 days, then stop for a week and start again

> until done, a few months down the road.

> To take more than a teaspoon is dangerous if you are as toxic with

> mercury as I was. On CureZone and elsewhere I see people

> recommending that people eat 1/4 CUP of cilantro - that's crazy and

> really, really scarey to me.

> Side effects of chelation include irritability, depression,

> headache, shakes and palsies and in my case, hallucinations. I was

> awake for days and a bit crazy as well as obsessive and compulsive.

> One thing that mercury does is that it makes us tense our muscles

> all the time and that complicates things like shoulder and neck

> pain. When toxic, you can't relax.

> When I was finished, I no longer needed antidepressants or muscle

> relaxers.

> *S*

>

>

[Guest guest]

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>Can you use dry coriander (cilantro) as I am not

>partial to the smell of the fresh coriander (reminds

>me of dead sponges).

I don't know if anyone's answered this, but while I don't know the answer,

it's quite possible that you can't, because coriander is the dried seed and

cilantro is the fresh leaf.

-

[Guest guest]

> I hate the taste of cilantro myself and would never have been able

> to stomach eating it. To me it is worse than biting a bar of soap.

> *S*

me too Sue. Are you by any chance a supertaster?

Connie

[Guest guest]

-

>We call Coriander " Coriander " for both dried and fresh

>in Australia.

So the leaf and the seed are called the same thing? Interesting!

-

[Guest guest]

> > I hate the taste of cilantro myself and would never have been able

> > to stomach eating it. To me it is worse than biting a bar of soap.

> > *S*

>

> me too Sue. Are you by any chance a supertaster?

>

> Connie

What's a supertaster?

*S*

[Guest guest]

Supertasters have more taste buds and can taste more of bitter

compounds than other people.

google Supertaster and the first couple of links are good, specially

the BBC one.

I stumbled across it after my chef boyfriend said for the hundredth

time, that I have the tastes of a 10 year old. I like things not

highly spiced and not all mixed together. So then I thought - so

many other food preference things turn out to be physical - maybe

there's a physical reason for this too.

I've been out with friends who are really enjoying one of those wild

green ( " weeds " ) salads and when I have just a few bites, they say,

aren't you going to finish it, and I say, it's unbearably bitter,

and they say, I can't taste that at all!

The supertaster site even says it's a challege for us to have enough

vegetables because so many of them taste bad unless they are

prepared " just so. "

Connie

> > > I hate the taste of cilantro myself and would never have been

able

> > > to stomach eating it. To me it is worse than biting a bar of

soap.

> > > *S*

> >

> > me too Sue. Are you by any chance a supertaster?

> >

> > Connie

>

> What's a supertaster?

> *S*

[Guest guest]

I learn so much on this list. Thank you!

I match your description too. I have always been a " plain cook " and

think of the food I make as " farm food " . Hearty, simple and good.

Never got into spices much. I do love Mexican food but I always have

them leave the cilantro.

I thought it was weird because cilantro is exactly what my body

needed when I was toxic with metals.

*S*

> > > > I hate the taste of cilantro myself and would never have

been

> able

> > > > to stomach eating it. To me it is worse than biting a bar of

> soap.

> > > > *S*

> > >

> > > me too Sue. Are you by any chance a supertaster?

> > >

> > > Connie

> >

> > What's a supertaster?

> > *S*