Re: Alzheimer's Could Be Diabetes-like Illness, Study Suggests

[Guest guest]

,

Excellent article! Wonder if schizophrenia would be another type of brain

diabetes as it's considered brain insulin resistance? Vaguely remember

schizophrenia article implicating it as a possible survival mechanism to

feast-famine in frigid climate, northern latitudes. Alzheimer's and

schizophrenia could be initiated by high carbohydrate diet. Going out on a

limb with hypertension and inflammation resulting from processed sugar and

plant oil vs. animal sources of protein. Brain weight and protein loss in

IGF treated rat experiment shows 's Biochemical Individuality

of organs. High choline is needed by protein metabolic types, as well.

Wanita

> We're able to show that insulin impairment happens early in the

> disease, " de la Monte said. " We're able to show it's linked to major

> neurotransmitters responsible for cognition. We're able to show it's

> linked to poor energy metabolism, and it's linked to abnormalities

> that contribute to the tangles characteristic of advanced Alzheimer's

> disease. This work ties several concepts together and demonstrates

> that Alzheimer's disease is quite possibly a Type 3 diabetes, " she said.

>

>

>

http://www.forbes.com/lifestyle/health/feeds/hscout/2005/11/30/hscout529284.html

[Guest guest]

Wanita, over the years at Radiant Recovery, I have seen two people

volunteer the info that they were diagnosed with schizophrenia and

the symptoms went away after " doing the food " (which includes no

sugar or refined flour and lots of fish oil). Which makes me wonder,

are there more?

Connie

>

> ,

>

> Excellent article! Wonder if schizophrenia would be another type

of brain

> diabetes as it's considered brain insulin resistance? Vaguely

remember

> schizophrenia article implicating it as a possible survival

mechanism to

> feast-famine in frigid climate, northern latitudes. Alzheimer's

and

> schizophrenia could be initiated by high carbohydrate diet. Going

out on a

> limb with hypertension and inflammation resulting from processed

sugar and

> plant oil vs. animal sources of protein. Brain weight and protein

loss in

> IGF treated rat experiment shows 's Biochemical

Individuality

> of organs. High choline is needed by protein metabolic types, as

well.

>

> Wanita

>

> > We're able to show that insulin impairment happens early in the

> > disease, " de la Monte said. " We're able to show it's linked to

major

> > neurotransmitters responsible for cognition. We're able to show

it's

> > linked to poor energy metabolism, and it's linked to

abnormalities

> > that contribute to the tangles characteristic of advanced

Alzheimer's

> > disease. This work ties several concepts together and

demonstrates

> > that Alzheimer's disease is quite possibly a Type 3 diabetes, "

she said.

> >

> >

> >

http://www.forbes.com/lifestyle/health/feeds/hscout/2005/11/30/hscout

529284.html

>

[Guest guest]

More schizophrenics that cured themself, Connie? Barry Sears has found high

doses of fish oil not effective with Alzheimer's. So, is Alzheimer's more

like type 1 diabetes irreversible nature and schizophrenia type 2 diabetes

reversibilty? Could be more than insulin reduction with grain elimination.

Wouldn't be surprised if phytates disrupt acetylcholine process too.

Wanita

> Wanita, over the years at Radiant Recovery, I have seen two people

> volunteer the info that they were diagnosed with schizophrenia and

> the symptoms went away after " doing the food " (which includes no

> sugar or refined flour and lots of fish oil). Which makes me wonder,

> are there more?

>

> Connie

>

>

>>

>> ,

>>

>> Excellent article! Wonder if schizophrenia would be another type

> of brain

>> diabetes as it's considered brain insulin resistance? Vaguely

> remember

>> schizophrenia article implicating it as a possible survival

> mechanism to

>> feast-famine in frigid climate, northern latitudes. Alzheimer's

> and

>> schizophrenia could be initiated by high carbohydrate diet. Going

> out on a

>> limb with hypertension and inflammation resulting from processed

> sugar and

>> plant oil vs. animal sources of protein. Brain weight and protein

> loss in

>> IGF treated rat experiment shows 's Biochemical

> Individuality

>> of organs. High choline is needed by protein metabolic types, as

> well.

>>

>> Wanita

>>

>> > We're able to show that insulin impairment happens early in the

>> > disease, " de la Monte said. " We're able to show it's linked to

> major

>> > neurotransmitters responsible for cognition. We're able to show

> it's

>> > linked to poor energy metabolism, and it's linked to

> abnormalities

>> > that contribute to the tangles characteristic of advanced

> Alzheimer's

>> > disease. This work ties several concepts together and

> demonstrates

>> > that Alzheimer's disease is quite possibly a Type 3 diabetes, "

> she said.

