Re: Candida interferes with carbohydrate digestion - Chris

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On 8/25/05, Suze Fisher <s.fisher22@...> wrote:

>

>

> You said you have trouble digesting carbs in general. I just wanted to let

> you know that candida messes up carb digestion, in case you weren't already

> aware of it. Do you happen to know if you have Candida?

No. How would I know? Get a stool test?

> I wonder how many folks doing the SCD are carb-intolerant due to candida?

> And if they're aware that this might be the cause of their intolerance? And

> are treating it? It's been a while since I read Gottschall's book so I

> don't

> recall if she addresses this.

Well the premise of the SCD is that digestive problems are due to

dysbiosis, so the SCD itself is supposed to be a treatment for that.

Chris

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Suze Fisher wrote:

>

>

> You said you have trouble digesting carbs in general. I just wanted to let

> you know that candida messes up carb digestion, in case you weren't

> already

> aware of it. Do you happen to know if you have Candida?

>

> I wonder how many folks doing the SCD are carb-intolerant due to candida?

> And if they're aware that this might be the cause of their

> intolerance? And

> are treating it? It's been a while since I read Gottschall's book so I

> don't

> recall if she addresses this.

>

> Suze Fisher

Giardia seems to cause disaccharide intolerance too, according to a

recent post here,

and that is rarely diagnosed.

-- Heidi

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On 8/25/05, Suze Fisher <s.fisher22@...> wrote:

> I *did* remember about the yogurt, I just didn't remember that it was

> *foundational.* It's been about 3 years since I read it so I don't remember

> all the details.

Been a long time for me too, and I don't recall it being presented

with quite as much emphasis as is suggesting, but I basically

read it and dropped it years ago, so who knows if my memory's

accurate. I do recall her stating that it was important to have some

sort of probiotic to increase the efficacy of healing.

> That's what I would imagine happened. However, I *think* her point re

> amylopectin was foundational to the foods that she prohibited or allowed on

> the diet, so it would require some readjusting of the diet I'd think if the

> new info proved just the opposite. I could be remembering the details wrong

> though (probably recalls this thread better than I do).

No, it was a side-point demonstrating the effect of starches on

digestion. It has no influence on the diet because no starch of any

kind is allowed. Only monosachardies are allowed.

> >As to her definition of CD, I think it's a little silly to criticize her

> >simply for using an older and now non-standard definition when pretty much

> >the whole point of NN-type eating is repudiating a lot of present-day

> >research and eating traditional foods.

>

> This has nothing to do with repudiating modern day research but rather has

> to do with her operating under a different definition of Celiac Disease,

> and

> claiming to be able to cure a disease which is NOT celiac disease by anyone

> else's definition. IOW, when she says her diet can " cure " celiac disease,

> virtually everyone reading it will be under the assumption that " Celiac

> disease " means the same thing to her as it does to everyone else. In that

> sense, it could potentially be dangerous for someone who doesn't understand

> she's defining it differently, and thus her " cure " is not at all for Celiac

> Disease as we all define it (except her) but rather for carbohydrate

> intolerance.

From what I remember, she recommends never going back to grains. That

said, I do think she gives the impression that one can be " healed "

from gluten intolerance and tolerate small occasional amounts or

something like that, and if I'm recalling correctly, I think that's

somewhat irresponsible since evidence seems to indicate that ever

consuming gluten could produce significant damage.

Of course, I think you could probably criticize mainstream

gluten-aware folks the same way. _DG_ says you can't ever eat gluten,

but they say that in response to the general mainstream that believes

in " desensitization. "

> I understand she's aware of candidiasis, that wasn't my question. My

> question was if she was aware that candidiasis can derrange carbohydrate

> digestion.

From what I recall, there is at least an entire chapter devoted to how

various sorts of dysbiosis inhibit digestion and absorption of

carbohydrates, and that is, I would say, the essence that penetrates

the entirety of the diet and the theory behind it.

Chris

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Steph wrote:

>One of the first things people do when starting SCD (at least on the list I'm

on) is to

go out and buy a yogurt maker - probiotics are indeed very foundational

to SCD (which said, but I just wanted to reiterate). :-)

Poor misguided souls. If they only knew that kefir has more diversity of

probiotic goodies than yoghurt, they could save themselves the cost of the

yoghurt maker and all the trouble of making 24 hour yoghurt! Kefir is easier

and better :-)

and the K9's

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On 8/28/05, Pugh <labradors@...> wrote:

> Poor misguided souls. If they only knew that kefir has more diversity of

> probiotic goodies than yoghurt, they could save themselves the cost of the

> yoghurt maker and all the trouble of making 24 hour yoghurt! Kefir is

> easier and better :-)

Yes, but there's no research on the time and precise conditions that

yield a kefir that is 100% free of lactose. It's my understanding,

from what I've gleaned, that the SCD requires the 24-hour yogurt to be

made under certain conditions that guarantee it to be free of lactose,

since the SCD does not allow more than trace disacharides.

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> -----Original Message-----

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>

>

> You said you have trouble digesting carbs in general. I just

> wanted to let you know that candida messes up carb digestion,

> in case you weren't already aware of it. Do you happen to

> know if you have Candida?

So who else thinks of that Tony Orlando song every time this topic comes up?

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On 8/29/05, Berg <bberg@...> wrote:

> So who else thinks of that Tony Orlando song every time this topic comes

> up?

Tony who?

Chris

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