>> >

>> >

>> >

> http://www.forbes.com/lifestyle/health/feeds/hscout/2005/11/30/hscout

> 529284.html

>>

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[Guest guest]

Don't know any more than that, Wanita. Just that the people said

that diet changes removed the symptoms of schizophrenia (and they

had been diagnosed and they did quit the meds). Actually I'm not

even speculating about true causes, LOL, schizo intimidates me...

but that's what they said.

If you read " The Nun's Study " about Altzheimer's with an eye to who

would have been sensitive to crappy food, it's illuminating. ha.

Connie

> >>

> >> ,

> >>

> >> Excellent article! Wonder if schizophrenia would be another type

> > of brain

> >> diabetes as it's considered brain insulin resistance? Vaguely

> > remember

> >> schizophrenia article implicating it as a possible survival

> > mechanism to

> >> feast-famine in frigid climate, northern latitudes. Alzheimer's

> > and

> >> schizophrenia could be initiated by high carbohydrate diet.

Going

> > out on a

> >> limb with hypertension and inflammation resulting from processed

> > sugar and

> >> plant oil vs. animal sources of protein. Brain weight and

protein

> > loss in

> >> IGF treated rat experiment shows 's Biochemical

> > Individuality

> >> of organs. High choline is needed by protein metabolic types, as

> > well.

> >>

> >> Wanita

> >>

> >> > We're able to show that insulin impairment happens early in

the

> >> > disease, " de la Monte said. " We're able to show it's linked to

> > major

> >> > neurotransmitters responsible for cognition. We're able to

show

> > it's

> >> > linked to poor energy metabolism, and it's linked to

> > abnormalities

> >> > that contribute to the tangles characteristic of advanced

> > Alzheimer's

> >> > disease. This work ties several concepts together and

> > demonstrates

> >> > that Alzheimer's disease is quite possibly a Type 3 diabetes, "

> > she said.

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >

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Wanita, Connie.

I've been doing research into schizophrenia lately - looks like there's some

viral causes including Type 2 Herpes as well as Borna Disease Virus. My

5-yo's dx has recently been changed from Autism to Psychotic-NOS. If he

were older, he'd be dx'd " schizophrenia " . s-Hopkins has some

interesting research (don't I sound mellow? " interesting " ) linking herpes

and the measles vaccine. His birth-mother had herpes which can go through

the placenta barrier into the baby. Together, the herpes and measles, both

" live " viruses cause the immune system to respond in ways that are

destructive which includes damaged brain neurology as well as intestinal

damage. We have a team of doctors studying this and trying to get my son

into a study at JH. We'll see. I feel like I'm trying to ride two horses

with one arse, if you know what I mean. I'm getting more entrenched in a

system I basically hate, while trying to study nutritional/natural methods.

In the meantime, we're trying meds which I really, really, really hate.

Don't know what else to do. It's " compelling " enough that we felt we must

go this route. I've done everything I know to do with diet. You can only

watch a child suffer for so long while he sees and hears things that aren't

there. I have some of my research posted to my blog if you want to look at

the viral aspect: http://www.ericsons.net/?c=ViralResearch If you run

across other research/information that you think might help, I'd be

grateful. The carbohydrate theory has intrigued me for awhile. His birth

mother and grandmother only provided him with sugar water and formula for

the first 11 months of life. He had no pincher activity and was absolutely

clueless how to chew/swallow real food. Cognitively, he's several years

ahead of his age. I haven't a clue, even with high nutrient protocols that

a Naturopath is recommending, if we can turn him around though. Bottom

line, after what I've read, I'm leaning towards the immune system being the

entity that kicks off schizophrenia as well as depression, bi-polar, ADD,

ADHD, ad nauseum...

-Sharon, NH

Deut 11:14 He will put grass in the fields for your cattle, and you will

have plenty to eat.

Re: Alzheimer's Could Be Diabetes-like Illness, Study Suggests

More schizophrenics that cured themself, Connie? Barry Sears has found high

doses of fish oil not effective with Alzheimer's. So, is Alzheimer's more

like type 1 diabetes irreversible nature and schizophrenia type 2 diabetes

reversibilty? Could be more than insulin reduction with grain elimination.

Wouldn't be surprised if phytates disrupt acetylcholine process too.

Wanita

> Wanita, over the years at Radiant Recovery, I have seen two people

> volunteer the info that they were diagnosed with schizophrenia and

> the symptoms went away after " doing the food " (which includes no

> sugar or refined flour and lots of fish oil). Which makes me wonder,

> are there more?

>

> Connie

>

_____

[Guest guest]

Sharon, my heartfelt sympathies. This is exactly why I shut my mouth

when it comes to these brain things... so much going on and my

(narrow) interest is just, let food be your medicine. But viral is a

whole other story. And I would feel just like you, working so

closely with JH docs who have the allopathic mindset.

There are some interesting theories in Pert's " Molecules of

Emotion " about the immune system and neuro function. As I recall,

the author and her research partners felt the same way as you, that

it's the hooking up of the immune system that is a huge player.

Connie

>a

> Wanita, Connie.

>

> I've been doing research into schizophrenia lately - looks like

there's some

> viral causes including Type 2 Herpes as well as Borna Disease

Virus. My

> 5-yo's dx has recently been changed from Autism to Psychotic-NOS.

If he

> were older, he'd be dx'd " schizophrenia " . s-Hopkins has some

> interesting research (don't I sound mellow? " interesting " ) linking

herpes

> and the measles vaccine. His birth-mother had herpes which can go

through

> the placenta barrier into the baby. Together, the herpes and

measles, both

> " live " viruses cause the immune system to respond in ways that are

> destructive which includes damaged brain neurology as well as

intestinal

> damage. We have a team of doctors studying this and trying to get

[Guest guest]

Sharon,

Don't doubt there's a viral trigger. 17 years ago when I had my allopathic

mystery and psychologic undiagnosed illness with anxiety, depression, mania.

I had at the same time the only cold sore on my lip I've ever had. It's been

an uphill battle since. Only over the last few years with refined carb,

gluten, casein elimination, metabolic typing protein diet and fish oil more

recently have I felt like I'm near the summit.

Pfeiffer Treatment Center info for your little man

http://www.nutrition4health.org/NOHAnews/NNSp00BiochemIndivNutrit.htm

Wanita

> Wanita, Connie.

>

> I've been doing research into schizophrenia lately - looks like there's

> some

> viral causes including Type 2 Herpes as well as Borna Disease Virus. My

> 5-yo's dx has recently been changed from Autism to Psychotic-NOS. If he

> were older, he'd be dx'd " schizophrenia " . s-Hopkins has some

> interesting research (don't I sound mellow? " interesting " ) linking herpes

> and the measles vaccine. His birth-mother had herpes which can go through

> the placenta barrier into the baby. Together, the herpes and measles,

> both

> " live " viruses cause the immune system to respond in ways that are

> destructive which includes damaged brain neurology as well as intestinal

> damage. We have a team of doctors studying this and trying to get my son

> into a study at JH. We'll see. I feel like I'm trying to ride two horses

> with one arse, if you know what I mean. I'm getting more entrenched in a

> system I basically hate, while trying to study nutritional/natural

> methods.

> In the meantime, we're trying meds which I really, really, really hate.

> Don't know what else to do. It's " compelling " enough that we felt we must

> go this route. I've done everything I know to do with diet. You can only

> watch a child suffer for so long while he sees and hears things that

> aren't

> there. I have some of my research posted to my blog if you want to look

> at

> the viral aspect: http://www.ericsons.net/?c=ViralResearch If you run

> across other research/information that you think might help, I'd be

> grateful. The carbohydrate theory has intrigued me for awhile. His birth

> mother and grandmother only provided him with sugar water and formula for

> the first 11 months of life. He had no pincher activity and was

> absolutely

> clueless how to chew/swallow real food. Cognitively, he's several years

> ahead of his age. I haven't a clue, even with high nutrient protocols

> that

> a Naturopath is recommending, if we can turn him around though. Bottom

> line, after what I've read, I'm leaning towards the immune system being

> the

> entity that kicks off schizophrenia as well as depression, bi-polar, ADD,

> ADHD, ad nauseum...

>

>

>

> -Sharon, NH

> Deut 11:14 He will put grass in the fields for your cattle, and you will

> have plenty to eat.

>

>

>

> Re: Alzheimer's Could Be Diabetes-like Illness, Study

> Suggests

>

>

>

> More schizophrenics that cured themself, Connie? Barry Sears has found

> high

> doses of fish oil not effective with Alzheimer's. So, is Alzheimer's more

> like type 1 diabetes irreversible nature and schizophrenia type 2 diabetes

> reversibilty? Could be more than insulin reduction with grain elimination.

> Wouldn't be surprised if phytates disrupt acetylcholine process too.

>

> Wanita

>

>> Wanita, over the years at Radiant Recovery, I have seen two people

>> volunteer the info that they were diagnosed with schizophrenia and

>> the symptoms went away after " doing the food " (which includes no

>> sugar or refined flour and lots of fish oil). Which makes me wonder,

>> are there more?

>>

>> Connie

>>

>

>

>

> _____

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Connie. Don't keep your mouth shut. Between all of us bouncing

ideas and research, you never know who it will benefit or bless. Food as

medicine is a good approach. I just wish it could do more for my son right

now but it certainly isn't hurting, either. When I first switched over to

NT, some of his visual delusions complete ceased (fire burning up the wall,

" sparkly fairy dust " pouring down from the ceiling, the walls turning into

waterfalls, etc.). Thanks for the book recommendation - sounds like it will

be beneficial in what has become my never-ending research.

Best regards,

Sharon

-Sharon, NH

Deut 11:14 He will put grass in the fields for your cattle, and you will

have plenty to eat.

Re: Alzheimer's Could Be Diabetes-like Illness, Study Suggests

Sharon, my heartfelt sympathies. This is exactly why I shut my mouth

when it comes to these brain things... so much going on and my

(narrow) interest is just, let food be your medicine. But viral is a

whole other story. And I would feel just like you, working so

closely with JH docs who have the allopathic mindset.

There are some interesting theories in Pert's " Molecules of

Emotion " about the immune system and neuro function. As I recall,

the author and her research partners felt the same way as you, that

it's the hooking up of the immune system that is a huge player.

Connie

[Guest guest]

Connie-

>Don't know any more than that, Wanita. Just that the people said

>that diet changes removed the symptoms of schizophrenia (and they

>had been diagnosed and they did quit the meds). Actually I'm not

>even speculating about true causes, LOL, schizo intimidates me...

>but that's what they said.

I once read something about a ketogenic diet being successfully used

to treat schizophrenia, but the only thing I can find now is a

reference to a pilot study without even the text of its abstract.

-

[Guest guest]

On 12/4/05, Wanita Sears <wanita.sears@...> wrote:

> More schizophrenics that cured themself, Connie? Barry Sears has found high

> doses of fish oil not effective with Alzheimer's. So, is Alzheimer's more

> like type 1 diabetes irreversible nature and schizophrenia type 2 diabetes

> reversibilty? Could be more than insulin reduction with grain elimination.

> Wouldn't be surprised if phytates disrupt acetylcholine process too.

Just curious: was this some type of high-EPA low-DHA formulation, or

was this a balance of EPA and DHA? Sears is big on EPA, but it is

DHA, not EPA, that would expectedly help with Alzheimer's.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

On 12/4/05, Wanita Sears <wanita.sears@...> wrote:

> More schizophrenics that cured themself, Connie? Barry Sears has found high

> doses of fish oil not effective with Alzheimer's. So, is Alzheimer's more

> like type 1 diabetes irreversible nature and schizophrenia type 2 diabetes

> reversibilty? Could be more than insulin reduction with grain elimination.

> Wouldn't be surprised if phytates disrupt acetylcholine process too.

Oh and from what I remember Alzheimer's resembles type 2, not type 1,

in the sense that it is insulin resistance, not insulin insufficiency.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

On 1/5/06, Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

> I once read something about a ketogenic diet being successfully used

> to treat schizophrenia, but the only thing I can find now is a

> reference to a pilot study without even the text of its abstract.

I talk about insulin resistance and possible benefits of ketogenic

diet in my Alzheimer's article:

http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/Cause-Of-Alzheimers.html

It's part two of this article:

http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/Cholesterol-Alzheimers.html

I didn't see anything about ketogenic being used successfully, but

there is a review on ketones cited in this article, Ketones:

Metabolism's Ugly Duckling? in which they talk about successful use

for seizures and experimental evidence that ketones *probably* would

be clinically successful with Alzheimer's, but it wasn't tried yet at

that time.

Chris

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A Case For Vegetarianism?

Find Out the Truth:

http://www.westonaprice.org/envtoxins/dioxins.html

[Guest guest]

Chris-

Is there particular relevance to schizophrenia here? I don't mean to

knock your article or the utility of ketogenic and low-carb diets for

Alzheimers and seizure-related diseases, but schizophrenia isn't

necessarily the same thing.

>http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/Cholesterol-Alzheimers.html

>

>I didn't see anything about ketogenic being used successfully, but

>there is a review on ketones cited in this article, Ketones:

>Metabolism's Ugly Duckling? in which they talk about successful use

>for seizures and experimental evidence that ketones *probably* would

>be clinically successful with Alzheimer's, but it wasn't tried yet at

>that time.

-

[Guest guest]

On 1/5/06, Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

> Chris-

>

> Is there particular relevance to schizophrenia here? I don't mean to

> knock your article or the utility of ketogenic and low-carb diets for

> Alzheimers and seizure-related diseases, but schizophrenia isn't

> necessarily the same thing.

Oh, I must have misread; I thought you were talking about Alzheimer's.

Forget it then, I don't know anything about that.

Chris

--

Dioxins in Animal Foods:

A Case For Vegetarianism?

Find Out the Truth:

http://www.westonaprice.org/envtoxins/dioxins.html